Body Fat Percentage

[Swole steelers]

Once you get to that bf percent you can see what's growing when you start bulking I know everybody wants to get big do it right for a better look

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[JeffFran]

Once you get to that bf percent you can see what's growing when you start bulking I know everybody wants to get big do it right for a better look

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Exactly. Previously I thought that I must be big, that was the most important thing then I realized that was a major error. I think that someone needs to be in the right condition (10-13bf%) and then bulk because the gains will be much more noticeable and you will look much better.

 

[Swole steelers]

You got dude took me 5 years to figure out to much ego

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[Gymjunkie38]

Nice point. But I already have a clean diet almost since I started weight lifting. I'm very restricted with my diet. The carbs I consume are: Oatmeal, potatoes, banana(post workout) and that's pretty much it. Fats: Nuts and avocado. I could put here a before picture and you will see how much progress I've made so far.

The main point of my statement was you are still very far from your natural potential. You need too add at least 15 lbs of lean muscle and drop too around 12 percent bodyfat at least before you consider steroids . remember under 15 percent is what we consider safe but I dont beleive on short cuts my personal opinion is steroids are for achieving what is otherwise not possible if you cant build a impressive natural phyique i dont think youve paid your dues

Eat at just a slight defecit bro, since fat loss is a priority at the moment

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[JeffFran]

The main point of my statement was you are still very far from your natural potential. You need too add at least 15 lbs of lean muscle and drop too around 12 percent bodyfat at least before you consider steroids . remember under 15 percent is what we consider safe but I dont beleive on short cuts my personal opinion is steroids are for achieving what is otherwise not possible if you cant build a impressive natural phyique i dont think youve paid your dues



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I think steroids should be used when your natural potential is reached. However, I think If someone wants to use it, it's their call, because they want to accomplish their goals. I do not consume alcohol, smoke or do any drugs but I do not condemn someone who does it.
The main problem here is the following. I do not have much muscle and I do have some fat. And I always heard so many advices from almost everywhere and some say that you should bulk first and then cut, some say otherwise. I did bulk and I didn't like the results as we can all see by the pictures I have shared. But when I reach around 12 percent body fat I will do anything in my power to add the most lean muscle possible and If I add lean muscle my bf% will decrease even though my fat is the same. I know that is a long process, it's a marathon not a sprint. But it takes time and consistency, and sometimes it's hard when you don't see noticeable results If any.
Your opinions are very valuable and help me a lot.
I will research a bit about sarms and see how pricey they are and then maybe I will consider do them.

 

[JeffFran]

You got dude took me 5 years to figure out to much ego

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But you learn with your mistakes and then you adjust and become better. That's the mindset to succeed. If we put on the hard work it will eventually pay off.

 

[Swole steelers]

Yes sir

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[Gymjunkie38]

I think steroids should be used when your natural potential is reached. However, I think If someone wants to use it, it's their call, because they want to accomplish their goals. I do not consume alcohol, smoke or do any drugs but I do not condemn someone who does it.
The main problem here is the following. I do not have much muscle and I do have some fat. And I always heard so many advices from almost everywhere and some say that you should bulk first and then cut, some say otherwise. I did bulk and I didn't like the results as we can all see by the pictures I have shared. But when I reach around 12 percent body fat I will do anything in my power to add the most lean muscle possible and If I add lean muscle my bf% will decrease even though my fat is the same. I know that is a long process, it's a marathon not a sprint. But it takes time and consistency, and sometimes it's hard when you don't see noticeable results If any.
Your opinions are very valuable and help me a lot.
I will research a bit about sarms and see how pricey they are and then maybe I will consider do them.

Ok here goes the main point of what Im getting at is your body has a set point homeostasis when your far from it less muscle than it wants more fat than it needs changes come incredibly easy hence NEWBIE GAINS everyones first couple years lifting once you add that first 15 lbs of muscle and the abs start showing progress slows dramaticaly. During this stage you need too not wrap your head arpund bulk or cut bs eat at maintenance clean whole foods and lift heavy and get some cardio in you will build muscle and lean out at the same time during this stage thats what I was getting at once those gains stop thats when you have too start overthinking it

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[JeffFran]

Shoot for 500, watch results over the course of 2-3 weeks and evaluate whether it's working at all, or not fast enough and adjust if necessary. Rinse and repeat.

I've been doing 800 deficit for 4 week and I've dropped around 8lbs. I measured myself and my muscles are not any smaller

 

[rockmfhudd]

just stay your course brother you will get there, you see you have already dropped lbs. I guess the entire point when people say bulk and then cut. is that they are talking about if you are already leaned out at 12% bf or less and you want to bulk (not eat shitty) just eat more then cut any fat that may have been gained. for me and you sitting above 15% we have to have the caloric deficit so it is more cutting than anything else. im right there with you bro. its a marathon and it aint happening overnight

 

[DylanGemelli]

I think steroids should be used when your natural potential is reached. However, I think If someone wants to use it, it's their call, because they want to accomplish their goals. I do not consume alcohol, smoke or do any drugs but I do not condemn someone who does it.
The main problem here is the following. I do not have much muscle and I do have some fat. And I always heard so many advices from almost everywhere and some say that you should bulk first and then cut, some say otherwise. I did bulk and I didn't like the results as we can all see by the pictures I have shared. But when I reach around 12 percent body fat I will do anything in my power to add the most lean muscle possible and If I add lean muscle my bf% will decrease even though my fat is the same. I know that is a long process, it's a marathon not a sprint. But it takes time and consistency, and sometimes it's hard when you don't see noticeable results If any.
Your opinions are very valuable and help me a lot.
I will research a bit about sarms and see how pricey they are and then maybe I will consider do them.

your right in saying its everyone choice, as it most definitely is... however, your a million miles off with saying its okay because they want to accomplish their goals... there wont be any goals met if you run steroids at the wrong time.. if your doing something highly detrimental or something that will ensure a future of problems, im not seeing how that would accomplish anything... that's because it would not.. it will only set you back further.. its idiotic and thats being very polite about t... if your not ready for it, your not consistent with everything for many years, are not fully developed, have not reached potential, etc. then using steroids will do nothing but cause a future of problems... you are correct about the marathon and not a sprint... ive been saying that for years... this is a PROCESS and its a LONG one but you WANT that... you want it to last... you want longevity in this... thats whats important... you dont want to bulk first if your already overweight or fighting to make a certain body fat... thats as backwards and once again, idiotic as it gets... you dont bulk until you've shown the ability to control your weight in a healthy way... whoever is giving that information is not one i would go back to for anything related to this...

i feel you have a good head on your shoulders and you will surpass your goals... stay on the right track and you most certainly will... the only person or thing that can stop you is you... if you have any questions, dont hesitate to let me know...

 

[JeffFran]

your right in saying its everyone choice, as it most definitely is... however, your a million miles off with saying its okay because they want to accomplish their goals... there wont be any goals met if you run steroids at the wrong time.. if your doing something highly detrimental or something that will ensure a future of problems, im not seeing how that would accomplish anything... that's because it would not.. it will only set you back further.. its idiotic and thats being very polite about t... if your not ready for it, your not consistent with everything for many years, are not fully developed, have not reached potential, etc. then using steroids will do nothing but cause a future of problems... you are correct about the marathon and not a sprint... ive been saying that for years... this is a PROCESS and its a LONG one but you WANT that... you want it to last... you want longevity in this... thats whats important... you dont want to bulk first if your already overweight or fighting to make a certain body fat... thats as backwards and once again, idiotic as it gets... you dont bulk until you've shown the ability to control your weight in a healthy way... whoever is giving that information is not one i would go back to for anything related to this...

i feel you have a good head on your shoulders and you will surpass your goals... stay on the right track and you most certainly will... the only person or thing that can stop you is you... if you have any questions, dont hesitate to let me know...

Thank you very much for your words. I trully want to accomplish my goals and I will sacrifice many things to reach it. Anything comes easy and If it does it will not last for long. How could I ask you something when I've some questions?

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

I think steroids should be used when your natural potential is reached. However, I think If someone wants to use it, it's their call, because they want to accomplish their goals. I do not consume alcohol, smoke or do any drugs but I do not condemn someone who does it.
The main problem here is the following. I do not have much muscle and I do have some fat. And I always heard so many advices from almost everywhere and some say that you should bulk first and then cut, some say otherwise. I did bulk and I didn't like the results as we can all see by the pictures I have shared. But when I reach around 12 percent body fat I will do anything in my power to add the most lean muscle possible and If I add lean muscle my bf% will decrease even though my fat is the same. I know that is a long process, it's a marathon not a sprint. But it takes time and consistency, and sometimes it's hard when you don't see noticeable results If any.
Your opinions are very valuable and help me a lot.
I will research a bit about sarms and see how pricey they are and then maybe I will consider do them.

Yes it is anyones call, but usually that someone that makes that call to use steroids before they reach potential has no idea what they are doing in the first place. Which is why we here that know what the hell were doing never recommend rushing into drug use that they know nothing about

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thank you very much for your words. I trully want to accomplish my goals and I will sacrifice many things to reach it. Anything comes easy and If it does it will not last for long. How could I ask you something when I've some questions?

Just send me a pm anytime you have a question bro

 

[JeffFran]

Just send me a pm anytime you have a question bro

I already sent a pm, thanks Dylan!