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First Cycle Ever! Test E: Advice/Suggestions appreciated!

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Hello All!

Let me first start off by saying its great to be part of this community! I was referred here by another member and couldn't be happier! I am still in the beginning stages of figuring everything out as I want to be as informative as possible before doing anything. I'll begin with giving you all some information about myself:

Age: 25
Height: 5'9
Weight: 150~ (fluctuates +/- 3lbs)
BF %: 13-15%
Body Type: Ectomorph, Skinny/Lean
Diet: Once I start my cycle I'll be aiming for upwards of 3,500+ calories a day
Goals: Gain up to a dry 20lbs (not sure how realistic this is)

I've been working out since I was 16, but didn't really get serious about making gains till I was about 22.

Choice of drug: Test E (500mg Test E 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks)

I've heard a lot of discussion about what AI to run (arimidex .25mg every day/aromasin 10mg every other day) during the cycle and the best PCT (novla)

I have a lot of questions regarding this so I hope all of you can help me make the best of my first cycle.

In my situation, is Test E the best options for me to use for my goals? For my first cycle is 500mg too much? I've read people taking 200-350mg as well. I'm looking to make some really solid gains. Preferably up to 20lbs of solid muscle, I am not a fan of water weight. Is injecting 2x a week for 12 weeks an optimal time frame for this cycle?

Does AI interfere with gains? I've heard some scary stuff about arimidex in regards to permanent joint pain. What are my other options and what doses would I take?

What would be the best PCT for my case? From what I've read up on: Novla 20mg 1 week after lost shot for 2 weeks and then drop it to 10mg for another 2 weeks? Should I be taking more than this? I've read 40/40/20/20 as well for stronger steroids.

PCT is taken 1 or 2 weeks after last shot? So week 1-12 of test 2x a week, I would start PCT weeks 14-15?

The next important question is where can I get all this gear from? Multiple sources or is there a 1 stop shop that I can get everything from? I've noticed a sponsors thread however there are no links (not sure if I'm just looking at the wrong spot). I see a lot of sponsors have special deals going on from time to time so whats the best bang for your buck?

How much can I expect my first cycle to run me $ wise?

I'm going to apologize in advance if any of the information I've provided above is far from what I should be doing. That's why I'm here to ask the experts! Once again I appreciate any input any of you may have to help me out!
 
Im guesssing you wont like this reply, much but I dont think that steroids are the answer for you. At 5'9", 150bs, and still not completely lean at that BF%, you need to learn how to train properly and eat properly first. After 9 yeas of lifting (3 serious) you still dont seem to have a good foundation. Sorry brother.......just my opinion.
 
Welcome brother and I can see that you have tried to research and get it right. You are on the right track. I'll give you a few pointers.

At your weight 500mg test for first time is a little high. I would try a lower dose for your first run to see how you react.

Aromasin is better to control estrogen and has better properties.

12 weeks of just test looks good and 2 injections a week of test e.

I've used pharmalady for many orders and she will have test and aromasin.

You need to definitely step up the diet and train harder to expect to get the weight up too.
 
First i think 350-400 is more than enough for a first cycle. Second you need an ai unless you are planning to have a sex change and want a pair of breasts. Yes with test e you wait 2 wks after last pin to begin pct. Now that i have spoon fed you everything you could have learned for yourself in bout 15 minutes of searching you know what to do. As for sources they are so easy to find. That is your job if you want to run a cycle. You can find one in bout 5 mins of searching. Sorry for being a little harsh but you gotta do some work for yourself its ur body so make sure you know everything you need to know
 
I appreciate the replies and opinions! I'll most likely start off with a lower dose of 350mg a week (175mg 2x a week)

Im guesssing you wont like this reply, much but I dont think that steroids are the answer for you. At 5'9", 150bs, and still not completely lean at that BF%, you need to learn how to train properly and eat properly first. After 9 yeas of lifting (3 serious) you still dont seem to have a good foundation. Sorry brother.......just my opinion.
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If my goal is to bulk, is being "lean" a requirement in order to run a cycle? My goal is to reach ~165lbs and then begin to cut.

When I stated I've been working out since I was 16, I did mostly calisthenic exercises to stay cut for the majority of my life. Getting big was never my goal back then as I preferred more of a lean/cut look. When I was in college I barely had any time to go to the gym and p90x required barely any equipment so I decided to run through the program a couple of times to stay in shape. I didn't start actually bulking till about 1.5 years where I gained roughly 30lbs (weighing ~160 at my heaviest). I'm a tough gainer so I was pretty relaxed on my diet and tried to eat as much as possible, that's where the increase in BF % comes from. I understand there's a clean way of bulking with proper dieting however I chose the latter due to certain constraints in my life at that time.

joonp thanks for the info about sources, I have no problem doing the work for myself; just needed some direction.
 
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moppy said:
hello all!

Let me first start off by saying its great to be part of this community! I was referred here by another member and couldn't be happier! I am still in the beginning stages of figuring everything out as i want to be as informative as possible before doing anything. I'll begin with giving you all some information about myself:

Age: 25
height: 5'9
weight: 150~ (fluctuates +/- 3lbs)
bf %: 13-15%
body type: Ectomorph, skinny/lean
diet: Once i start my cycle i'll be aiming for upwards of 3,500+ calories a day
goals: Gain up to a dry 20lbs (not sure how realistic this is)

***diet needs to be on point long before a cycle starts, you're very light, are you sure on your weight?

i've been working out since i was 16, but didn't really get serious about making gains till i was about 22.

Choice of drug: Test e (500mg test e 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks)

i've heard a lot of discussion about what ai to run (arimidex .25mg every day/aromasin 10mg every other day) during the cycle and the best pct (novla)

i have a lot of questions regarding this so i hope all of you can help me make the best of my first cycle.

In my situation, is test e the best options for me to use for my goals? For my first cycle is 500mg too much? I've read people taking 200-350mg as well. I'm looking to make some really solid gains. Preferably up to 20lbs of solid muscle, i am not a fan of water weight. Is injecting 2x a week for 12 weeks an optimal time frame for this cycle?

****350-400 mg's/week is sufficient for a 1st cycle. Yes pin 2x/week. 20 lbs. of solid muscle is not realistic

does ai interfere with gains? I've heard some scary stuff about arimidex in regards to permanent joint pain. What are my other options and what doses would i take?

****AI doesn't interfere if run properly.

What would be the best pct for my case? From what i've read up on: Novla 20mg 1 week after lost shot for 2 weeks and then drop it to 10mg for another 2 weeks? Should i be taking more than this? I've read 40/40/20/20 as well for stronger steroids.

Pct is taken 1 or 2 weeks after last shot? So week 1-12 of test 2x a week, i would start pct weeks 14-15?

The next important question is where can i get all this gear from? Multiple sources or is there a 1 stop shop that i can get everything from? I've noticed a sponsors thread however there are no links (not sure if i'm just looking at the wrong spot). I see a lot of sponsors have special deals going on from time to time so whats the best bang for your buck?

How much can i expect my first cycle to run me $ wise?

*****A lot. This is a very expennsive lifestyle. Never, ever skimp on anything.

I'm going to apologize in advance if any of the information i've provided above is far from what i should be doing. That's why i'm here to ask the experts! Once again i appreciate any input any of you may have to help me out!
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*****A few answers above....no need to apologize, this is how you learn
 
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i would run the test with a triple stack or super stack of sarms if you really want that 20 lbs its possible with test only but almost guaranteed with stacking with sarms lgd, s4, sr9009. rad140. I am positive Dylan or RickRock will reply with a good stack for you but i would say 12 weeks is a good one.

And welcome to the family bro
 
Moppy said:
I appreciate the replies and opinions! I'll most likely start off with a lower dose of 350mg a week (175mg 2x a week)



If my goal is to bulk, is being "lean" a requirement in order to run a cycle? My goal is to reach ~165lbs and then begin to cut.

When I stated I've been working out since I was 16, I did mostly calisthenic exercises to stay cut for the majority of my life. Getting big was never my goal back then as I preferred more of a lean/cut look. When I was in college I barely had any time to go to the gym and p90x required barely any equipment so I decided to run through the program a couple of times to stay in shape. I didn't start actually bulking till about 1.5 years where I gained roughly 30lbs (weighing ~160 at my heaviest). I'm a tough gainer so I was pretty relaxed on my diet and tried to eat as much as possible, that's where the increase in BF % comes from. I understand there's a clean way of bulking with proper dieting however I chose the latter due to certain constraints in my life at that time.

joonp thanks for the info about sources, I have no problem doing the work for myself; just needed some direction.
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You don't need to be lean if you are looking to add weight. At your stats, it will not take too much to add 20 lbs in 12 weeks. If you had done several cycles, were 200 plus pounds of muscle at your height already, I'd say 20lbs would be a lofty goal but you have nowhere to go but up. Stay at 350mg. Get used to test. Like they said, 500 is too much. It's too new for you to go that high. You will see good gains and if you eat enough and really push yourself at the gym, you can see that 20lbs. Keep us posted with a log here. I would love to watch you hit your goal.

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I think you are far too undersized for steroids right now. I think you should look into doing a nice sarms stack first, which can give you some incredible gains. Here is a nice protocol for you

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.


Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day
 
Appreciate the responses fellas. Different opinions on whether I should be taking a cycle or not, interesting. For those who don't think I should do a test cycle, what weight do you think I should be at in order to start it or what do you think I need to do/change?

Based upon what I've read because SARMS does not aromatize there will be little to no side effects? Is this true? It's new to the market (from what I've read) so has enough research been done to see what adverse affects it has on the body? What sides have experienced users encountered using SARMS? What's the advantage of doing SARMs vs. Test? Will I get the same results I am looking for?
 
Hey bro. Glad you took the time to come check this forum out. Sarms can give some ridiculous results. Go to YouTube and look up the videos by Dylan Gemelli. You'll get all the info as far as possible sides and results.


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Moppy said:
Hello All!

Let me first start off by saying its great to be part of this community! I was referred here by another member and couldn't be happier! I am still in the beginning stages of figuring everything out as I want to be as informative as possible before doing anything. I'll begin with giving you all some information about myself:

Age: 25
Height: 5'9
Weight: 150~ (fluctuates +/- 3lbs)
BF %: 13-15%
Body Type: Ectomorph, Skinny/Lean
Diet: Once I start my cycle I'll be aiming for upwards of 3,500+ calories a day
Goals: Gain up to a dry 20lbs (not sure how realistic this is)

I've been working out since I was 16, but didn't really get serious about making gains till I was about 22.

Choice of drug: Test E (500mg Test E 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks)

I've heard a lot of discussion about what AI to run (arimidex .25mg every day/aromasin 10mg every other day) during the cycle and the best PCT (novla)

I have a lot of questions regarding this so I hope all of you can help me make the best of my first cycle.

In my situation, is Test E the best options for me to use for my goals? For my first cycle is 500mg too much? I've read people taking 200-350mg as well. I'm looking to make some really solid gains. Preferably up to 20lbs of solid muscle, I am not a fan of water weight. Is injecting 2x a week for 12 weeks an optimal time frame for this cycle? 500 mgs per week is a pretty solid dosage - not too much, but not little either. I would say that it is best to inject the enanthate twice per week, even though it has a very long half life

Does AI interfere with gains? I've heard some scary stuff about arimidex in regards to permanent joint pain. What are my other options and what doses would I take? AI's don't interfere with gains, especially Aromasin, as it will also increase free test levels, as well as IGF-1 production by up to 25%, which is obviously very good for the gains. Additionally, it will improve your lipids, and will not allow any estrogen rebound to happen after the cycle is over. 10 mgs EOD is the best starting point, which can be regulated to your needs and feeling. Ideally, you would run a blood work in the middle of the cycle in order to see the estrogen levels and determine if the dosage needs to be increased, or not.

What would be the best PCT for my case? From what I've read up on: Novla 20mg 1 week after lost shot for 2 weeks and then drop it to 10mg for another 2 weeks? Should I be taking more than this? I've read 40/40/20/20 as well for stronger steroids.

PCT is taken 1 or 2 weeks after last shot? So week 1-12 of test 2x a week, I would start PCT weeks 14-15? I am a strong advocate of a very complete PCT, as the quality of the PCT will be crucial to keep as much of the gains as possible, and the best recovery will take place only with a very complete PCT. Therefore, it is best to stack nolvadex, clomid, aromasin (depending on your estrogen levels), and Ostarine MK-2866 during the PCT. Since you are going to use the enanthate version of testosterone, it is best to wait two weeks after the last pin before you start with the PCT. In those two weeks keep taking aromasin.

The next important question is where can I get all this gear from? Multiple sources or is there a 1 stop shop that I can get everything from? I've noticed a sponsors thread however there are no links (not sure if I'm just looking at the wrong spot). I see a lot of sponsors have special deals going on from time to time so whats the best bang for your buck? My suggestion here would be to go to the source section, since there you will find a lot of information on a ton of suppliers and will get the feedback from their customers. This way you will be able to make a very well informed decision.

How much can I expect my first cycle to run me $ wise?

I'm going to apologize in advance if any of the information I've provided above is far from what I should be doing. That's why I'm here to ask the experts! Once again I appreciate any input any of you may have to help me out! Do not apologize - this is a forum, which is meant for questions to be asked and answered, and for good and educated discussion. Nobody here was born with their knowledge - we all aquire it.
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I am in bold above.
 
Moppy said:
Hello All!

Let me first start off by saying its great to be part of this community! I was referred here by another member and couldn't be happier! I am still in the beginning stages of figuring everything out as I want to be as informative as possible before doing anything. I'll begin with giving you all some information about myself:

Age: 25
Height: 5'9
Weight: 150~ (fluctuates +/- 3lbs)
BF %: 13-15%
Body Type: Ectomorph, Skinny/Lean
Diet: Once I start my cycle I'll be aiming for upwards of 3,500+ calories a day
Goals: Gain up to a dry 20lbs (not sure how realistic this is)

I've been working out since I was 16, but didn't really get serious about making gains till I was about 22.

Choice of drug: Test E (500mg Test E 250mg twice a week for 12 weeks)

I've heard a lot of discussion about what AI to run (arimidex .25mg every day/aromasin 10mg every other day) during the cycle and the best PCT (novla)

I have a lot of questions regarding this so I hope all of you can help me make the best of my first cycle.

In my situation, is Test E the best options for me to use for my goals? For my first cycle is 500mg too much? I've read people taking 200-350mg as well. I'm looking to make some really solid gains. Preferably up to 20lbs of solid muscle, I am not a fan of water weight. Is injecting 2x a week for 12 weeks an optimal time frame for this cycle?

Does AI interfere with gains? I've heard some scary stuff about arimidex in regards to permanent joint pain. What are my other options and what doses would I take?

What would be the best PCT for my case? From what I've read up on: Novla 20mg 1 week after lost shot for 2 weeks and then drop it to 10mg for another 2 weeks? Should I be taking more than this? I've read 40/40/20/20 as well for stronger steroids.

PCT is taken 1 or 2 weeks after last shot? So week 1-12 of test 2x a week, I would start PCT weeks 14-15?

The next important question is where can I get all this gear from? Multiple sources or is there a 1 stop shop that I can get everything from? I've noticed a sponsors thread however there are no links (not sure if I'm just looking at the wrong spot). I see a lot of sponsors have special deals going on from time to time so whats the best bang for your buck?

How much can I expect my first cycle to run me $ wise?

I'm going to apologize in advance if any of the information I've provided above is far from what I should be doing. That's why I'm here to ask the experts! Once again I appreciate any input any of you may have to help me out!
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hey brother... welcome to isarms... im really happy you found your way over here and you will quickly find there is no other forum like this in existence... i will be glad to help you with getting going here...

i want to address to you that while you have the right idea on what to run as a first cycle, you are still a bit too undersized... when you attempt to use steroids and your already 15-20 lbs. underweight from where you could easily get naturally, you are setting yourself up for big problems... the problem here is put an insurmountable amount of strain on your joints and tendons and this leads to prolonged injury occurrence... your leave yourself susceptible to a lot of injuries, small and large, and many nagging... once you damage ligaments and tendons, stretch them, etc. they never fully repair and stay elongated... this is not something you want to occur... it adds extra internal strain as well and really only gets you to where you should be naturally... your not really accomplishing anything positive by doing this... you can use sarms to start, as they will not only have you grow gradually and safely, but will be a very strong way to introduce your body to an outside stimulus before then adding anabolics as a next cycle... i can give you a cycle layout of anabolics if you want but its not the wisest move as you can see... it will be once you get to an ideal weight... at your height, you could easily get to 165-170 with proper diet, training and the sarms addition.. i am giving you a nice lean size stack for you to start with and work your way up to an anabolic cycle... here is the layout

1-12 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
9-12 daa

Mini pct 13-16


clomid 50/25/25/25
mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
gw-501516 20 mg day
 
Great information here guys, really appreciate the responses. Watched almost all the videos regarding SARMs you had up Dylan and they're all very informative. Great job with them.

From reading up on everything I'm thinking a solid bulking diet + SARMs is the best way for me to go to get the weight I'm aiming for.

gw-501516 is used during PCT and during the cycle? I'm assuming because these help with the aid in recovery process? Interesting how PCT for SARMs is 3 weeks, is this because of the long half life? Also, all of these are to be taken orally correct? There's a slight sign of relief on my end that I don't have to be injecting myself with anything just yet!
 
Moppy said:
Great information here guys, really appreciate the responses. Watched almost all the videos regarding SARMs you had up Dylan and they're all very informative. Great job with them.

From reading up on everything I'm thinking a solid bulking diet + SARMs is the best way for me to go to get the weight I'm aiming for.

gw-501516 is used during PCT and during the cycle? I'm assuming because these help with the aid in recovery process? Interesting how PCT for SARMs is 3 weeks, is this because of the long half life? Also, all of these are to be taken orally correct? There's a slight sign of relief on my end that I don't have to be injecting myself with anything just yet!
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Your math is off bro... 13-16 is four weeks... Weeks 13, 14, 15 and 16... Gw is a pct staple, yes and perfectly safe to run that length... I assure you this is the best way for you to start... Always reference my videos and articles as well as ask any questions you have... Im here to help!
 
Hah your right, 4 weeks PCT, my bad. I'm thinking I might start a log once I get this going and provide everyone with results that I get. Appreciate all the help guys!
 
Moppy said:
Hah your right, 4 weeks PCT, my bad. I'm thinking I might start a log once I get this going and provide everyone with results that I get. Appreciate all the help guys!
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Absolutely start a log for us to follow along. Would hate for everyone to help each other out and never see the outcome!


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