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This is why new lifters can't build muscle

Hahaha lol ! Love u bro, I was just throwing some insight into the convo u know me I play the devil's advocate whenever I can to stimulate a more intellectual conversation

Definitely bro, I know how you roll. You're one of the few thinkers on here with a great perspective on all things. (still think you hacked my web cam lol)
 
Lol, damn bro you accessing my webcam??? Lol. Agreed all lifts have a place and the only reason I said that was because so many folks try to make excuses about the weight they use when speaking to me. Heavy is person dependent, what I consider heavy starts at 485 plus. What someone else might consider heavy may be 365 plus. However for the record considering I eat as I please and do no cardio for me to be at 12% is great by my standard.

Technically I guess you are doing an indirect form of cardio when u lift weights no ? And if you lift with aggression I would assume a nice burn in calories
 
I train my arms twice a week.I do chest/Bi's,Back/Tri's then a couple days later blast Bi's/Tri's/forearms.I just love fuckin working them.They respond so well too.

I still do basic compound movements (minus squats cause of my damn knees make up for it by doing 500 reps of extensions) deadlifts,overhead press,romanian deads,clean,etc.All the old school BBs were consistent in saying you need these movements to grow & build a better base.I read all the books by Arnold & Franco on the subject as well as a few others I can't remember the names.

Just wanted to state that I do chest/bi's & back/tri's on two different days.Sorry I just had to confirm this as my OCD was bugging the shit outta me.
 
You do realize you can get a cardio benefit from heavier lifting as well. I do zero actual "cardio" and am sitting on 11-12% bf. If I did cardio 3x week I'd be on a ten easily. Lifting heavy with minimal rest periods can provide cardiovascular benefit as well so let's not presume that light weight and faster reps is the ticket. I can appreciate all types of lifting methods, but one is no better than the other unless it is focused towards a specific goal. Cardio increases cardio. Lifting light and fast has it's own benefits, but definitely is not something to promote sizeable hypertrophy. From my experience in gyms I frequent a lot of guys use that as an excuse. Increased heart rate/cardio benefit can be achieved numerous ways.

I do realize that. My comment just wasn't read with the same sarcasm that I was writing it with. I hardly do cardio myself but u do try to do one day of the week where I do higher intensity cardiovascular training.
 
Meh, more people using the 5lb dumbbells to curl, translates to more open squat racks and deadlift platforms for us


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Technically I guess you are doing an indirect form of cardio when u lift weights no ? And if you lift with aggression I would assume a nice burn in calories

Actually not, while your HR goes way up, you are only hitting a few muscles, not like your entire body doing cardio. read a bit on HR monitors and how the calorie counts are only good for cardio.

I used my HR monitor for lifting for a year, and If I'd followed those calorie counts, I'd be fat as fuck from overeating.
 
Actually not, while your HR goes way up, you are only hitting a few muscles, not like your entire body doing cardio. read a bit on HR monitors and how the calorie counts are only good for cardio.

I used my HR monitor for lifting for a year, and If I'd followed those calorie counts, I'd be fat as fuck from overeating.

and where are you getting your information on this one ?
 
Actually not, while your HR goes way up, you are only hitting a few muscles, not like your entire body doing cardio. read a bit on HR monitors and how the calorie counts are only good for cardio.

I used my HR monitor for lifting for a year, and If I'd followed those calorie counts, I'd be fat as fuck from overeating.


Exercise is a vital ingredient to maintaining a healthy lifestyle, promoting fitness, and losing weight. Especially in an era of rapid increase in the prevalence of weight disorders, it is important to establish a regular workout routine, preferably five or more days per week, and stick with it. As reflected in Borg, et al, 2002, a lack of discipline can often result in a depletion of any success in losing weight.
With regards to whether cardio or weight-lifting is better at shedding the pounds, the answer is both. While various public views and studies pointed to one or the other, the overall consensus highlights the importance of both, as each provides a different aspect of fitness. Aerobic exercise is more likely to cause initial weight loss and increase REE following workouts. Resistance training builds LBM, which is an essential mechanism for burning calories during rest and experiencing long-term weight loss.
For the most successful weight loss experience, integrate cardio and weight-lifting in an intensive workout program. Remember, the effort and time put into exercise directly affects the amount of calories, especially from fat, that can be burned.

http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/web2007/exercisecomp.htm
 
Exercise is a vital ingredient to maintaining a healthy lifestyle, promoting fitness, and losing weight. Especially in an era of rapid increase in the prevalence of weight disorders, it is important to establish a regular workout routine, preferably five or more days per week, and stick with it. As reflected in Borg, et al, 2002, a lack of discipline can often result in a depletion of any success in losing weight.
With regards to whether cardio or weight-lifting is better at shedding the pounds, the answer is both. While various public views and studies pointed to one or the other, the overall consensus highlights the importance of both, as each provides a different aspect of fitness. Aerobic exercise is more likely to cause initial weight loss and increase REE following workouts. Resistance training builds LBM, which is an essential mechanism for burning calories during rest and experiencing long-term weight loss.
For the most successful weight loss experience, integrate cardio and weight-lifting in an intensive workout program. Remember, the effort and time put into exercise directly affects the amount of calories, especially from fat, that can be burned.

http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/web2007/exercisecomp.htm

answer appears to be both
 
Heres some additional benefits to resistance training :

Inactive adults experience a 3% to 8% loss of muscle mass per decade, accompanied by resting metabolic rate reduction and fat accumulation. Ten weeks of resistance training may increase lean weight by 1.4 kg, increase resting metabolic rate by 7%, and reduce fat weight by 1.8 kg. Benefits of resistance training include improved physical performance, movement control, walking speed, functional independence, cognitive abilities, and self-esteem. Resistance training may assist prevention and management of type 2 diabetes by decreasing visceral fat, reducing HbA1c, increasing the density of glucose transporter type 4, and improving insulin sensitivity. Resistance training may enhance cardiovascular health, by reducing resting blood pressure, decreasing low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglycerides, and increasing high-density lipoprotein cholesterol. Resistance training may promote bone development, with studies showing 1% to 3% increase in bone mineral density. Resistance training may be effective for reducing low back pain and easing discomfort associated with arthritis and fibromyalgia and has been shown to reverse specific aging factors in skeletal muscle.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22777332
 
and where are you getting your information on this one ?

Personal experience, and learning how HR monitors actually work.

My big workouts were coming up as 600-700 calories, and when I started using those numbers, I'd put n too much fat. So I started learning how HR monitors work (rest rate, vo2max, age height weight) all the monitors use pretty much the same algorithms. And those algorithms are based upon a steady state. Which isnt good at all for calories burnt lifting.

When you are doigncardio, you are (depending on the type of course) using far more muscles in teh body lifting, thus expending more calories. Lifting, (depending the type of lifting of course)((like strongman for example thats all compound exercises)) doesnt use as many muscles in the body. So while your HR is elevated for a considerable period, you arent burning as many calories as if actually doing cardio.

This is all from my own learning, reading and experience, nothing more.
 
Heres some additional benefits to resistance training :

Inactive adults experience a 3% to 8% loss of muscle mass per decade, accompanied by resting metabolic rate reduction and fat accumulation. Ten weeks of resistance training may increase lean weight by 1.4 kg, increase resting metabolic rate by 7%, and reduce fat weight by 1.8 kg. Benefits of resistance training include improved physical performance, movement control, walking speed, functional independence, cognitive abilities, and self-esteem. Resistance training may assist prevention and management of type 2 diabetes by decreasing visceral fat, reducing HbA1c, increasing the density of glucose transporter type 4, and improving insulin sensitivity. Resistance training may enhance cardiovascular health, by reducing resting blood pressure, decreasing low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglycerides, and increasing high-density lipoprotein cholesterol. Resistance training may promote bone development, with studies showing 1% to 3% increase in bone mineral density. Resistance training may be effective for reducing low back pain and easing discomfort associated with arthritis and fibromyalgia and has been shown to reverse specific aging factors in skeletal muscle.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22777332

This is why I love this dude!!! Sharing valuable credible info as well as real world experience!! Studies and info are dead without experience and you bring both to just about every topic bro!!! Much respect!!
 
Once.a.month?

What I should have said is I do enough push and pull work that I don't need to really focus allot of effort on my arms. They are good size as it is.

The area I need more growth is calves... I have allot of strength, but they just don't quite have the proportion I want.
 
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