Hey Dylan, I recently started my first cycle ever at 80mg per day. I'm a 25 year old male in good health (pre-cycle blood work had me at 38 AST). Anyways, I'm currently 3 weeks in and finally got my blood work back today. I was expecting an increase in my ALT + AST but nothing like what the test results showed. My ALT was a whopping 256 and my AST was at 98. I don't have any LIV support other than Milk Thistle (if that even counts). Obviously these values are extremely high and I now have to get a liv ultrasound as a precaution. My knee jerk reaction is to continue my cycle as I'm getting surprisingly good results and I'm nearing the half way mark. I'm going to start cycling off but this is where my question comes in. I want to know the best way to handle coming off of Anavar as it's been exactly 3 weeks since I started and is early in the cycle. I have NOLVA for PCT. If you have any insight it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
Question about coming off of Anavar early
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MaxxPursuit
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Man.... I really wish you would have researched and spent some time/effort planning before starting this. Var only is a waste of a cycle. Milk thistle isnt going to do jack shit for protection. Aas effects everything, heart, bp, organs, liver, etc. Nolvadex is not considered a complete pct either. My advice... pct now, scrap this cycle, and learn from your mistakes. Do a better job planning on the future. Here is a standard pct layout:
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Mk-2866 25mg ed
Gw 20mg ed
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg eod
Mk-2866 25mg ed
Gw 20mg ed
okay man, im sorry but im not sugar coating this at all because i despise what your doing... your values are so far out of whack and off that is at the point of dangerous... you have no fucking clue what your doing... your running an oral only cycle which is the worst thing you could do.. not to mention your running it TOO HIGH, TOO LONG and you have NO protection... i mean wtf??? you EVEN KNOW it and you still don't care... that's what really pisses me off... you are literally the WORST example i could ever put in frot of someone... what makes it worse is you KNOW that your out of line yet you still continue... i have less than zero respect for the way you are behaving... do you have people that care about you??? think about them instead of being so selfish and doing this to yourelf... you need to stop NOW and run pct which is NOT nolva only... i mean wtf man????? that is not even 1/4 of a full pct... you have no clue how much anavar will shut you down especially without test... this is horrible... at least most guys that do crazy and stupid shit are just ignorant to what they are doing but im even more pissed because its clear YOU KNOW you are wrong yet do it anyway... good luck
Your liver values got out of hand in a hurry because you didn't run any supports and you ran your dose too high. Also it's just not a good idea running any oral steroid by itself without testosterone. Despite the results you are getting you really need to come of of this ASAP, and hopefully you did learn something from this experience.
Nolva alone is not going to do it for a pct. you need a full pct,and this is exactly what you need. I'll even provide you a link to get the whole stack
https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED
(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
Nolva alone is not going to do it for a pct. you need a full pct,and this is exactly what you need. I'll even provide you a link to get the whole stack
https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED
(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
iliftdou
Member
not that it makes a bit of difference here. oral only isnt the way to go. this is my opinion only. your not running anavar at all. i bet its dbol or winstrol your running passed off as anavar. oxandrolone is very mild to the liver. those numbers suggest another compound. again this is my opinion. i would lab max that product for sure.
Not that this really matters but where did you get your Var from? Back in 2013 my ALT were in that range and they admitted me to the hospital because they were so concerned. This isn't a fucking game bro. Anavar "mild" or not ran that high with no protection will absolutely fuck up your lipids and mess with your liver values I don't care what anyone says.
Hey guys thanks for the responses thus far. I immediately want to disclose why I chose anavar only before some people pop some blood vessels typing to me lol. I travel A LOT for work. So much so that taking illegal injectable steroids are literally impossible/ far too risky to be even consider. I immediately got off this cycle and did bloods two days after along with an ultrasound. My ASt has already dropped to 150 and my alt is 62. Ultrasound came back impeccable according to my GP as well. I'm assuming what I received was likely winstrol or a similar compound. I've learned a valuable lesson in this as my first cycle. I took my coworkers word as gospel who had walked me through the entire thing and did little research (which I regret doing immensely now). Luckily it appears I'll walk away with this with no apparent damage despite the high numbers. Anyways, lesson learned do not do oral only cycles! I still feel there is huge grey areas in this game when it comes to PCT. I've posted on a couple of forums and have received several answers when it comes to what to be talking. Some people say nolva only, some say clomid, some say the full meal deal. But for a 3 WEEK cycle would I really be shut down enough to require all of these compounds? The answer seems to be less of a perfect science but more of anectodal experience. I appreciate any help/ information in this greatly. Thanks!
Absolutely not. I've received many opinions on this some which even contradict each other. I guess I'm looking for a black and white answer. Whether that is every drug under the sun for pct or no pct. Just some measure of consistency. I suppose I can't really expect that from online forums.
bodean30
Active member
For pct you want to run both nolva and clomid. One of the main reasons for this is so that you don't have to run either one by themselves at a high dosage. 150mg of clomid is about equal to 20mg of nolva. The side effects from high doses of clomid are not fun. You definitely want to run an AI like aromasin during pct to avoid estrogen rebound. A lot of guys have no issues with gyno until they enter pct and their estrogen levels shoot through the roof.
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That's as black and white as it gets. Tried and true.
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bodean30
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Holy crap...if my liver values ever came back like that numbers I'd probably never cycle again. That being said I only get Post cycle bloods not during.
I am 100% positive that you aren't running anavar at all. Anavar is pretty mild and might elevate liver values but nothing like that, that's just crazy.
You never run a cycle without a testosterone base, period. I would start pct asap if I where you...
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I am 100% positive that you aren't running anavar at all. Anavar is pretty mild and might elevate liver values but nothing like that, that's just crazy.
You never run a cycle without a testosterone base, period. I would start pct asap if I where you...
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okay bro, i am going to be very blunt and this is NOT directed at you... I DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK what any moron is saying about pct etc... EVERY steroid shuts you down PERIOD.. every cycle needs a pct... any fuckhead telling you different has NO CLUE what they are talking about and they are going to get YOU SEVERELY hurt... you need to watch my videos to truly understand what pct needs to address and why it is so important.. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dylan+gemelli+pct
here is a link to purchase the entire pct you need followed by the layout... REMEMBER, THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN PCT PERIOD!!
https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133&search=platinum
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day
here is a link to purchase the entire pct you need followed by the layout... REMEMBER, THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN PCT PERIOD!!
https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133&search=platinum
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day
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