First cycle. Tbol and what?

[SleepinMike]

Im very new to the steroid world. Im 25 yrs old, 5'11, currently at 163lbs 11% bf, and been lifting and seriously working out for 2 years, but been wrestling and played football for 7 years. Im currently looking to bulk up to 180lbs and stay lean or leaner, and break thru the 200 on the bench and 400lbs on the deadlift. My diet is super clean, macros at 40/40/20, eating at 3200 cal a day.

I already bought some tbol, cycle support, and looking to stack it with something else. Im thinking about stacking it with winstrol. Im still iffy about injectables, since i already faint to getting flu shots, I'm not afraid of them, i just faint. Im planning on taking PCT xtreme and DAA for PCT. or do one recommend a different PCT. Im thinking about a 6 weeks cycle, 37mg tbol ED. Which uses up all of the tbol i bought.

any advice?

 

[BigBusiness]

Whatsup sleepinmike, good to have you here at Adrenaline Rush. I was a former wrestler and football player myself. Bro i would wait another two years for juice bro, keep building your base in the mean time...IMHO. Test should be your first cycle, the Tbol will shut your natty test levels down and fuck your dick up, I'm sure @ 25 you dont want that. As far as PCT you need Aromasin to run throughout your cycle to keep gyno from forming, you'll also need nolvadex and clomid to help you bounce your natural test levels back to normal after your cycle. If needles really ain't your thing then maybe you should try a SARM stack. All oral and it doesnt surpress your natty test level that much

 

[drb_iac]

Im very new to the steroid world. Im 25 yrs old, 5'11, currently at 163lbs 11% bf, and been lifting and seriously working out for 2 years, but been wrestling and played football for 7 years. Im currently looking to bulk up to 180lbs and stay lean or leaner, and break thru the 200 on the bench and 400lbs on the deadlift. My diet is super clean, macros at 40/40/20, eating at 3200 cal a day.

I already bought some tbol, cycle support, and looking to stack it with something else. Im thinking about stacking it with winstrol. Im still iffy about injectables, since i already faint to getting flu shots, I'm not afraid of them, i just faint. Im planning on taking PCT xtreme and DAA for PCT. or do one recommend a different PCT. Im thinking about a 6 weeks cycle, 37mg tbol ED. Which uses up all of the tbol i bought.

any advice?

I always like to know about how folks feel about needles. It goes unspoken too often.I am glad you stated your stance. So you want to bulk up using just orals?
Would a very small needle bother you less? Some gear made certain ways is thin and glides in. Rickrock and phurious can chime in there. You dont want to be passing out twice per week. You will need to up your cals. If you just want oral only then let us know.

 

[Saiyan]

I finally started pinning last week. I am NOT a fan of needles. I hated shots growing up. I gave blood, to do my part to help out, but hated it and wouldn't be able to watch.
I got my 25g needle ready and was shaking and starting to get rapid breathing. I am committed however, so I just took a deep breath to help stop the shaking and went for the pin. And felt nothing. Nothing at all. Even when I was injecting the test. Or pulling the needle. Nothing at all. I obviously still hate those horse needles needed to draw blood and stuff, but I can't wait for my next test pin!

My whole point is, it's not a good idea to do tbol or anything else, without a test base. As Drb said, sarms may be up our alley right now.

Either way, good luck and everyone is here to help.

 

[SleepinMike]

Whatsup sleepinmike, good to have you here at Adrenaline Rush. I was a former wrestler and football player myself. Bro i would wait another two years for juice bro, keep building your base in the mean time...IMHO. Test should be your first cycle, the Tbol will shut your natty test levels down and fuck your dick up, I'm sure @ 25 you dont want that. As far as PCT you need Aromasin to run throughout your cycle to keep gyno from forming, you'll also need nolvadex and clomid to help you bounce your natural test levels back to normal after your cycle. If needles really ain't your thing then maybe you should try a SARM stack. All oral and it doesnt surpress your natty test level that much

Thank you for the welcome! How would one develop a SARM sack? and is a SARM stack something i go to my local source for? lol.
tbol is supposedly not too harsh on side effects, such as estro and gyno. Am i right?

 

[SleepinMike]

Im very new to the steroid world. Im 25 yrs old, 5'11, currently at 163lbs 11% bf, and been lifting and seriously working out for 2 years, but been wrestling and played football for 7 years. Im currently looking to bulk up to 180lbs and stay lean or leaner, and break thru the 200 on the bench and 400lbs on the deadlift. My diet is super clean, macros at 40/40/20, eating at 3200 cal a day.

I already bought some tbol, cycle support, and looking to stack it with something else. Im thinking about stacking it with winstrol. Im still iffy about injectables, since i already faint to getting flu shots, I'm not afraid of them, i just faint. Im planning on taking PCT xtreme and DAA for PCT. or do one recommend a different PCT. Im thinking about a 6 weeks cycle, 37mg tbol ED. Which uses up all of the tbol i bought.

any advice?

I always like to know about how folks feel about needles. It goes unspoken too often.I am glad you stated your stance. So you want to bulk up using just orals?
Would a very small needle bother you less? Some gear made certain ways is thin and glides in. Rickrock and phurious can chime in there. You dont want to be passing out twice per week. You will need to up your cals. If you just want oral only then let us know.

Just orals is ideal for me right now. Even a needle prick bothers me. but let me know my options. if the needle is thin and glides in lemme know, i'll try it and see if i don't pass out or whatever lol. I'd like to hear different stacks to go with. and Up my cals by how much?

 

[RickRock]

Whatsup sleepinmike, good to have you here at Adrenaline Rush. I was a former wrestler and football player myself. Bro i would wait another two years for juice bro, keep building your base in the mean time...IMHO. Test should be your first cycle, the Tbol will shut your natty test levels down and fuck your dick up, I'm sure @ 25 you dont want that. As far as PCT you need Aromasin to run throughout your cycle to keep gyno from forming, you'll also need nolvadex and clomid to help you bounce your natural test levels back to normal after your cycle. If needles really ain't your thing then maybe you should try a SARM stack. All oral and it doesnt surpress your natty test level that much

Thank you for the welcome! How would one develop a SARM sack? and is a SARM stack something i go to my local source for? lol.
tbol is supposedly not too harsh on side effects, such as estro and gyno. Am i right?

Tbol is pretty mild, but if you are against injecting test right now, I would strongly suggest going with a sarms stack and adding Tbol to that. Sarms are available from our sponsor here Pure Essence sarms at the highest quality you will find anywhere. If you would like you can go to either the pure essence site link be.ow and check out the articles on them, or go to our video section and watch the videos Dylan made on sarms to familiarize yourself with them. Here is a setup that I think would go perfect for you

7-12 Tbol 60mg per day
1-12 LGD 10mg per day
1-12 S4 50mg per day
1-12 GW-501516 20mg per day
1-12 Cycle support

Get your sarms at the highest quality from http://www.pureessencesarms.com

PCT

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg per day
GW 20mg per day

 

[drb_iac]

I finally started pinning last week. I am NOT a fan of needles. I hated shots growing up. I gave blood, to do my part to help out, but hated it and wouldn't be able to watch.
I got my 25g needle ready and was shaking and starting to get rapid breathing. I am committed however, so I just took a deep breath to help stop the shaking and went for the pin. And felt nothing. Nothing at all. Even when I was injecting the test. Or pulling the needle. Nothing at all. I obviously still hate those horse needles needed to draw blood and stuff, but I can't wait for my next test pin!

My whole point is, it's not a good idea to do tbol or anything else, without a test base. As Drb said, sarms may be up our alley right now.

Either way, good luck and everyone is here to help.

Pinning is really a state of mind, because the big horse needles that I use really do not hurt at all. If you hit a nerve or blood vessell it is uncomfortable so stay in the glute.The 25 is about the smallest you can get away with when you are 1-2 cc. The more cc you shoot the longer it takes with the small pins.After you do it a few times it will no longer have you by the bu bu! There are some posts here on pinning.

 

[drb_iac]

Whatsup sleepinmike, good to have you here at Adrenaline Rush. I was a former wrestler and football player myself. Bro i would wait another two years for juice bro, keep building your base in the mean time...IMHO. Test should be your first cycle, the Tbol will shut your natty test levels down and fuck your dick up, I'm sure @ 25 you dont want that. As far as PCT you need Aromasin to run throughout your cycle to keep gyno from forming, you'll also need nolvadex and clomid to help you bounce your natural test levels back to normal after your cycle. If needles really ain't your thing then maybe you should try a SARM stack. All oral and it doesnt surpress your natty test level that much

Thank you for the welcome! How would one develop a SARM sack? and is a SARM stack something i go to my local source for? lol.
tbol is supposedly not too harsh on side effects, such as estro and gyno. Am i right?

Don't go looking for sarms anywhere but here. Dylan will post for you, just hold on a bit.When you do your first cycle choose a light dose of test, and eq, or test and oral winny. If you go with a base of test injectable then you can choose the oral or injectable to with it. Wait and see what Dylan posts for you.

 

[JM750]

At 5-11 and only 163 lbs. I do find it hard to believe you are eating 3000+ cals a day. I'd like to see a lay out of your diet. You should easily be able to get to 185 on your own with no AAS help. Doing an all oral cycle is def not good. Orals alone give huge side effects. I always like to throw in an oral just to compliment a real injectable cycle.
If you have a problem with needles, running gear is not for you. Unless you can get someone to inject for you and you never look at the pin at all.

You run that tbol and get shut down, and not run any injectable test, you will be crying like a baby when you can't spank one out. Or better yet, when your girl wants to go at it with you. And you can't. I'm not saying this to be an ass. It's the truth.

 

[cbbram00]

Orals only will shut you down.

Use orals with a test base or SARMS... ALWAYS!

 

[cbbram00]

Re: RE: Re: First cycle. Tbol and what?

you will be crying like a baby when you can't spank one out. Or better yet, when your girl wants to go at it with you.

LMAO!

 

[SleepinMike]

I decided to suck it up and picked up test e and insulin syringes since they're tiny, and according my research, i just need to take my time drawing and injecting. Im going to try to do a quad IM, so i will be sitting down incase if i faint.

1-10wks test-e 300mg/wk (only had enough for 1 vial)
3-8wks tbol 60mg/ED
1-10wks Cycle Support

PCT
11-14wks Aromasin 25mg ED
11-14wks Nolvadex 20mg ED
11-14wks DAA ED

Supplementing with Creatine, Glutamine, Omega 3-6-9, BCAA ratio 2:1:1, whey and casein blend.
and Im going to increase my caloric intake from 3200 to 3700 with more carbs.

What do you guys think? its pretty straightforward in my opinion, but then again, its my first cycle.

 

[SleepinMike]

At 5-11 and only 163 lbs. I do find it hard to believe you are eating 3000+ cals a day. I'd like to see a lay out of your diet. You should easily be able to get to 185 on your own with no AAS help. Doing an all oral cycle is def not good. Orals alone give huge side effects. I always like to throw in an oral just to compliment a real injectable cycle.
If you have a problem with needles, running gear is not for you. Unless you can get someone to inject for you and you never look at the pin at all.

You run that tbol and get shut down, and not run any injectable test, you will be crying like a baby when you can't spank one out. Or better yet, when your girl wants to go at it with you. And you can't. I'm not saying this to be an ass. It's the truth.

I sucked it up and picked up test-e and going with the injectable route. as for my diet, I've been having trouble gaining some weight for some time. Went from 210 to 149, 2 years ago, and been slowing stacking on weight since. But I'm upping the cals when i start with this cycle.
my daily meals and snacks look like this

When I wake up, i have a scoop of whey, some honey, and glutamine.
Breakfast- 10 egg white, peanut butter on a whole wheat english muffin.
Second Breakfast- i have 1 cup of 2% cottage cheese and 1/4 cup of steel cuts oats.
Lunch- 1/2 cup of brown rice and 4oz of tuna or 3 oz of shoulder cut steak.
After Lunch-a scoop of whey and BCAA.
First Dinner, pre work out meal, 7 oz of sweet potato or yams(idk the difference) 8 oz of chicken breast, 4 oz of california blend veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, and carrots).
Pre workout, Creatine, caffeine, and BCAA.
Post workout shake, peanut butter, scoop of whey, BCAA, Creatine. along with it a 1/2 bar of glorified candy bar aka protein bar to pump up my insulin.
late dinner, 1/4 cup of brown rice, 8oz of chicken breast, 4 oz of veggies.
and right before bed time, i drink a casein shake and some glutamine.

I usually stick with this route daily, with little or no change.

 

[SleepinMike]

At 5-11 and only 163 lbs. I do find it hard to believe you are eating 3000+ cals a day. I'd like to see a lay out of your diet. You should easily be able to get to 185 on your own with no AAS help. Doing an all oral cycle is def not good. Orals alone give huge side effects. I always like to throw in an oral just to compliment a real injectable cycle.
If you have a problem with needles, running gear is not for you. Unless you can get someone to inject for you and you never look at the pin at all.

You run that tbol and get shut down, and not run any injectable test, you will be crying like a baby when you can't spank one out. Or better yet, when your girl wants to go at it with you. And you can't. I'm not saying this to be an ass. It's the truth.

I sucked it up and picked up test-e and going with the injectable route. as for my diet, I've been having trouble gaining some weight for some time. Went from 210 to 149, 2 years ago, most of the weight was pure fat, i was a fat kid and been slowing stacking on weight ever since. But I'm upping the cals when i start with this cycle.
my daily meals and snacks look like this

When I wake up, i have a scoop of whey, some honey, 1000mg of omega 3-6-9 and glutamine.
Breakfast- 10 egg white, peanut butter on a whole wheat english muffin.
Second Breakfast- i have 1 cup of 2% cottage cheese and 1/4 cup of steel cuts oats.
Lunch- 1/2 cup of brown rice and 4oz of tuna or 3 oz of shoulder cut steak.
After Lunch-a scoop of whey and BCAA.
First Dinner, pre work out meal, 7 oz of sweet potato or yams(idk the difference) 8 oz of chicken breast, 4 oz of california blend veggies (broccoli, cauliflower, and carrots).
Pre workout, Creatine, caffeine, and BCAA.
Post workout shake, peanut butter, scoop of whey, BCAA, Creatine. along with it a 1/2 bar of glorified candy bar aka protein bar to pump up my insulin.
late dinner, 1/4 cup of brown rice, 8oz of chicken breast, 4 oz of veggies.
and right before bed time, i drink a casein shake and some glutamine.

I usually stick with this route daily, with little or no change.

 

[JM750]

Ok. You can also back load the slin pin with a bigger gage needle. You can also do sub Q shot of test. Research that as well.

 

[SleepinMike]

Alright thanks, I'm going to research on sub q.

 

[SleepinMike]

Is there such a thing to taking too much liver support? I'm thinking about adding taurine and ALA along my CycleSupport while taking Tbol.

 

[DylanGemelli]

I decided to suck it up and picked up test e and insulin syringes since they're tiny, and according my research, i just need to take my time drawing and injecting. Im going to try to do a quad IM, so i will be sitting down incase if i faint.

1-10wks test-e 300mg/wk (only had enough for 1 vial)
3-8wks tbol 60mg/ED
1-10wks Cycle Support

PCT
11-14wks Aromasin 25mg ED
11-14wks Nolvadex 20mg ED
11-14wks DAA ED

Supplementing with Creatine, Glutamine, Omega 3-6-9, BCAA ratio 2:1:1, whey and casein blend.
and Im going to increase my caloric intake from 3200 to 3700 with more carbs.

What do you guys think? its pretty straightforward in my opinion, but then again, its my first cycle.

hey bro... I don't like the layout here one bit... its completely off and needs some tremendous work... as for sarms... read my articles on them at www.pureessencesarms.com Nothing can give you the performance enhancement they can especially without the sides.... i think our jumping into steroids too early but if your intent this cycle needs fixed and bad... your pct is very incomplete and just not good as well... i have everything laid out for you below...

1-12 test 250 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 cycle assist
1-12 gw-501516 20 mg day
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

cycle assist

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[RickRock]

I decided to suck it up and picked up test e and insulin syringes since they're tiny, and according my research, i just need to take my time drawing and injecting. Im going to try to do a quad IM, so i will be sitting down incase if i faint.

1-10wks test-e 300mg/wk (only had enough for 1 vial)
3-8wks tbol 60mg/ED
1-10wks Cycle Support

PCT
11-14wks Aromasin 25mg ED
11-14wks Nolvadex 20mg ED
11-14wks DAA ED

Supplementing with Creatine, Glutamine, Omega 3-6-9, BCAA ratio 2:1:1, whey and casein blend.
and Im going to increase my caloric intake from 3200 to 3700 with more carbs.

What do you guys think? its pretty straightforward in my opinion, but then again, its my first cycle.

hey bro... I don't like the layout here one bit... its completely off and needs some tremendous work... as for sarms... read my articles on them at http://www.pureessencesarms.com Nothing can give you the performance enhancement they can especially without the sides.... i think our jumping into steroids too early but if your intent this cycle needs fixed and bad... your pct is very incomplete and just not good as well... i have everything laid out for you below...

1-12 test 250 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 cycle assist
1-12 gw-501516 20 mg day
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

cycle assist

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

This setup Dylan posted is going to be much better for you. As he pointed out, there are just too many problems with your cycle and we want to make sure you are running things the right way. I would advise you to run this cycle just the way Dylan has it, which is more ideal for you and your goals with a much more complete PCT