Primobolan Depot & Test Cyp Cycle (with SARMS?, Which Ones?. What Dose?)

[ErikInBelAirMD]

Dylan,

Big fan of yours. Really appreciate your educational videos.

40 year old male here. I'm about 13% body fat, 195 pounds.

Looking to drop 15 pounds and reduce by body fat somewhat through compound lifts that I do ritually 4x per week.

I did a 20 week 600mg Primo/300mg Test Prop cycle 3 years ago. Comedown was a little tough (Clomid/Nolva/Aromasin/HCGenerate etc).

My plan is to reduce this cycle to 16 weeks and lengthen the PCT.

I would like to incorporate SARMS in to my cycle but per recommendations I've received, it would cost $1,000's to incorporate this much into the cycle noted below.

Would you please look over my entire cycle and tell me if I have everything lined up correctly, at proper doses, and it I can reduce or remove any SARMS where I might be going overboard?

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Week 1: Boost Week
Primobolan Depot - 1000mg - 2 Injections X 500mg
Testosterone Cypionate - 500mg - 2 Injections x 250mg
Andarine (S4) - 50mgs/day
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (10mg AM & 10mg PM)
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 2 Through Week 8: First Part of Cycle (Reduce Primo & Test)
Primobolan Depot - 700mg - 2 Injections X 350mg
Testosterone Cypionate - 300mg - 2 Injections x 150mg
Andarine (S4) - 50mgs/day
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (10mg AM & 10mg PM)
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 9 Through Week 16: Second Part of Cycle (Remove Andarine and Ostarine)
Primobolan Depot - 700mg - 2 Injections X 350mg
Testosterone Cypionate - 300mg - 2 Injections x 150mg
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (10mg AM & 10mg PM)
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 17 Through Week 18: Begin HCGenerate
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Post Workout, 1 Cap PM
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Post Workout, 3 Caps PM
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (10mg AM & 10mg PM)
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Week 19 Through Week 24: Post Cycle Therapy
Clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/10
Aromasin - 12.5/12.5/7.5/7.5/0 EOD
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (10mg AM & 10mg PM)
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25/25/25/12.5/0
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Post Workout, 1 Cap PM
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Post Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 25: Last Week
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Before Workout, 1 Cap PM
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[ErikInBelAirMD]

Anyone?

Bump up for feedback

 

[RickRock]

I wouodmt recommend the front load at all bro. That is completely unnecessary. Also, I'd drop the N2guard and get some organ st. It's a MUCH more comprehensive and complete product for cycle protection. https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st

I would also not use HCGenerate ES. In place of that use Post CT. It's a far better formula for a better price. You'll use that the last two weeks of your cycle, and then also the two weeks esters clear (4 weeks total) https://www.dganutrition.com/post-ct

Then you would run the following pct

clomid 50/50/50/25//25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[EZ_E]

IMO drop 15 pounds and reduce by body fat isn't something you need juice for. Especially all of that.

Save your $

 

[ErikInBelAirMD]

I wouodmt recommend the front load at all bro. That is completely unnecessary. Also, I'd drop the N2guard and get some organ st. It's a MUCH more comprehensive and complete product for cycle protection. https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st

I would also not use HCGenerate ES. In place of that use Post CT. It's a far better formula for a better price. You'll use that the last two weeks of your cycle, and then also the two weeks esters clear (4 weeks total) https://www.dganutrition.com/post-ct

Then you would run the following pct

clomid 50/50/50/25//25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day

Thanks you for the feedback. I understand everything you said besides one thing:

Are you suggesting that I should not implement any SARMS until PCT? Right now I have SARMS all through the cycle and I feel that either I have way too much or that they are unnecessary until PCT. Regardless, I can afford that many SARMS, so if I do need them during cycle, can I reduce frequency or the types?

Also the 20mg of Aromasin ED during cycle I’ve read is a good idea. Do you agree?

Thanks again!

 

[RickRock]

Thanks you for the feedback. I understand everything you said besides one thing. Are you suggesting that I should not implement any SARMS until PCT? Right now I have SARMS all through the cycle and I feel that either I have way too much or that they are unnecessary until PCT. Regardless, I can afford that many SARMS, so if I do need them during cycle, can I reduce frequency or the types? Thanks again!

No I'm not saying that at all. I would certainly use Sarms during your cycle. Mk2866 is the ine I would use in pct along with GW as well.

During the cycle I would run GW, s4, and sr9009 based on the goals you have

1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-16 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-16 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)

 

[ErikInBelAirMD]

Thanks for your guidance. Just one last thing. 20mg of Aromasin ED during cycle I’ve read is a good idea. Do you agree?

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for your guidance. Just one last thing. 20mg of Aromasin ED during cycle I’ve read is a good idea. Do you agree?

No, that is a very high dose of Aromasin. You would likely crash your estrogen on that at the test dose you are running. I would recommend 12.5mg EOD

 

[DylanGemelli]

thats way too much aromasin to be using... you will likely crush your estrogen... 12.5 mg eod is a great place to start and assess from there...

 

[ErikInBelAirMD]

Thanks so much Dylan & co for helping me get this cycle in ink. Sorry for so many questions l, but one last thing. I heard it might be better to introduce SARMS in the middle of the cycle. I have my PCT set with MK first 4 Weeks and GW (all PCT). Should I consider starting the GW (currently Weeks 1-16) and S4 (currently Weeks 1-12) later in the cycle? Again, sorry for so many questions.

 

[DylanGemelli]

yes thats fine to do