Endurance athlete off season cycle

[eyedrop]

Im a skinny, fast long distance endurance runner/cyclist who has 4 or 5 cycles under my belt, all of them test only. Ive also used EQ on a few occasions... I usually run the gear with low doses in season to help with recovery and RBC. But Im considering saving my stuff for the winter and want to spend some time in the gym building strength for the next season. The goal is to stay lean, dry, and ripped and build lots of strength, but I want to gain as little weight as possible. I want to be skinny, strong, vascular, and shredded if that makes sense. Im trying to plan out my next cycle, and have a few questions:

1: Would dabbling in Tren be a good or bad idea? Ive heard it can build great strength and promote fat loss, but Im also worried about gaining too much size and weight.
2: If tren is a bad idea, what do you suggest? Maybe EQ? It made me strong and fast, but Ive heard its somewhat mild, and it takes forever to kick in...

 

[cmb5017]

Tren is a terrible idea. What's Ur stats

 

[DylanGemelli]

Im a skinny, fast long distance endurance runner/cyclist who has 4 or 5 cycles under my belt, all of them test only. Ive also used EQ on a few occasions... I usually run the gear with low doses in season to help with recovery and RBC. But Im considering saving my stuff for the winter and want to spend some time in the gym building strength for the next season. The goal is to stay lean, dry, and ripped and build lots of strength, but I want to gain as little weight as possible. I want to be skinny, strong, vascular, and shredded if that makes sense. Im trying to plan out my next cycle, and have a few questions:

1: Would dabbling in Tren be a good or bad idea? Ive heard it can build great strength and promote fat loss, but Im also worried about gaining too much size and weight.
2: If tren is a bad idea, what do you suggest? Maybe EQ? It made me strong and fast, but Ive heard its somewhat mild, and it takes forever to kick in...

skinny fat is NOT the type of body you would ever want for steroid use... no way would anyone advise that.. what are your stats? age/height/weight/body fat?

 

[eyedrop]

Age 25, 5'3", 110lbs, BF around %10, maybe less. Abs show, but not super defined or anything. Not a body builder at all, more like a short, skinny ass marathon runner who can smoke alot of guys long distance. I do alot of core work and work on stability and functional strength. I rarely touch weights... Should I just stick to my trt dose of test and spend more time with weights??

And yes, Im sure you all are going to LOL at my stats. Please understand, Im a competitive distance runner and my physique is built for it...

 

[DylanGemelli]

Age 25, 5'3", 110lbs, BF around %10, maybe less. Abs show, but not super defined or anything. Not a body builder at all, more like a short, skinny ass marathon runner who can smoke alot of guys long distance. I do alot of core work and work on stability and functional strength. I rarely touch weights... Should I just stick to my trt dose of test and spend more time with weights??

And yes, Im sure you all are going to LOL at my stats. Please understand, Im a competitive distance runner and my physique is built for it...

im not laughing at your stats at all... only an immature fuck would do that... however i will be flat out honest... no way on earth i would ever recommend steroid use to you whatsoever... 1. your size and stature 2. your sport 3. your goals It makes no sense and it will only harm you , not benefit you... Now, i have other options for you that would be very ideal.. however i have to ask...

why would you be on trt at 25 years old?

 

[eyedrop]

Im not on TRT, I just like to cycle 125mg a week of test c for 12 weeks once or twice a year. Started when I was 22... I dont really gain any weight from it, but seems to help with recovery. High volume endurance work can take a toll on test levels and raise cortisol, so I use low dose T and seems to help me recover better... And if your going to suggest GW, dont worry. Its already being used

EPO would be ideal, but its expensive, and I dont have the right equipment or doctors to monitor me.

I was just wondering what I should do off season. I usually just stay natty in the winter and do alot of easy hiking, low mileage jogging, etc... But just had a thought that aas and strength training might make me stronger for the next season...

And I appreciate you being honest and mature, you have ALWAYS been helpful Dylan....

 

[DylanGemelli]

Im not on TRT, I just like to cycle 125mg a week of test c for 12 weeks once or twice a year. Started when I was 22... I dont really gain any weight from it, but seems to help with recovery. High volume endurance work can take a toll on test levels and raise cortisol, so I use low dose T and seems to help me recover better... And if your going to suggest GW, dont worry. Its already being used

EPO would be ideal, but its expensive, and I dont have the right equipment or doctors to monitor me.

I was just wondering what I should do off season. I usually just stay natty in the winter and do alot of easy hiking, low mileage jogging, etc... But just had a thought that aas and strength training might make me stronger for the next season...

And I appreciate you being honest and mature, you have ALWAYS been helpful Dylan....

your more than welcome brother!

you have no business taking test whatsoever... your making a large mistake... you can easily control cortisol with sarms and sarms are more than ideal for your sport, goals and everything in between... if your not familiar, start by reading my articles here... https://www.isarms.com/selective-androgen-receptor-modulators

you can get everything listed at www.sarmsx.com

here is a full layout for you...



1-12 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours apart
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[RickRock]

Im a skinny, fast long distance endurance runner/cyclist who has 4 or 5 cycles under my belt, all of them test only. Ive also used EQ on a few occasions... I usually run the gear with low doses in season to help with recovery and RBC. But Im considering saving my stuff for the winter and want to spend some time in the gym building strength for the next season. The goal is to stay lean, dry, and ripped and build lots of strength, but I want to gain as little weight as possible. I want to be skinny, strong, vascular, and shredded if that makes sense. Im trying to plan out my next cycle, and have a few questions:

1: Would dabbling in Tren be a good or bad idea? Ive heard it can build great strength and promote fat loss, but Im also worried about gaining too much size and weight.
2: If tren is a bad idea, what do you suggest? Maybe EQ? It made me strong and fast, but Ive heard its somewhat mild, and it takes forever to kick in...

You want to gain as little weight as possible and want to shred up and get lean and vascular so you couldn't be further off base for what you are trying to do. Steroids aren't fat burners, and tren shouldn't even be in your vocabulary.

You are also an endurance athlete, so a sarms stack that builds endurance, shreds you, gets you vascular and burns fat makes all the sense here.

My recommendation would be this, all from www.sarmsx.com

1-12 MK2866 25mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.*
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…*
1-12 SR9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed every 2-3 hours 6 times per day)

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

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[FL1025]

200mg test and 300mg EQ are great for an endurance athlete. I used this protocol several years ago when I was logging some serious miles. I tried to increase the doses but that just increased the pumps in my calves and low back.

 

[eyedrop]

your more than welcome brother!

you have no business taking test whatsoever... your making a large mistake... you can easily control cortisol with sarms and sarms are more than ideal for your sport, goals and everything in between... if your not familiar, start by reading my articles here... https://www.isarms.com/selective-androgen-receptor-modulators

you can get everything listed at www.sarmsx.com

here is a full layout for you...



1-12 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours apart
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

Why is taking 125mg test a week a big mistake? It seems to help recovery, and 125mg EW for 12 weeks has always been a quick recovery during PCT. I use the classic clomid/nolva combo and it works fine.

I could see why sarms would be beneficial for my goals. But you would think a little test would give a boost vs. just staying natty... I always hear about guys taking 100-200mg test EW for endurance. It puts you a little above what is achievable naturally, and wont cause unwanted weight or pumps...

And also, I understand you guys are trying to sell and promote a specific brand of products. But could I get some honest opinions on buying the raw sarms powders? Ive had good results with liquids, but the raw powders might be a better value...

 

[xmann]

you get what you pay for IMO(90% of the time).

 

[JackSteel]

Steroids are absolutely NOT for you my friend. You want SARMS without a doubt. Steroids are designed for enhanced muscle growth and simple endurance and recovery is not a good enough reason to mess with your natural not one levels. Tren is the last thing you could want in any case. What you want is
MK2866 25mg a day
GW501516 20mg a day
SR9009 30mg a day

Or s4 as Rick and Dylan both recommended would also help a lot. Your goals are not anything that needs test or any steroid. Test is just going to assure that you have to eventually be on trt for life. Yes it helps recovery but you clearly don't understand the long term damage its going to do to your body.

Raw powder purchases is just asking to be scammed. Do not attempt to buy raws from eBay or Amazon or any other shady source. You will likely get a prohormone or some baby powder and lose a ton of money. SARMS need to be suspended the proper way and will not be as bioavailable if taken in powder or capsule form even it is a legitimate sarm.

Honestly for your goals you don't even need a huge stack. You can get both good endurance and recovery help for two months just from one bottle of mk2866 and with the GW you already take you have MORE than enough recovery aid for simple long distance running. No matter if your test dose is low or doing proper pct, what you are doing to your body WILL catch up to you and you'll be injecting test for the rest of your life every week eventually.

PS. You probably have more trouble recovering now because you started cycling steroids at age 22 which was very unwise. The damage has probably set in a few years ago.




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[TX TERROR]

Hey man...

Your best bet steroid wise is going to be EQ or Test. Only other one I would consider outside of that would be deca.
Tren would be a real bad idea.

Keep looking around for EPO too. Thats what I would go with.

As far as sarms go. I don't know too much about them when it comes to endurance running. I hear GW is a good option. I started using it a week ago and nothing has changed yet but hopefully something will soon.

I wouldn't bother with anything else for what you are doing.

When it comes to raw powder for sarms I don't know anything about it. Only thing I have seen powder sources deal with is GW. They don't carry that other stuff. There are probably online suppliers, but I assume they are total garbage.

 

[Iwannagofaster]

Im a skinny, fast long distance endurance runner/cyclist who has 4 or 5 cycles under my belt, all of them test only. Ive also used EQ on a few occasions... I usually run the gear with low doses in season to help with recovery and RBC. But Im considering saving my stuff for the winter and want to spend some time in the gym building strength for the next season. The goal is to stay lean, dry, and ripped and build lots of strength, but I want to gain as little weight as possible. I want to be skinny, strong, vascular, and shredded if that makes sense. Im trying to plan out my next cycle, and have a few questions:

1: Would dabbling in Tren be a good or bad idea? Ive heard it can build great strength and promote fat loss, but Im also worried about gaining too much size and weight.
2: If tren is a bad idea, what do you suggest? Maybe EQ? It made me strong and fast, but Ive heard its somewhat mild, and it takes forever to kick in...

If you are running gw and test then adding the SARMS stack that Dylan/Rick presented here would be ideal. Tren is absolutely the worst idea you could come up with. GW helps a ton with cardio problems that Tren brings but not to the level you need as a competitive endurance athlete. Tren is just not meant for someone that spends a lot of time at oxygen debt.

In 99% of the cases I would say that you are too young for test, but as cyclist that has been around the scene a while, I know that it helps at any age and a few years back was almost necessary to be competitive. Then doping controls just about eliminated the ability to run test during season. I also disagree with the notion that test is not for skinny guys. Just as many cyclist have been popped for test as they have epo. It works really fucking well for endurance athletes as long as it is a low dose. It boosts your hematocrit and helps a ton with day to day recovery.

If you really want to go good then stick with the test.......add the SARMS stack(dont be cheap and buy raws! Use SARMSX. I run them and they are amazingly good)........on really hard days run betamethasone or cortisone injections..........EPO is great if you know how to use it.

For your size in the off season, don't run steroids yet. For one thing, you are skinny and have nowhere but up to go. You don't need them. You can run SARMS and gain everything you want. If you put on too much muscle in the off season then it will take too long to get it off when racing starts. Grow sensibly. Not erratically. Steroids will blow you up in a bad way. You will get ripped and gain a good amount of muscle with the SARMS.



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[DylanGemelli]

If you are running gw and test then adding the SARMS stack that Dylan/Rick presented here would be ideal. Tren is absolutely the worst idea you could come up with. GW helps a ton with cardio problems that Tren brings but not to the level you need as a competitive endurance athlete. Tren is just not meant for someone that spends a lot of time at oxygen debt.

In 99% of the cases I would say that you are too young for test, but as cyclist that has been around the scene a while, I know that it helps at any age and a few years back was almost necessary to be competitive. Then doping controls just about eliminated the ability to run test during season. I also disagree with the notion that test is not for skinny guys. Just as many cyclist have been popped for test as they have epo. It works really fucking well for endurance athletes as long as it is a low dose. It boosts your hematocrit and helps a ton with day to day recovery.

If you really want to go good then stick with the test.......add the SARMS stack(dont be cheap and buy raws! Use SARMSX. I run them and they are amazingly good)........on really hard days run betamethasone or cortisone injections..........EPO is great if you know how to use it.

For your size in the off season, don't run steroids yet. For one thing, you are skinny and have nowhere but up to go. You don't need them. You can run SARMS and gain everything you want. If you put on too much muscle in the off season then it will take too long to get it off when racing starts. Grow sensibly. Not erratically. Steroids will blow you up in a bad way. You will get ripped and gain a good amount of muscle with the SARMS.



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perfectly said and this is coming from a SERIOUS endurance athlete... Trust me, he knows his shit and he covered it... your too young for test and by running it too early your only setting yourself for a future of issues that i guarantee you dont want... dont be hard headed and one of those clowns that has to learn the hard way... its NOT worth it...