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DylanGemelli said:
im doing 150/150 right now and i cant say enough about the results... well, i guess if this tells you anything... this will be my staple cruise from here on out... i may try tren at 150 but the way i feel and look with this, im inclined to just stick with it from here on out... so i think that will be an idea about how much i like it!! i would have never dreamed that i would ever even use deca and then to like it this much...
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lol DG is like frodo and drb is like gandalf. drb says to dg throw that vial of deca into the lava, DG.."no..."
 
Ive been toying with the Idea of cruising 100 cyp and 100 decca for TRT purposes. Not 100% sure what the negatives of running low doses of Decca over a long period of time is. Can somebody elaborate a little bit for me.
 
21infantry said:
Ive been toying with the Idea of cruising 100 cyp and 100 decca for TRT purposes. Not 100% sure what the negatives of running low doses of Decca over a long period of time is. Can somebody elaborate a little bit for me.
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Needs a lil more cow bell
 
21infantry said:
Ive been toying with the Idea of cruising 100 cyp and 100 decca for TRT purposes. Not 100% sure what the negatives of running low doses of Decca over a long period of time is. Can somebody elaborate a little bit for me.
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I'm not sure anybody has any real conclusive evidence on what real long term effects are, only to saying that many people have done it with blood work coming out fine, so it's been accepted as pretty safe. So to answer your question, no negatives are known that I'm aware of other maybe the typical raising of hematocrit and RBC Count over time
 
21infantry said:
Ive been toying with the Idea of cruising 100 cyp and 100 decca for TRT purposes. Not 100% sure what the negatives of running low doses of Decca over a long period of time is. Can somebody elaborate a little bit for me.
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I'm seriously looking into just adding it to my TRT.........I've stated this in another thread. Here's a pretty good write up from a guys who's been on TRT for almost 30 years (he's HIV positive). Looks like this was indeed a highly recommended protocol for men who were on TRT due to HIV induced muscle wasting. This was a very popular protocol in the 90s prescribed by doctors before AASs before the Feds came in put such controls on the drugs. See Below:

I used nandrolone for 10 years. My first book was about it.

As long as you use it with 100-200 mg of testosterone per week, you will be OK. I never had any prolactin issues on it.

200 mg of nandrolone plus 100-200 mg of testosterone once per week can do wonders. You can gain 2-3 pounds a week if you eat well and clean and do resistance exercise 4 times per week. I would add 500 IU HCG twice per week.

This is from my first book I co-authored with Michael Mooney (Built to Survive)
Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca Durabolin)

Nandrolone decanoate is a “best” anabolic steroid for men because it has less potential for androgenic or estrogenic side effects than testosterone, yet one comparison study showed that it has more anabolic potential than testosterone at lower doses.

Nandrolone, like other anabolic steroids, is not however, suitable as a substitute for testosterone for the treatment of testosterone deficiency, as it does not produce the effects on libido, quality-of- life and physical hardiness that testosterone itself does. In truth only testosterone itself is appropriate for testosterone replacement therapy.

Nandrolone’s decreased androgenic potential means that there is less chance that it will promote hair loss or enlargement of the prostate than testosterone. This is partly because testosterone’s 5-alpha reduced metabolite, called dihydrotestosterone, is more androgenic than nandrolone’s 5-alpha reduced metabolite, called dihydronandrolone. Because of its lower androgenic potential, nandrolone may also be used at low doses by women who are experiencing severe weight loss.

Nandrolone is a nor-testosterone, which means that there is no carbon at the 19 position of the molecule. This prevents the binding of the enzyme called aromatase, which converts testosterone into estrogen. While some textbooks say that this means that nandrolone should not convert to estrogen at all, nandrolone has been shown to convert to estrogen at a rate of approximately 20 percent as much as testosterone does at therapeutic doses. Therefore, nandrolone has significantly less potential to cause estrogen-related side effects such as gynecomastia (breast growth) than testosterone in men. Reduced potential for androgenic and estrogenic effects, along with its high anabolic potential makes nandrolone a very good steroid to combine with testosterone for higher-dose anabolic therapy.

Nandrolone probably converts to estrogen, not through the action of aromatase, but through the action of organic acids or alkalines in the body that act on nandrolone after it is converted to its 1-beta hydroxylated derivative. This means that estrogen inhibitors like Arimidex, which decrease the activity of aromatase, may not stop nandrolone from aromatizing to estrogen.

Frequency of Administration — Nandrolone
(Once per Week)

Pharmacokinetic studies with nandrolone decanoate also show that it is better to administer it on a weekly basis rather than biweekly or monthly, if the most consistent blood levels of the steroid are desired. While blood levels of nandrolone decanoate begin to rise in several hours, its 6-day half-life is about 20 percent longer than the half- life for testosterone enanthate or cypionate.

Note: The dosing information on the package insert for nandrolone decanoate recommends weekly administration. The dosing instructions in the package inserts for testosterone cypionate and enanthate are inadequate.

Oil-based injectable anabolic steroids are somewhat preferable to any oral steroid because of their lack of liver toxicity. The main reason that orals may be preferred is because some people have a strong aversion to injections and some doctors are reluctant to prescribe injectable drugs for self-administration.

Generic nandrolone decanoate is sold around the world as single dose vials in three different concentrations — 50 mg, 100 mg, or 200 mg per mL. The most economical product contains 200 mg per mL. Compounding pharmacies can make it (the commercial product is no longer available in pharmacies in the US)

The Pool Effect

After several injections, long-acting injectable oil-based steroids like testosterone enanthate, testosterone cypionate, and nandrolone decanoate can accumulate in the muscle tissue around the injection site in a pool. This pooling can create a longer duration of release of the steroid, which may lengthen the net lifespan of the drug in the body to some extent. Even when this is taken into account, we suggest that once-a- week administration is best to maintain the most consistent blood level of the drug.

Comparing Anabolic Effect — Nandrolone
Versus Testosterone

While there have been no controlled comparative studies of nandrolone decanoate and testosterone in HIV(+) people, studies so far suggest that at a dose of 100 mg per week, nandrolone produces more lean tissue growth than testosterone. For instance, in Dr. Julian Gold’s study of wasting men, 100 mg of nandrolone every two weeks caused a lean tissue gain of 6.6 pounds in 16 weeks, while Coodley’s study on wasting men showed that 200 mg of testosterone every two weeks produced no net gain after 12 weeks.

Gold’s study did include weight-training, though, and weight-training appears to roughly double the anabolic effect of anabolic steroids according to Dr. Bhasin’s high-dose testosterone study.

Perhaps more compelling is a comparative study of normal HIV-negative men that showed a significant weight gain with 100 mg of nandrolone decanoate per week but none with testosterone enanthate at 100 mg. In the same study, at 300 mg of nandrolone and 300 mg of testosterone, both steroids caused significant muscle gain, but there was a greater strength gain with testosterone.37 (This suggests that testosterone induces specific natural neurochemical effects that influence physical strength that may be attenuated or devoid with nandrolone.)38

There is nothing perfectly conclusive here, but these data do indicate that nandrolone probably does have more value as an anabolic agent than testosterone does at equal low replacement-like doses. This supports our proposed use of nandrolone added to replacement testosterone to increase the net anabolic effect with less potential for the androgenic or estrogenic side effects that might happen with higher than replacement dose testosterone. However, testosterone appears to have its own unique functional effects on the nervous system.

Combining Testosterone with Nandrolone to
Reduce Side Effects

We also suggest that physicians consider using a mixture of nandrolone decanoate and testosterone in equal lower doses to give some more sensitive hypogonadal men the full benefit of the androgenic properties of testosterone, but reduce the potential for its dose-related side effects. Testosterone’s androgenic characteristics impart more energy, physical strength, libido, and anti-depressive effect than nandrolone, but there is more potential for hair loss, acne, irritability, and prostate growth with testosterone, especially with increasing doses.

Nandrolone appears to add relatively more anabolic activity with a reduced potential for side effects. We see physicians prescribes 50 to 100 mg of testosterone with 50 to 100 mg of nandrolone per week to men to obtain better overall lean tissue retention, energy, and quality-of-life than can be obtained by using testosterone or nandrolone alone. There is also less potential for hair loss and other side effects with this combination.

We sometimes hear men tell us how testosterone alone makes them feel less than optimal until nandrolone is added. We have seen low dose combinations of testosterone and nandrolone used by a significant number of men to produce optimal quality of life, and suggest that physicians consider this non-standard use.
 
Cycle sounds so harsh Bro! lol My prescribed TRT dose is 160mg Test Cyp a week (administered at 80mg doses twice a week). I get labs done every 8 weeks to watch everything.......I had to finally start using an AI at about week 23 or 24. Dr. prescribed an Arimidex / DIM capsule, I take .5mg twice a week.....E2 levels are great. Everything is going great. I'm one of those high metabolizers........I have a very high absorption rate. My very first prescription was 80 mg of Test Cyp a week, then we amped it up to 120 mg a week, then finally to my current 160mg a week. The twice a week shallow IM injections really helps keep the blood levels perfect for me. My Total Test runs at about 1400, Free Test at 56 on this protocol. I'm due to get bloods done again this week, so we'll see. I've been very patient so far on this protocol not to add any other compounds until I am very sure that the TRT is totally dialed in. I'm excited to add about 150mg or 200mg a week of Deca to the protocol also with 50mg ed of Proviron and see how it goes.
 
SpikedEggnog said:
try the 200 split, you wont regret it.

Pharma Lady has a special going on for platinum biotech DECA 300 right now, if you are interested pm me or cbbram
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Yep, I'll PM you. Just got through looking at your logs with the Tbol, Test and Deca. Very nice. We have similar body types, I'm 6'3" and 225lbs.
 
TotalPackage said:
Yep, I'll PM you. Just got through looking at your logs with the Tbol, Test and Deca. Very nice. We have similar body types, I'm 6'3" and 225lbs.
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I am on Pharma lady deca 300 and dbol among some of her other stuff. I have a log going but still early in the blast.


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21infantry said:
Ive been toying with the Idea of cruising 100 cyp and 100 decca for TRT purposes. Not 100% sure what the negatives of running low doses of Decca over a long period of time is. Can somebody elaborate a little bit for me.
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there is no defnitive answer, like rick mentioned, BUT for me personally i wouldnt be concerned running a low dose like 100mg, the only thing i would worry about is making sure to cycle off of it. i wouldnt use deca for 365 days. its always best to come off from time to time. but you could alternate between SARMS and DECA or even Provi, there are many options.
 
TotalPackage said:
I'm seriously looking into just adding it to my TRT.........I've stated this in another thread. Here's a pretty good write up from a guys who's been on TRT for almost 30 years (he's HIV positive). Looks like this was indeed a highly recommended protocol for men who were on TRT due to HIV induced muscle wasting. This was a very popular protocol in the 90s prescribed by doctors before AASs before the Feds came in put such controls on the drugs. See Below:

I used nandrolone for 10 years. My first book was about it.

As long as you use it with 100-200 mg of testosterone per week, you will be OK. I never had any prolactin issues on it.

200 mg of nandrolone plus 100-200 mg of testosterone once per week can do wonders. You can gain 2-3 pounds a week if you eat well and clean and do resistance exercise 4 times per week. I would add 500 IU HCG twice per week.

This is from my first book I co-authored with Michael Mooney (Built to Survive)
Nandrolone Decanoate (Deca Durabolin)

Nandrolone decanoate is a “best” anabolic steroid for men because it has less potential for androgenic or estrogenic side effects than testosterone, yet one comparison study showed that it has more anabolic potential than testosterone at lower doses.

Nandrolone, like other anabolic steroids, is not however, suitable as a substitute for testosterone for the treatment of testosterone deficiency, as it does not produce the effects on libido, quality-of- life and physical hardiness that testosterone itself does. In truth only testosterone itself is appropriate for testosterone replacement therapy.

Nandrolone’s decreased androgenic potential means that there is less chance that it will promote hair loss or enlargement of the prostate than testosterone. This is partly because testosterone’s 5-alpha reduced metabolite, called dihydrotestosterone, is more androgenic than nandrolone’s 5-alpha reduced metabolite, called dihydronandrolone. Because of its lower androgenic potential, nandrolone may also be used at low doses by women who are experiencing severe weight loss.

Nandrolone is a nor-testosterone, which means that there is no carbon at the 19 position of the molecule. This prevents the binding of the enzyme called aromatase, which converts testosterone into estrogen. While some textbooks say that this means that nandrolone should not convert to estrogen at all, nandrolone has been shown to convert to estrogen at a rate of approximately 20 percent as much as testosterone does at therapeutic doses. Therefore, nandrolone has significantly less potential to cause estrogen-related side effects such as gynecomastia (breast growth) than testosterone in men. Reduced potential for androgenic and estrogenic effects, along with its high anabolic potential makes nandrolone a very good steroid to combine with testosterone for higher-dose anabolic therapy.

Nandrolone probably converts to estrogen, not through the action of aromatase, but through the action of organic acids or alkalines in the body that act on nandrolone after it is converted to its 1-beta hydroxylated derivative. This means that estrogen inhibitors like Arimidex, which decrease the activity of aromatase, may not stop nandrolone from aromatizing to estrogen.

Frequency of Administration — Nandrolone
(Once per Week)

Pharmacokinetic studies with nandrolone decanoate also show that it is better to administer it on a weekly basis rather than biweekly or monthly, if the most consistent blood levels of the steroid are desired. While blood levels of nandrolone decanoate begin to rise in several hours, its 6-day half-life is about 20 percent longer than the half- life for testosterone enanthate or cypionate.

Note: The dosing information on the package insert for nandrolone decanoate recommends weekly administration. The dosing instructions in the package inserts for testosterone cypionate and enanthate are inadequate.

Oil-based injectable anabolic steroids are somewhat preferable to any oral steroid because of their lack of liver toxicity. The main reason that orals may be preferred is because some people have a strong aversion to injections and some doctors are reluctant to prescribe injectable drugs for self-administration.

Generic nandrolone decanoate is sold around the world as single dose vials in three different concentrations — 50 mg, 100 mg, or 200 mg per mL. The most economical product contains 200 mg per mL. Compounding pharmacies can make it (the commercial product is no longer available in pharmacies in the US)

The Pool Effect

After several injections, long-acting injectable oil-based steroids like testosterone enanthate, testosterone cypionate, and nandrolone decanoate can accumulate in the muscle tissue around the injection site in a pool. This pooling can create a longer duration of release of the steroid, which may lengthen the net lifespan of the drug in the body to some extent. Even when this is taken into account, we suggest that once-a- week administration is best to maintain the most consistent blood level of the drug.

Comparing Anabolic Effect — Nandrolone
Versus Testosterone

While there have been no controlled comparative studies of nandrolone decanoate and testosterone in HIV(+) people, studies so far suggest that at a dose of 100 mg per week, nandrolone produces more lean tissue growth than testosterone. For instance, in Dr. Julian Gold’s study of wasting men, 100 mg of nandrolone every two weeks caused a lean tissue gain of 6.6 pounds in 16 weeks, while Coodley’s study on wasting men showed that 200 mg of testosterone every two weeks produced no net gain after 12 weeks.

Gold’s study did include weight-training, though, and weight-training appears to roughly double the anabolic effect of anabolic steroids according to Dr. Bhasin’s high-dose testosterone study.

Perhaps more compelling is a comparative study of normal HIV-negative men that showed a significant weight gain with 100 mg of nandrolone decanoate per week but none with testosterone enanthate at 100 mg. In the same study, at 300 mg of nandrolone and 300 mg of testosterone, both steroids caused significant muscle gain, but there was a greater strength gain with testosterone.37 (This suggests that testosterone induces specific natural neurochemical effects that influence physical strength that may be attenuated or devoid with nandrolone.)38

There is nothing perfectly conclusive here, but these data do indicate that nandrolone probably does have more value as an anabolic agent than testosterone does at equal low replacement-like doses. This supports our proposed use of nandrolone added to replacement testosterone to increase the net anabolic effect with less potential for the androgenic or estrogenic side effects that might happen with higher than replacement dose testosterone. However, testosterone appears to have its own unique functional effects on the nervous system.

Combining Testosterone with Nandrolone to
Reduce Side Effects

We also suggest that physicians consider using a mixture of nandrolone decanoate and testosterone in equal lower doses to give some more sensitive hypogonadal men the full benefit of the androgenic properties of testosterone, but reduce the potential for its dose-related side effects. Testosterone’s androgenic characteristics impart more energy, physical strength, libido, and anti-depressive effect than nandrolone, but there is more potential for hair loss, acne, irritability, and prostate growth with testosterone, especially with increasing doses.

Nandrolone appears to add relatively more anabolic activity with a reduced potential for side effects. We see physicians prescribes 50 to 100 mg of testosterone with 50 to 100 mg of nandrolone per week to men to obtain better overall lean tissue retention, energy, and quality-of-life than can be obtained by using testosterone or nandrolone alone. There is also less potential for hair loss and other side effects with this combination.

We sometimes hear men tell us how testosterone alone makes them feel less than optimal until nandrolone is added. We have seen low dose combinations of testosterone and nandrolone used by a significant number of men to produce optimal quality of life, and suggest that physicians consider this non-standard use.
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built to survive eh? thats Drb's bread and butter book lol..that has a LOT of good material in it. people fail to realize that DECA is a medical steroid and has been around for a long time. it is not common practice anymore to prescribe DECA like it used to be, but the therapeutic doses do wonders. just ask Dylan, he is on 150 and is reaping 100% benefit with no sides
 
TotalPackage said:
Cycle sounds so harsh Bro! lol My prescribed TRT dose is 160mg Test Cyp a week (administered at 80mg doses twice a week). I get labs done every 8 weeks to watch everything.......I had to finally start using an AI at about week 23 or 24. Dr. prescribed an Arimidex / DIM capsule, I take .5mg twice a week.....E2 levels are great. Everything is going great. I'm one of those high metabolizers........I have a very high absorption rate. My very first prescription was 80 mg of Test Cyp a week, then we amped it up to 120 mg a week, then finally to my current 160mg a week. The twice a week shallow IM injections really helps keep the blood levels perfect for me. My Total Test runs at about 1400, Free Test at 56 on this protocol. I'm due to get bloods done again this week, so we'll see. I've been very patient so far on this protocol not to add any other compounds until I am very sure that the TRT is totally dialed in. I'm excited to add about 150mg or 200mg a week of Deca to the protocol also with 50mg ed of Proviron and see how it goes.
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adding deca and provi to your trt is going to add a LOT of benefits with little to no sides
 
TotalPackage said:
Yep, I'll PM you. Just got through looking at your logs with the Tbol, Test and Deca. Very nice. We have similar body types, I'm 6'3" and 225lbs.
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6'3" 225 eh? very nice man. you see when you are tall like us people dont realize how big you are. i noticed shorter people look bigger in pics and videos but in real life they are small looking. yet its the opposite for us tall people. we look scronny in pics and videos but when people see us in real life, they are like DANG dude you are big. its just because we have such long muscle bellies it makes us look somewhat strung out although the muscle itself is actually big.

so the goal is to look Big ALL the time lol..
 
SpikedEggnog said:
6'3" 225 eh? very nice man. you see when you are tall like us people dont realize how big you are. i noticed shorter people look bigger in pics and videos but in real life they are small looking. yet its the opposite for us tall people. we look scronny in pics and videos but when people see us in real life, they are like DANG dude you are big. its just because we have such long muscle bellies it makes us look somewhat strung out although the muscle itself is actually big.

so the goal is to look Big ALL the time lol..
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You got it bro! I saw that your arms are 18 inches holy jesus that's huge! But on a guy that's six foot five you probably don't even think your arms are that big do you hey? Mine are only 17 and a half I measure them cold though. They probably swell up to 18 inches after a workout!

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SpikedEggnog said:
built to survive eh? thats Drb's bread and butter book lol..that has a LOT of good material in it. people fail to realize that DECA is a medical steroid and has been around for a long time. it is not common practice anymore to prescribe DECA like it used to be, but the therapeutic doses do wonders. just ask Dylan, he is on 150 and is reaping 100% benefit with no sides
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Yeah, I'm on Nelson's forum for TRT. Nelson is awesome.........tons of information. He's really groundbreaking and helping a lot of Dr's and clinics with proper protocol for TRT and men's health in general. Very good guy.
 
SpikedEggnog said:
deca + dbol? get ready to EAT and blow up
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Today was day 8. Still waiting for the dbol to kick in so I'm stoked it has to be soon. I'm trying to ramp up my food intake. Work makes it hard sometimes but fighting to where I can.


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DylanGemelli said:
im doing 150/150 right now and i cant say enough about the results... well, i guess if this tells you anything... this will be my staple cruise from here on out... i may try tren at 150 but the way i feel and look with this, im inclined to just stick with it from here on out... so i think that will be an idea about how much i like it!! i would have never dreamed that i would ever even use deca and then to like it this much...
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I love love love Deca and tren... Your cruise is a thing of beauty to me.
 
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