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mulmolz

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Dylan, just gotta say thank you for posting all your informative videos. You're knowledge and help have been a blessing. With that said I was wondering if you could review a cycle of mine.. I also had a few questions.

So I'm 33
5'7
155 lbs 9% body fat I'd say.. Seratus, fairly defined 6 pack but can see the other 2 abs also. My visceral fat is actually less (lucky me)
I like your style of staying lean year round and taking cutting or recomp compounds more (less sides , less hard core)

I did lose a lot of weight of the last year for various reasons but I have done a cycle in the past. I think I am gyno prone or sensitive.. No issues presently but I got puffy nips and got rid of them last time (i forget which anti-e i took) it was 6 years ago. I have diet and routine down again and don't plan to do this cycle for 3-4 more months but I'm doing my home work.. A friend of mine who competes does injectibles only around the time of competing but does orals alone otherwise.. I know it's not the best option but it kind of fits with my thinking because I also hate needles .. but will use if I have too like I did before with test.. But even test alone gave me nipple issues but I was a idiot at the time and not running Aromasin and possibly low dose nolva on cycle. The knots I'd get in my ass were a issue from the test injections.. .
Goals are to get vascular, hard, get size back that I use to have but I don;t need massive size.. I'd rather drop 2% body fat and also gain 15 pounds of muscle after pct is complete. That would be amazing to me if it's possible. Because being that lean makes it look like 25 pounds just in appearance, you know what I mean :) My diet will be beyond clean, I have incredible discipline . I also plan to use amino acids a lot, Glutamine, and creatine if you feel it won't take away from looking lean . I don't want water retention. I will have high potassium intake and limit my sodium .. I also will be taking above and beyond liver support as well as using detox methods to cleanse the liver and kidneys through out cycle.. Also use EDTA which scrubs the arteries and blood flow to limit cholesterol . That's why I feel I can handle the orals, since I will be cleansing big time. My main concern is no gyno! I can keep clean But I need peace of mind with gyno.

Anyway here is some cycle scenarios


6 weeks TBOL ( 60 mg daily) (1-6)
6 weeks winstrol (50 - 75 mg daily) (7-11)
12 weeks Proviron (50 mg daily) (1-12) possibly 13 & 14 too?

**** This is the part I'm unsure of *********

Possibly run a low dose of test C for 12 weeks? like 250-300 mg

Or do the SARMS triple stack or at least LGD 4033 & RAD 140 (like you suggest) (for 10 -12 weeks)

Although I would do the orals by themselves too... Again Gyno being my biggest concer I want to make sure these compounds linit that possibility. I can handle the detox and liver support part.



Aromasin 12.5 - 25 mg every day
nolva 10-20 mg every day (I know it's not a AI but so many out there have said they have had great success using it as a prevention the entire cycle instead of waiting for gyno to pop up. They take a AI plus nolva)


prami or caber at low dose..
I know this cycle doesn't have prolactin written on it but I've heard of prolactin happening on any steroid cycle. Although rare with these compounds , better safe than sorry! It has happened and I think mine got like this with test only .. Since IGF-1 can convery to prolactin.. meaning it is possible .. not probable.

High dose B6 - for health and prolactin also.. May take cloe to 1 gram a day. I can get the bulk powder cheap

I will have letro on hand in case of gyno popping up even with Aromasin and nolva on cycle. Can't be too careful


2 weeks off after week 12 so weeks 13 & 14 maybe do proviron here? Or will these 2 weeks depend on if I do the Sarms or test right? Since they will still be in my system but the orals will not? Need clarification on that.

The proviron also is for a added anti-estrogen effect, or androgenic affect.. And also for the awesome libido and added overall recomp abilities.. Just to round out the cycle..

PCT:

Nolva 40 mg (1-3)
Nolva 20 mg (4-5)
Nolva 10 MG (6)

Clomid 50 mg (1-3)
Clomid 25 mg (4-6)

Caber or prami (1-6)

Aromasin 25 mg daily (1-8) - I plan to do Aromasin 2 more weeks since there is possibly of estrogen rebound from all the Nolva I would have been doing. Do you think this would be smart ?

Also I'll do serms on pct but I really don't want that to possibly mess me up and set me up for gyno.. Also I woud do proviron a couple weeks on PCT if you think that would help too...

As you can see I am doing a long and thought out PCT even on a 12 week cycle or 14 if you count 2 extra weeks of proviron... Let me know what you think. I would like to know the caber or prami dose in cycle and on PCT.. I know it's most likely not needed , but in the off chance anything adds to progesterone or prolactin I'd rather add it. even if it adds some txicity. Keep in mind off cycle I do a lot of detox and really clean my body up so that's my specialty. That is why I feel more than some I can handle the orals since I put in the work and preparation.

Dylan, I'd really appreciate the help man. You have taught me a lot in your videos!
 
it doesn't matter if you hate needles, if you want to run an oral, you need to take test alongside,
there is no need to have letro on hand at a test dose of 250.... aromasin will be enough ....
why are you going to run nolva on cycle .
your pct also needs sooooooo much work!!!
you want to run aromasin 25mg everyday for 8 weeks??!?!?!?!?!


stop this nonsense now , everything here is WRONG WRONG WRONG, literally EVERYTHING
 
Dylan, just gotta say thank you for posting all your informative videos. You're knowledge and help have been a blessing. With that said I was wondering if you could review a cycle of mine.. I also had a few questions.

So I'm 33
5'7
155 lbs 9% body fat I'd say.. Seratus, fairly defined 6 pack but can see the other 2 abs also. My visceral fat is actually less (lucky me)
I like your style of staying lean year round and taking cutting or recomp compounds more (less sides , less hard core)

I did lose a lot of weight of the last year for various reasons but I have done a cycle in the past. I think I am gyno prone or sensitive.. No issues presently but I got puffy nips and got rid of them last time (i forget which anti-e i took) it was 6 years ago. I have diet and routine down again and don't plan to do this cycle for 3-4 more months but I'm doing my home work.. A friend of mine who competes does injectibles only around the time of competing but does orals alone otherwise.. I know it's not the best option but it kind of fits with my thinking because I also hate needles .. but will use if I have too like I did before with test.. But even test alone gave me nipple issues but I was a idiot at the time and not running Aromasin and possibly low dose nolva on cycle. The knots I'd get in my ass were a issue from the test injections.. .
Goals are to get vascular, hard, get size back that I use to have but I don;t need massive size.. I'd rather drop 2% body fat and also gain 15 pounds of muscle after pct is complete. That would be amazing to me if it's possible. Because being that lean makes it look like 25 pounds just in appearance, you know what I mean :) My diet will be beyond clean, I have incredible discipline . I also plan to use amino acids a lot, Glutamine, and creatine if you feel it won't take away from looking lean . I don't want water retention. I will have high potassium intake and limit my sodium .. I also will be taking above and beyond liver support as well as using detox methods to cleanse the liver and kidneys through out cycle.. Also use EDTA which scrubs the arteries and blood flow to limit cholesterol . That's why I feel I can handle the orals, since I will be cleansing big time. My main concern is no gyno! I can keep clean But I need peace of mind with gyno.

Anyway here is some cycle scenarios


6 weeks TBOL ( 60 mg daily) (1-6)
6 weeks winstrol (50 - 75 mg daily) (7-11)
12 weeks Proviron (50 mg daily) (1-12) possibly 13 & 14 too?

**** This is the part I'm unsure of *********

Possibly run a low dose of test C for 12 weeks? like 250-300 mg

Or do the SARMS triple stack or at least LGD 4033 & RAD 140 (like you suggest) (for 10 -12 weeks)

Although I would do the orals by themselves too... Again Gyno being my biggest concer I want to make sure these compounds linit that possibility. I can handle the detox and liver support part.



Aromasin 12.5 - 25 mg every day
nolva 10-20 mg every day (I know it's not a AI but so many out there have said they have had great success using it as a prevention the entire cycle instead of waiting for gyno to pop up. They take a AI plus nolva)


prami or caber at low dose..
I know this cycle doesn't have prolactin written on it but I've heard of prolactin happening on any steroid cycle. Although rare with these compounds , better safe than sorry! It has happened and I think mine got like this with test only .. Since IGF-1 can convery to prolactin.. meaning it is possible .. not probable.

High dose B6 - for health and prolactin also.. May take cloe to 1 gram a day. I can get the bulk powder cheap

I will have letro on hand in case of gyno popping up even with Aromasin and nolva on cycle. Can't be too careful


2 weeks off after week 12 so weeks 13 & 14 maybe do proviron here? Or will these 2 weeks depend on if I do the Sarms or test right? Since they will still be in my system but the orals will not? Need clarification on that.

The proviron also is for a added anti-estrogen effect, or androgenic affect.. And also for the awesome libido and added overall recomp abilities.. Just to round out the cycle..

PCT:

Nolva 40 mg (1-3)
Nolva 20 mg (4-5)
Nolva 10 MG (6)

Clomid 50 mg (1-3)
Clomid 25 mg (4-6)

Caber or prami (1-6)

Aromasin 25 mg daily (1-8) - I plan to do Aromasin 2 more weeks since there is possibly of estrogen rebound from all the Nolva I would have been doing. Do you think this would be smart ?

Also I'll do serms on pct but I really don't want that to possibly mess me up and set me up for gyno.. Also I woud do proviron a couple weeks on PCT if you think that would help too...

As you can see I am doing a long and thought out PCT even on a 12 week cycle or 14 if you count 2 extra weeks of proviron... Let me know what you think. I would like to know the caber or prami dose in cycle and on PCT.. I know it's most likely not needed , but in the off chance anything adds to progesterone or prolactin I'd rather add it. even if it adds some txicity. Keep in mind off cycle I do a lot of detox and really clean my body up so that's my specialty. That is why I feel more than some I can handle the orals since I put in the work and preparation.

Dylan, I'd really appreciate the help man. You have taught me a lot in your videos!


it seems like you have done some research and then part seems like you have done none... its strange to see to be honest... however im going to attempt to fix all of this for you...

bro, you cant run orals that long without taking a break.. while you may be sopping one and switching to another, its still straight through for use... you have our times off... for six weeks it would be 7-12 not 11... regardless it makes no difference, you cannot do that man... thats way too much on your body.. if you had test, which you should always have, then you could at least throw a 2 weeks split in there... however if you want to do a serious recomp like you say is your goal, this is a horrible cycle to try to accomplish that... this cycle as it is wont do that and it will leave you feeling like complete dog shit for a long time and will put way too much strain on your body... you absolutely do not need nolva on cycle and thats overkill in a big way... crushing your estrogen is just as bad as having it elevated... you dont need it here... also, you need to understand that things like caber should never be ran if not necessary and its FAR from necessary here... it makes no sense whatsoever... not in any way... there is long term damage to the heart at risk if you run caber too long and prami is filled with nasty sides... you really dont know what your doing bro and your going to get hurt... its one thing to be safe and its another to go too far where its detrimental and your going way too far... you absolutely need serms in pct... you keep saying you dont want this and that but the things you dont want to do are very important and very necessary... there is no way i could advise you to use steroids right now.. i would never be comfortable doing that... not with everything i have read... you can get damn close to your goal if not obtain it with sarms only and you wont have to worry about most everything you are worried about with now on top of the fact that you will feel absolutely wonderful the entire cycle and perform at maximum levels... i have the cycle layout you want for your goals... you can get everything listed at www.sarmsx.com

1-12 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
 
If you don't want to pin test and hate needles, you need to stay away from steroids. Oral only cycles are a complete waste and we've covered that topic countless times. Your best options for your goals is to go with a good sarms stack from www.sarmsx.com

Here is what I'd go with myself

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/ultra-recomp-stack-12-weeks-2

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/sarms-mini-pct-stack-1
 
If you don't want to pin test and hate needles, you need to stay away from steroids. Oral only cycles are a complete waste and we've covered that topic countless times. Your best options for your goals is to go with a good sarms stack from www.sarmsx.com

Here is what I'd go with myself

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/ultra-recomp-stack-12-weeks-2

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/sarms-mini-pct-stack-1

Bump, Bumpity, Bump, Bump!
 
i hope you are seeing that everyone is saying the same thing... it will only continue so i hope your listening closely...
 
Could I do this cycle but run the RD 140 for 16 weeks ? And Drop the s4? I don;t want to deal with that possible vision issue haha.. And I would probably run the RAD!40 at 30 mg if you thought that was ok... Also since in rare cases high amounts of arms can cause slight gyno sides could I possibly runs low dose AI on cycle to be safe ? With this cycle and spot on diet and training is it conceivable to get 15 pounds of lean mass ?
 
Yes I'm definitely listening. And if I used gear my cycle was going to change a lot. It was going to be as followed

Test E 500mg - 12 weeks
TBOL 60 mg (1-6)

weeks 13 & 14 let the test out of system

start PCT week 15

Asin / Adex as On cycle AI

Then the PCT described here on files...
 
Could I do this cycle but run the RD 140 for 16 weeks ? And Drop the s4? I don;t want to deal with that possible vision issue haha.. And I would probably run the RAD!40 at 30 mg if you thought that was ok... Also since in rare cases high amounts of arms can cause slight gyno sides could I possibly runs low dose AI on cycle to be safe ? With this cycle and spot on diet and training is it conceivable to get 15 pounds of lean mass ?

Yes bro, RAD-140 can be ran 16 weeks. That is fine, and 30mg dose is also fine to run for even better results. You can drop S4 if you choose to. I understand some don't want to deal with the possibility of vision sides. You can run a low dose AI if you are gyno prone, but make sure it is a low dose. 7.5mg EOD or every 3 days with Aromasin is plenty
 
Cool Thanks ! What about the above AAS cycle? Does it look good to you? And I keep reading that stacking SARMS is pointless, since they are basically doing the same function ex (RAD140 and LGD) . . If I did the 16 week Sarm cycle would it be possible to gain 15 pound of muscle mass or is that asking too much?
 
Cool Thanks ! What about the above AAS cycle? Does it look good to you? And I keep reading that stacking SARMS is pointless, since they are basically doing the same function ex (RAD140 and LGD) . . If I did the 16 week Sarm cycle would it be possible to gain 15 pound of muscle mass or is that asking too much?

I think that's too much test for a first cycle. I wouldn't go over 350mg

I'm not sure where you read that about stacking sarms, but don't read it anymore. That couldn't be any worse and inaccurate of information. Stacking sarms is where they really shine.

Asking about how much you can gain is impossible to answer, there's too many variables to answer that for anyone. If you are very undersized with not much muscle then 15 lbs is possible with great genetics, diet and training. 15 lbs of muscle is a lot to ask for people closer to their genetic limit for any cycle. For example I'm lucky if I gain 2 lbs of muscle in a cycle now no matter how much AAS I run
 
Also could I stack a warm with the test and TBol ? Like LGD for 12 weeks ? Or do Sarms instead of the TBOl ?
 
Yes I'm definitely listening. And if I used gear my cycle was going to change a lot. It was going to be as followed

Test E 500mg - 12 weeks
TBOL 60 mg (1-6)

weeks 13 & 14 let the test out of system

start PCT week 15

Asin / Adex as On cycle AI

Then the PCT described here on files...

too high for Test. 350mg is a much better dosage for that cycle.
 
Also could I stack a warm with the test and TBol ? Like LGD for 12 weeks ? Or do Sarms instead of the TBOl ?

yes you can stack SARMS with test. but it is suggested that you do not run steroids at this time and run SARMS instead. You aren't ready for steroids right now.
 
Cool Thanks ! What about the above AAS cycle? Does it look good to you? And I keep reading that stacking SARMS is pointless, since they are basically doing the same function ex (RAD140 and LGD) . . If I did the 16 week Sarm cycle would it be possible to gain 15 pound of muscle mass or is that asking too much?


that is absurd.. if they were doing the exact same thing, noone would ever recommend them to be stacked... thats the most uneducated, stupid comment i have heard... lgd and rad have completely different benefits and functions... whoever said that is beyond clueless... depending upon the stack and how you structure diet and training, you can get 10-15 pounds...
 
Also could I stack a warm with the test and TBol ? Like LGD for 12 weeks ? Or do Sarms instead of the TBOl ?


all sarms can be ran with test or any other steroid but AS YOU WERE ADVISED, steroids were not in the equation right now...
 
Could I do this cycle but run the RD 140 for 16 weeks ? And Drop the s4? I don;t want to deal with that possible vision issue haha.. And I would probably run the RAD!40 at 30 mg if you thought that was ok... Also since in rare cases high amounts of arms can cause slight gyno sides could I possibly runs low dose AI on cycle to be safe ? With this cycle and spot on diet and training is it conceivable to get 15 pounds of lean mass ?


they are not called ARMS they are SARMS... rad, gw, sr and mk677 can all be ran 16 weeks.. the only two that have EVER been reported to possibly irritate those that are gyno prone are mk2866 and rad140, NOT ALL SARMS... you need to do far better research because every single last point you bring thats absurd, i will shoot in down immediately... you can definitely use a low dose ai if you want, it certainly wont hurt you... aromasin at half a dropper from sarmsx is perfect.. thats equal to 7.5 mg... rad is best ran at 30 mg per day... if you want a cycle going for 15 pounds, this is the one to go with.. keep in mind mk677 needs to be ran for about a year without cycling off... www.sarmsx.com

1-16 rad140 30 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-16 mk677 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
13-16 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 17-20




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
mk677 25 mg day
 
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