Intro and Bio Identical Pellet Therapy

[Big Dog]

I could not find an intro section so I will post it here with my first question if that is all right. I am 53yo and have had above average lifting experience in my twenty's and early thirty's. In the last two years I have regained the spark, lost 100lbs and increased my strength. Six months ago I had bio-identical pellets inserted for anti aging. My total T was at 998ng/ml, free at 155pg/ml. After 6 months is dropped to 775ng/ml and was declining. The Doc set the new insertion date 6 weeks from that test so I decided to do 350ml of Prop per week for those six weeks.

Now for the questions.

I am guessing PCT is not needed because of the reinsertion of the pellets. What I can not find anywhere is if my natural production was shut down by the pellets or not. If it was then I figure no PCT, but if it was not because of the bio-identical factor then I think I should run a PCT.

Second question. I get bad joint pain in my elbows and shoulders which I don't believe is E2 related because my E2 was 25 last test and 36 the test before. Had the pain at that time and since. I was thinking of a very low dose of Deca to help with the pain that keeps me from sleeping properly. Would I need an additional Test base or would the pellets be enough if my blood level was at 1000ng/ml?

Add last question. Is 100mg of Deca the minimum dose to alive the pain? Also because of the long esters how often should you dose?

I hope this was not too many questions in one post. There is so much knowledge to be found on the forum I think I will send a few hours reading now.

Thanks
BD

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: Intro and Bio Identical Pellet Therapy

I could not find an intro section so I will post it here with my first question if that is all right. I am 53yo and have had above average lifting experience in my twenty's and early thirty's. In the last two years I have regained the spark, lost 100lbs and increased my strength. Six months ago I had bio-identical pellets inserted for anti aging. My total T was at 998ng/ml, free at 155pg/ml. After 6 months is dropped to 775ng/ml and was declining. The Doc set the new insertion date 6 weeks from that test so I decided to do 350ml of Prop per week for those six weeks.

Now for the questions.

I am guessing PCT is not needed because of the reinsertion of the pellets. What I can not find anywhere is if my natural production was shut down by the pellets or not. If it was then I figure no PCT, but if it was not because of the bio-identical factor then I think I should run a PCT.

Second question. I get bad joint pain in my elbows and shoulders which I don't believe is E2 related because my E2 was 25 last test and 36 the test before. Had the pain at that time and since. I was thinking of a very low dose of Deca to help with the pain that keeps me from sleeping properly. Would I need an additional Test base or would the pellets be enough if my blood level was at 1000ng/ml?

Add last question. Is 100mg of Deca the minimum dose to alive the pain? Also because of the long esters how often should you dose?

I hope this was not too many questions in one post. There is so much knowledge to be found on the forum I think I will send a few hours reading now.

Thanks
BD

First of all welcome to Adrenaline Rush! You've come to the right place, and we are happy to have you.

As for your question, it doesn't matter if you are on pellets, creams, gels, or injections. Your body will still see them all as the same exogenous testosterone source despite different delivery methods. This will shutdown your natural production. However, if you are staying on pellets or any other form of testosterone, PCT is not needed.

As for your joint pain relief, I wouldn't recommend deca. Deca only masks pain by lubricating joints, and doesn't actually heal anything. If you want true actual healing properties, pick up some MK-2866 from www.pureessencesarms.com and run it at 25mg per day. That will work very well for you for what you are wanting.

If you need help with anything else, don't hesitate to ask!

 

[Big Dog]

Thanks for the reply. My gynecologist (don't laugh, that's who does my pellets for me) had stated that your body does not see the bio identical Testosterone as exogenous. This did not seem correct to me but I could not find any info on it. I did notice my ball shrink a little so I assumed I shut down.

As far as the Deca only masking the problem, I knew that but was thinking that was a better option then having Percs. and Vicodin mask it so I can sleep.

I will defiantly start researching MK-2866 as a better option.

Thanks again
BD

 

[Jacfolly]

Really concerned why the doc and statement that bio identical test basically won't shut you down . I would love to hear the theory behind this .

 

[Big Dog]

I was told that bio identical T is seen by the body as its own and as long as your bloods are under 1100 then you will still produce your own. Does not make sense to me because I received nine pellets when I was at 650 natural and another patient got nine also when he was at 350. It seems we are both running off pellets only because our blood levels are similar.

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: Re: Intro and Bio Identical Pellet Therapy

Thanks for the reply. My gynecologist (don't laugh, that's who does my pellets for me) had stated that your body does not see the bio identical Testosterone as exogenous. This did not seem correct to me but I could not find any info on it. I did notice my ball shrink a little so I assumed I shut down.

As far as the Deca only masking the problem, I knew that but was thinking that was a better option then having Percs. and Vicodin mask it so I can sleep.

I will defiantly start researching MK-2866 as a better option.

Thanks again
BD

Yeh, I'm not sure why he would have told you that, unless he is fairly uneducated. Pellets definitely shut you down. If they did not, they would be superior for testosterone delivery and make every other option inferior. Everyone would be using pellets if you didn't get shutdown from them

 

[DylanGemelli]

Really concerned why the doc and statement that bio identical test basically won't shut you down . I would love to hear the theory behind this .

How concerning is this?? I mean fuck man.. what absurdity right?!? So many of these doctors have no business advising and diagnosing on these matters as they end up causing far more harm than good... it just never ceases to amaze me...

 

[DylanGemelli]

I was told that bio identical T is seen by the body as its own and as long as your bloods are under 1100 then you will still produce your own. Does not make sense to me because I received nine pellets when I was at 650 natural and another patient got nine also when he was at 350. It seems we are both running off pellets only because our blood levels are similar.

I think you have received all the answers that you were wanting and need as all i would do is just insult your doctor and repeat things you have already heard... Just know this.. these doctors are not versed in a lot of these areas whatsoever and they just want the office visit money... time and time again i see them ruin peoples lives with their mis diagnosing and advising.. its absurdity... I am really glad that you came and asked and also brought to light the ridiculous behavior we see on a daily basis with these so called "experts" in their field...

We can all help you to get things corrected and get you on the right track... i do not want to see you hurt or suffer whatsoever... anything you need, don't hesitate to ask and we will help in any way possible...

I have several articles and youtube videos on sarms and mk-2866... here is a link to my articles and youtube channel for you to educate yourself... let me know and i'll be happy to get you set up on how to run it etc... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEdmdT ... ujxQgFa-kw and http://www.pureessencesarms.com

this is a FAR superior option in every way... an even better method is to stack mk-2866 with lgd-4033 for even more healing as well as lean muscle gain, muscle preservation etc...