Yes Dylan said it perfectly. I will even back him on the tren issue. I would feel way better if I HAD to kickstart,going with trenA at a low end dose than any oral.
And adding 100-200 mg of trenE is way better than orals. Tren becomes harsh at high levels and long periods. Again...dose and duration, but tren has not shown to cause any non reversible damage at lower end doses.
This may well be an age thing. I do not mean old. I mean at some age and after enough cycles and being in tune and dialed in to your body there will be a time when you will say orals leave me feeling shot. It starts with the harsher orals. I remember swearing off halo, but stuck to dbol and adrol. Then adrol fell away. Then my last time using dbol I was dragging ass. Not to scare anyone , but Dylan already said it, so I will follow.That tiredness of not really feeling you have the energy to workout or if you just feel whipped for no reason, that is liver function my friends. Now those symptoms can come from from too much or too little estrogen, but if you are taking your arom at correct dosing then estrogen should really be a problem.
When the liver is stressed you do not remove enough toxins from the blood. This makes you feel crappy. Mental fog from orals is the combo of a stressed liver and eating any kind of flesh. Protein improperly handled by the liver produces a condition very similar to 'alcoholic encephalopathy.' The breakdown of protein always means somewhat toxic nitrogen bases, which if not removed cause fatigue and brain fog.
People with cirrosis of the liver are dying, and are told to eat no more than 40 grams of protein per day.
So my wish is for you young guys to be aware, be careful, and stay healthy.
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