My Stats

[Pigfarmer]

New guy. 46 y/o. 5ft 11 in. 245 pounds. Tanita scale says 22% fat. As they are not accurate maybe a bit more or less. I'll get calipers this week.

Cycle a few years ago Test C 300 mg per week. Started at 220 pounds. After 4 weeks added Anavar 25 mg.Scared about hepatic effects of anavar so waited.

Ran Test for 12 weeks and Anavar for 8.

Ended at 235 pounds.

At that time my BF was also hovering around 25% via calipers. It dropped to 17-18% on the above cycle. Tested with caliper method. This is my recall which is pretty good. Nothing in writing to confirm.

I believe the anavar helped as well as my training and diet. Yes I was and am a fat fuck! I get it.

Anyway I have read alot and looking to get on Test C ONLY for a cycle. I am prepared with AI and SERMS as well as HCG.

No medical issues such as BP, diabetes etc.

Please no lectures. I have read that doing a cycle with elevated BF is not good. Lipid issues as well as aromatization.

I get it !!

If your not comfortable saying go for it I'm fine with that.

My point is that if you look at NFL linemen they are not 12% body fat. Nor are powerlifters. I imagine there is steroid use among them or at least among power lifters.

I imagine they use AI and SERM as well.

Simple question do they have a different set of rules as far as BF % and steroids??

I swear I am committed and have started lifting clean also doing aerobic work. Diet dialed in. Lean meat, fish,veggies (raw). Quality carbs (brown rice).

A bit of juicing (vegetables not gear).

Whey protein(Syntha-6 made by Bio-Engineered Supplements). A bit high on the carb count so any recommendations regarding alternative powder are appreciated.

Sure I can hold off for 6 months or so till BF drops but if I take precautions am I insane? If so I imagine pro athletes are insane as well.

Please no flames! I am not looking for you guys to say go for it if you think I'm nuts. Just don't answer my post or contribute some thing meaningful!

I likely will proceed with or without your endorsement. i will take all necessary precautions.

FWIW: I am not under the illusion that the gear will get me where I want to be (less BF and more defined). I know it takes work and esp. diet.

Thanks for reading.

 

[buen]

you are rationalizing..you want it..so you ignore the facts you already know

"I swear I am committed and have STARTED lifting clean also doing aerobic work....."

most guys that use steroids successfully have trained SERIOUSLY for years and years..many of us 10 or more years..before ever doing steroids

you are looking to steroids to do the work for you..unfortunately that's NOT how steroids work

they don't get you in shape...you need to be in superior shape BEFORE ever considering steroid use

"I likely will proceed with or without your endorsement"..... then why the hell are you asking????...hoping against hope....

" I will take all necessary precautions." There is no precaution you can take to protect your health if you use steroids in your present condition

 

[bodean30]

I'm not going to comment as far as the use of steroids are concerned here.

Syntha-6 is definitely not the most macro friendly protein out there. I actually love their protein if I can fit it into my macros so I only use it every once in a while (cookies & cream). I started using MTS Whey and love it. The macros are a little better and forgiving. The MTS mint cookies & cream is awesome. Like a thin mint milkshake.
Here's a little video comparing the two. I would add that mixability and taste are top notch for both products which is the #1 thing I look for in a protein supplement. Doesn't matter how good the protein content or macros are if you don't even use it because it's clumpy and chalky.

https://youtu.be/93bocvYrd-0

Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

 

[Pigfarmer]

Buen:

Appreciate your input. I know the roids don't get you in shape.

Please comment on gear use by power lifters, footballers etc who clearly are way over 10-15% BF by sight alone.

You say no precautions will help in my present condition. And what of the lifters etc?

 

[Pigfarmer]

I'm not going to comment as far as the use of steroids are concerned here.

Syntha-6 is definitely not the most macro friendly protein out there. I actually love their protein if I can fit it into my macros so I only use it every once in a while (cookies & cream). I started using MTS Whey and love it. The macros are a little better and forgiving. The MTS mint cookies & cream is awesome. Like a thin mint milkshake.
Here's a little video comparing the two. I would add that mixability and taste are top notch for both products which is the #1 thing I look for in a protein supplement. Doesn't matter how good the protein content or macros are if you don't even use it because it's clumpy and chalky.

https://youtu.be/93bocvYrd-0

Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

Great review . Looks like Syntha took 2nd place. Hate to throw away $50 so maybe I'll pick up the MTS and mix the 2 of them. Appreciate the link to lower carb count!!

 

[bodean30]

Great review . Looks like Syntha took 2nd place. Hate to throw away $50 so maybe I'll pick up the MTS and mix the 2 of them. Appreciate the link to lower carb count!!

I wouldn't put too much stock into this guy's review. It was just an example. Remember, 2nd place is still the first loser. Lol

By all means don't throw your Syntha away. You don't even have to mix it with different brands. Just be aware of the macro contents and adjust your diet as needed.

Just wanted to let you know about a different brand that I have recently been enjoying. Good luck bud.

Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk

 

[RickRock]

Bro, you need to stop comparing yourself to professional football players and pro powerlifters. You are an average dude, so it's apples to oranges. And for the record, if someone that had elevated bodyfat regardless of their role (powerlifter, football player, or not) asked me for steroid advice I'd tell them the same thing about the not being in the right shape. We don't give that kind of advice here. If you are fat, you don't take things seriously enough or diet properly to use steroids. It's not healthy or safe.

For what you are trying to accom.ish steroids don't make sense anyways. Sarms make a lot more sense, which will help you burn fat while building lean muscle mass and strength

 

[DylanGemelli]

no offense but you are delusional and this is why steroids get such a bad name... you can do whatever you like but DO NOT come in here talking at everyone telling them not to lecture you ... you come here KNOWINGLY doing something not advisable and then have the audacity to tell others with far more experience and know how, what the deal is... NOT HAPPENING here my friend... you can go to some other forum, talk shit like this and maybe have some prick who could care less about you to do whatever you want, but its not happening here.. this probably is not the place for you if thats what you want... STOP comparing yourself to nfl players etc.. i HATE that shit... that is a complete justification to do something you know is not right.. go ahead and run your cycle and deal with the ramifications down the road since you know it all...

 

[drjay9051]

I think pigfarmer sees where this is going. not where he wants it to go!



He does raise a valid question which does not condone use of AAS in his shape but it's a fair question, IMO.

How the hell do "fat" athletes get away with it?

I would think even before strict testing there were offensive linemen with their stomach hanging over the uniform and these guys are (were) strong as fuck.

I'm not sure the OP was suggesting he is on same athletic level as pro football player but rather how do they do it.

Frankly I have no idea why they have not all wound up with lipid levels off the charts and heart attacks!

Got to agree with others, Farmer, AAS not for you at this time but I do understand your question

 

[DylanGemelli]

I think pigfarmer sees where this is going. not where he wants it to go!



He does raise a valid question which does not condone use of AAS in his shape but it's a fair question, IMO.

How the hell do "fat" athletes get away with it?

I would think even before strict testing there were offensive linemen with their stomach hanging over the uniform and these guys are (were) strong as fuck.

I'm not sure the OP was suggesting he is on same athletic level as pro football player but rather how do they do it.

Frankly I have no idea why they have not all wound up with lipid levels off the charts and heart attacks!

Got to agree with others, Farmer, AAS not for you at this time but I do understand your question

you, nor i nor anyone else truly knows but what i do know is they have far more money than any of us and access to who knows what to help them in the process not to mention, none of us know what they are enduring internally and how do any of us of know if conditions and injuries that occur do not happen because of steroid use and are made to believe as something else... we dont pay any attention to lineman bro, no offense to them but can anyone name, i dont know, 10 lineman in the nfl without looking it up? probably not... so noone truly knows what they are experiencing but i know facts having dealt with people on steroids over 10 years and i know the effects they have... so , one can do whatever they want and think they know everything but inevitably, they will learn the hard way...

 

[RickRock]

I think pigfarmer sees where this is going. not where he wants it to go!



He does raise a valid question which does not condone use of AAS in his shape but it's a fair question, IMO.

How the hell do "fat" athletes get away with it?

I would think even before strict testing there were offensive linemen with their stomach hanging over the uniform and these guys are (were) strong as fuck.

I'm not sure the OP was suggesting he is on same athletic level as pro football player but rather how do they do it.

Frankly I have no idea why they have not all wound up with lipid levels off the charts and heart attacks!

Got to agree with others, Farmer, AAS not for you at this time but I do understand your question

That's entirely speculative, and who's to say that those guys don't have lipid profiles off the charts? They aren't immune just because they are professionals. You never know what someone's health is by looking at them. You are also speculating that they are all on, which is not the case at all. Some of them are just gifted athletes that are naturally big and strong. Not every powerlifter and every nfl player is on steroids, so let's leave the speculation where it needs to be.

The whole point is that it is not safe or advisable to run steroids at any elevated bodyfat, and we won't condone or advise it's use here

 

[drjay9051]

That's entirely speculative, and who's to say that those guys don't have lipid profiles off the charts? They aren't immune just because they are professionals. You never know what someone's health is by looking at them. You are also speculating that they are all on, which is not the case at all. Some of them are just gifted athletes that are naturally big and strong. Not every powerlifter and every nfl player is on steroids, so let's leave the speculation where it needs to be.

The whole point is that it is not safe or advisable to run steroids at any elevated bodyfat, and we won't condone or advise it's use here

I'm not saying they are all on juice. Just "speculating" that back in the day no doubt more than a couple were on it.

You are right maybe their lipids are sky high. Possibly the big paycheck motivated them to do whatever it took to make the cut.

I agree no AAS with elevated BF%. BTW wt constitutes elevated??over 20,15 ??

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Buen:

Appreciate your input. I know the roids don't get you in shape.

Please comment on gear use by power lifters, footballers etc who clearly are way over 10-15% BF by sight alone.

You say no precautions will help in my present condition. And what of the lifters etc?

there is a huge difference with being as big as a football player and an actual NFL football player lol. just sayin

 

[rockmfhudd]

ok so we are on to the conversation of nfl lineman and power lifters on roids, its all a justification like the 17 year old that says I don't care what you say aaaahnold and rich piana did it young and nothing is wrong with them. I seriously doubt any man will just come right out in public and say well ya from my steroid use at such a young age I cant maintain an erection, my heart flutters all around, my nuts are like raisins. etc etc. there are things especially with people in the spotlight or "sex symbols" or whatever that we just don't know but to speculate that he did this or they did that is just that speculation. at 46 pigfarmer are you a candidate for trt? if so then it would be ok that you were on a low dose of test, however that doesn't justify a 5-600 mg blast per week.

anyway the whole opening to this was a little erking, " I don't need lectures" I mean you came to a community that truly cares whether you die or not, or that you don't suffer like so many others that we know or have known. this gives gear a bad name. ill give 1 example and you can take it or leave it. chris benoit wwe wrestler, roid rage and kills his kids wife and then himself. i highly doubt that he had that bad of roid rage, they forget to tell you the brain damage he had from concussions etc and any other illicit drugs he used whilst on gear, but the gear is the easy way out for the media and govt to shine a spotlight on them and tell us they are bad for us. hell too many apples a day can be bad for you but no one talks about that, lol

 

[DylanGemelli]

I'm not saying they are all on juice. Just "speculating" that back in the day no doubt more than a couple were on it.

You are right maybe their lipids are sky high. Possibly the big paycheck motivated them to do whatever it took to make the cut.

I agree no AAS with elevated BF%. BTW wt constitutes elevated??over 20,15 ??

elevated and elevated for steroid use can be entirely different... you are a very very smart guy so i'll speak to you in that manner... think about it like this bro... when you are sitting at say 20% body fat, that means your body weight is ONE FIFTH FAT... im sorry but thats extremely high... 15 is not elevated and some people carry it different but if you are elevated you clearly are demonstrating a lack of discipline and/or consistency with diet and training, which clearly does not correlate to steroid use.. this is totally discounting the health factor which is beyond evident... How can one expect to ever make real progress when they have no discipline? You might make some but ultimately you are wasting time and money as well as sacrificing health... Im not anyone's dad, and im NOT a lecturer but I am also NOT an enabler and i lay it all out on thel ine whether its what one wants to hear or not... i could care less about that.. i care about offering REAL advice that is going to help prevent others from suffering the same fate I see so many others endure... People make their own decisions and then they have to deal with them and many have to learn the hard way...

 

[drjay9051]

elevated and elevated for steroid use can be entirely different... you are a very very smart guy so i'll speak to you in that manner... think about it like this bro... when you are sitting at say 20% body fat, that means your body weight is ONE FIFTH FAT... im sorry but thats extremely high... 15 is not elevated and some people carry it different but if you are elevated you clearly are demonstrating a lack of discipline and/or consistency with diet and training, which clearly does not correlate to steroid use.. this is totally discounting the health factor which is beyond evident... How can one expect to ever make real progress when they have no discipline? You might make some but ultimately you are wasting time and money as well as sacrificing health... Im not anyone's dad, and im NOT a lecturer but I am also NOT an enabler and i lay it all out on thel ine whether its what one wants to hear or not... i could care less about that.. i care about offering REAL advice that is going to help prevent others from suffering the same fate I see so many others endure... People make their own decisions and then they have to deal with them and many have to learn the hard way...

Well said, Dylan.

I'm thinking the OP would be better served by SARM cycle but I don't know much about SARMS.

Actually I should read up on SARMS. More knowledge is a good thing.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Well said, Dylan.

I'm thinking the OP would be better served by SARM cycle but I don't know much about SARMS.

Actually I should read up on SARMS. More knowledge is a good thing.

absolutely bro.. here you go... https://www.isarms.com/selective-androgen-receptor-modulators