testosterone deca durabolin ratio

[fogertone]

Hello,
I was just wondering your opinion on what ratio you'd run Test E to Deca, have been researching and a lot of places say 2:1 and nearly all forums suggest at least 500mg of test which I know you say isn't always the best, but extra gains can be made there, but what would you run mgs of each, and on pct what would you run with tamoxifen for a cycle like this? I'm a sports science student at university in England and I love your videos and I really enjoy learning about all different performance enhancing stuff, would appreciate if you would give me your opinion, thank you

 

[EZ_E]

Welcome to the board, mate.

More test doesn't equal more gains. People still actually say that? Freaking internet is a joke.

There's a lot of factors that go into it. Are you asking because you want to run this cycle or "just looking?"

I'm not a deca expert but most guys run deca at about 75% to the test. But I'll hand off on that.

Deca can also be a bitch to recover from...and it sets up camp in your body for the long haul.

PCT (as with any cycle) is CRUTIAL.

What do you know about OCT (on cycle therapy) AI's, caber, prami.....

 

[dylangemelli]

Hello,
I was just wondering your opinion on what ratio you'd run Test E to Deca, have been researching and a lot of places say 2:1 and nearly all forums suggest at least 500mg of test which I know you say isn't always the best, but extra gains can be made there, but what would you run mgs of each, and on pct what would you run with tamoxifen for a cycle like this? I'm a sports science student at university in England and I love your videos and I really enjoy learning about all different performance enhancing stuff, would appreciate if you would give me your opinion, thank you

there are NOT necessarily more gains the higher you go but there is a guarantee of more sides so even if you make more in the gains department, you will sacrifice more of it due to the sides so that really makes it pointless...







when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…








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clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[fogertone]

Hello guys thank you for everything, EZ E no it's not something I'm looking to run anytime soon as I'm 20, but I love anything to do with sports science so understand how to prevent stuff and why side affects happen and everything is quite interesting, also Nolva and Clomid I've researched a lot, I know they help with gyno, but could that not help with just anyone with gyno non steroid related? What's the difference from pinning Test E once compared to twice a week and how much can deca affect the gains you get compared to a Test only cycle? Adam Coristol I've read up on also and I heard there is another Coristol suppressant called 'Cytadren' what do you know of it and what's your opinion on its abilities? Also caber will help with prolactin right? And will help with 'Deca Dick'? Thanks all of you and any more information you can give I'd be greatful, I asked about this cycle as I didn't understand it as much as others as I found the information in other places a lot less in detail, cheers guys

 

[RickRock]

Hello guys thank you for everything, EZ E no it's not something I'm looking to run anytime soon as I'm 20, but I love anything to do with sports science so understand how to prevent stuff and why side affects happen and everything is quite interesting, also Nolva and Clomid I've researched a lot, I know they help with gyno, but could that not help with just anyone with gyno non steroid related? What's the difference from pinning Test E once compared to twice a week and how much can deca affect the gains you get compared to a Test only cycle? Adam Coristol I've read up on also and I heard there is another Coristol suppressant called 'Cytadren' what do you know of it and what's your opinion on its abilities? Also caber will help with prolactin right? And will help with 'Deca Dick'? Thanks all of you and any more information you can give I'd be greatful, I asked about this cycle as I didn't understand it as much as others as I found the information in other places a lot less in detail, cheers guys

At 20 years old you shouldn't be even thinking about steroids right now. Wayyyyy too young dude.

 

[fogertone]

No mate I said I'm not looking to do it any time soon because I'm young and I'm still growing on my Whey, bcaa, beta alanine and creatine, it's all for knowledge I just find it an interesting topic as I love everything sports and fitness and this will be an assignment in my 3rd yeah on athletics and sports enhancement, so no mate sorry if didn't make that clear I'm not looking to run a cycle but because of my love of sports and fitness I like to broaden my knowledge

 

[Stillkickin]

At 20 years old you shouldn't be even thinking about steroids right now. Wayyyyy too young dude.

He said he was NOT going to run it.

If he just wanted info and planned on running AAS he likely would have said he was 35 y/o

 

[fogertone]

I'm still growing and stuff, my natural potential isn't reached yet and I understand why people use them when they are past puberty and fully growing and in peak condition, just wanted information on this one as it's one I'm interested in, wanted peoples full opinions on how they'd run it compared to others, and why they think that way is better or they prefer it vs another way, has anyone had experience of this cycle? I'd like to know side affects how they are countered, best dosage, best workout routines whilst on this cycle, why this cycle over others? What kind of results, I've heard 20-25lbs but I'd like to know more opinions, what muscle groups if any you see grow first or they are all synced, that kind of stuff, really appreciate all information lads

 

[RickRock]

He said he was NOT going to run it.

If he just wanted info and planned on running AAS he likely would have said he was 35 y/o

Apparently you haven't been around long enough to know that we have dozens of these threads every day from teens that put their ages up. It's an every day thing time and time again bro. Not my first rodeo

Also advice is advice. Same way some people lie about age, he could be lying about not running it. When age is a factor we don't advise...period

 

[Stillkickin]

Apparently you haven't been around long enough to know that we have dozens of these threads every day from teens that put their ages up. It's an every day thing time and time again bro. Not my first rodeo

Also advice is advice. Same way some people lie about age, he could be lying about not running it. When age is a factor we don't advise...period

Nor mine.

Been involved since mid 70's.

Anyway I see your point on age. Maybe truthful maybe not.

Best to not advise.

 

[fogertone]

Hello guys I understand your hesitation, but it's genuinely for information, I can put up proof I study sports science and my age if that's means yous will help me out with just the knowledge, if you really don't trust me run me down on the information about the cycle that wouldn't in anyway give me enough to know how to do a cycle *

 

[RickRock]

Nor mine.

Been involved since mid 70's.

Anyway I see your point on age. Maybe truthful maybe not.

Best to not advise.

Good to see an iron veteran here bud. Much respect. I started in the late 80s

Sorry if I came across wrong. I didn't mean to assume you were newer but I'm sure you can understand the types of things we deal with on a day to day basis.

Glad to have you here with us brother

 

[RickRock]

Good to see an iron veteran here bud. Much respect. I started in the late 80s

Sorry if I came across wrong. I didn't mean to assume you were newer but I'm sure you can understand the types of things we deal with on a day to day basis.

Glad to have you here with us brother

Well buddy I'll give you my generalized answer on it. I personally prefer test higher than deca and I prefer a 2:1 ratio for the most part. I think it's best there but it's not a one size fits all answer for everyone. Those that are estrogen prone may be better off slightly higher test than deca or even but I'd never run test lower than deca

 

[dylangemelli]

Nor mine.

Been involved since mid 70's.

Anyway I see your point on age. Maybe truthful maybe not.

Best to not advise.

i see where you are coming from but this is a constant thing and people ALWAYS say they just want info but they want info so they can run it without asking straight up... i can't control who watches my videos but im not conversing whatsoever on how to use steroids one on one with anyone that age.. i do not contribute to people recking themselves... he may be only doing it for research purposes but we just do things different here and the PRIMARY focus is taking care of EVERYONE first brother, which i am certain you can appreciate... i appreciate your input though, truly, thank you

 

[Stillkickin]

Good to see an iron veteran here bud. Much respect. I started in the late 80s

Sorry if I came across wrong. I didn't mean to assume you were newer but I'm sure you can understand the types of things we deal with on a day to day basis.

Glad to have you here with us brother

We good. The shit I have seen is unreal. Appreciate the issue with age.

Here is fucked up for you: few years back local guy had his 16 y/o!!! son on a cycle cause he knew his son would make it in the NFL.

Kid never made it. I know the kid and it was his fathers dream not his. I have no clue what their relationship is like at this time.

So I do understand the age issue.Nice to be on board

 

[jtbull46]

If I am reading this right it sounds like deca is more a pain in the neck than test. When I am finally ready for steroids that is what I was thinking of taking with test. learn something new here everyday.

 

[Stillkickin]

With Deca as all AAS got to know the drug and potential sides.

Also Deca vs NPP: way shorter 1/2 life with NPP. Some prefer to pin more frequently with NPP while others switch from Deca to NPP later in cycle.

Just do lots of reading.

Most importantly, more is not better!!!

 

[fogertone]

Thank you everyone for more information coming in, yeah I totally understand the age thing like I say I do sports sciences I I know about human anatomy in general, so I know I'm not fully grown and I'm still seeing my size and strength going up just going to gym regularly and playing my football and swimming, Rick rock thank you mate, that's the opinion of most that I've seen on forums, I know deca helps with your tendons and joints and stuff, anyone know how that works? And is it as powerful as say the cortisone injection you'd get, just that aspect of deca I'm talking about, also when you're a vet and many cycles in, can you use the same mgs or does your body adapt and you have to use more? Thank you everyone for your answers and again I understand your concerns but it's just a topic within sports that's interesting as many people who don't know about steroids I think believe when they say steroids they only really know if test and they only know the negatives, cheers guys

 

[dylangemelli]

[FONT=&quot]deca has positive and beneficial effects on connective and bone tissue, allowing a greater rate of healing in these areas and an added injury preventative when heavier weights are used and more intense physical activity is engaged in.[/FONT]

 

[RickRock]

We good. The shit I have seen is unreal. Appreciate the issue with age.

Here is fucked up for you: few years back local guy had his 16 y/o!!! son on a cycle cause he knew his son would make it in the NFL.

Kid never made it. I know the kid and it was his fathers dream not his. I have no clue what their relationship is like at this time.

So I do understand the age issue.Nice to be on board

That's pretty fucked but doesn't surprise me unfortunately