56 year old steroids

[womoclean]

I am 6'2 | 240 | mesomorph | 25% bf.

I am launching my first cycle ever, my body (due to age) has virtually stopped producing test so question #1 should I not cycle and simply stay ON year round, or run an aggressive cycle for a few months and reduce to replacement doses for a few months -- then repeat? I still have very ambitious goals to improve aesthetically, gain size and increase strength.

I went to an anti aging doc who prescribed me 100mg \ week of test cyp and overcharged me dramatically for the test, blood work and consult....what a racket I fear that such a moderate dose will not be adequate given my objectives listed above and my passion for younger women.

I compete in full contact martial arts tournaments and have since i was 6 years old. i plan to continue for the foreseeable future. i am hoping the gear will help with recovery which is currently my biggest challenge as a competitor

.... I have chosen napsgear.org based upon advice from a trainer...you might care to comment on if the site looks credible.

Thank you for your selfless sharing and I wish you health and prosperity in the coming year.

 

[RickRock]

I am 6'2 | 240 | mesomorph | 25% bf.

I am launching my first cycle ever, my body (due to age) has virtually stopped producing test so question #1 should I not cycle and simply stay ON year round, or run an aggressive cycle for a few months and reduce to replacement doses for a few months -- then repeat? I still have very ambitious goals to improve aesthetically, gain size and increase strength.

I went to an anti aging doc who prescribed me 100mg \ week of test cyp and overcharged me dramatically for the test, blood work and consult....what a racket I fear that such a moderate dose will not be adequate given my objectives listed above and my passion for younger women.

I compete in full contact martial arts tournaments and have since i was 6 years old. i plan to continue for the foreseeable future. i am hoping the gear will help with recovery which is currently my biggest challenge as a competitor

.... I have chosen napsgear.org based upon advice from a trainer...you might care to comment on if the site looks credible.

Thank you for your selfless sharing and I wish you health and prosperity in the coming year.

Are you on TRT now or did you discontinue? What were your levels at before TRT?

Also based on your stats right now you shouldn't be doing any cycle beyond TRT doses until you can get into better condition. Your bodyfat is way too high right now


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[DylanGemelli]

bro, stop this absurdity right now, seriously STOP... this is ridiculous... your 1/4 body fat bro... thats NOTHING even close to using steroids and indicates you simply want a shortcut that does not exist... anyone with half a brain would NEVER advise steroid use to you.. trt is one thing but running cycles, NO WAY... i wouldnt advise it if you paid me... you need to be in the 12-13% range to use steroids... this is just ridiculous, seriously... you have other options to get help you get into the proper condition but this is just ridiculous... if your not familiar with sarms, start with my articles here... https://www.isarms.com/selective-androgen-receptor-modulators Let me know and i will be happy to set you up a sarms cycle with your trt... watch this video on sarms with trt... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JK6iCcvumY&t=1s

 

[Dorin76]

I am 6'2 | 240 | mesomorph | 25% bf.

I am launching my first cycle ever, my body (due to age) has virtually stopped producing test so question #1 should I not cycle and simply stay ON year round, or run an aggressive cycle for a few months and reduce to replacement doses for a few months -- then repeat? I still have very ambitious goals to improve aesthetically, gain size and increase strength.

I went to an anti aging doc who prescribed me 100mg \ week of test cyp and overcharged me dramatically for the test, blood work and consult....what a racket I fear that such a moderate dose will not be adequate given my objectives listed above and my passion for younger women.

I compete in full contact martial arts tournaments and have since i was 6 years old. i plan to continue for the foreseeable future. i am hoping the gear will help with recovery which is currently my biggest challenge as a competitor

.... I have chosen napsgear.org based upon advice from a trainer...you might care to comment on if the site looks credible.

Thank you for your selfless sharing and I wish you health and prosperity in the coming year.

Dude, stop please! Lets get some things fixed first. Understand am close to same age as you and also student RN, so I know quite a bit at what am talking about. 1. Test cyp? If that is your prescription, keep taking it. BUT NO WAY should you consider doing anything else until you get this body fat content down to HALF of what is now!! Serious, ok? You need to think of this as lifetime of commitment much like being married. This is no such thing as quick fix and if you ae to get on progamme ow? It will bite you in ass and because of ou ages? This must be well planned out.

Talk to Dylan about SARMS while taking your testosterone. You should keep using your TRT because a man being low on Test will definitely make you feel like loss of enegie, sluggish, tired, body fat goes up and cardio will wear you out faster. Also look into Nutrition and find some one at local health food store about male herbs that can help you body try to correct what has gone wrong. As a Medic, Am VERY much in favour of naturopathic remedies, but it does not mean there is not junk science out thee.

I do not like to give medical advice on the board because it piss a lot of people off sometimes, but PM me if I can be any help! Medical profession is what I do! But start looking at you health as one big picture and something you will commit to for est of you life.

I get it. You and I are in this for similar reasons, but lets do it right. I Choose a programme and am in medical profession, which takes a lot of energie from me, to help people with Orthopaedic injuries and disorders to get their life back and be as self sufficient and independent/healthy as possible and not be of disable person mentality!

 

[jp1957]

If you already on trt, then stick with a therapeutic dose, and run a wicked ass sarms stack along with it. (lgd, S4, Rad, and gw). You "could" bump your test up to 150-200, but really depends on your bloods. If you get 1000, I'd be happier than a pig in shit)

You mentioned napsgear as a source, bleh, come to valhalla(board search) brother, its the shiznit on a shizzle stick

 

[DylanGemelli]

please let me know you are reading this and understand before you destroy yourself man

 

[womoclean]

Thank you ALL so much

thanks guys....

not the answers that I expected... but often that is the best advice... I (assumed) that the cycle would help with fat loss while promoting desired gains....we all know what happens when you assume.... esp as a novice.

question?

I have one of those builds that I can can watch someone else work out and get bigger and stronger -- kidding but you get the point--- but getting lean is more difficult (partly genetics, partly nutritional discipline) What is it about carrying 12-15% more body weight that ideal for a 56 year old man that makes a cycle so devastating to your health? Not challenging the experts just grasping for a better understanding.

Thank you ALL so much I can feel your legitimate concern for my well being in your responses.

BTW ...my blood test level was 271

 

[jp1957]

Its how steroids react when your bf is too high.

Like I said above, a therapeutic TRT dose and a wicked sarms stack, you can put on a crap load of muscle. I wish I could but my natural test is 600, and at 59, I cant risk the shutdown and not coming back.

 

[DylanGemelli]

thanks guys....

not the answers that I expected... but often that is the best advice... I (assumed) that the cycle would help with fat loss while promoting desired gains....we all know what happens when you assume.... esp as a novice.

question?

I have one of those builds that I can can watch someone else work out and get bigger and stronger -- kidding but you get the point--- but getting lean is more difficult (partly genetics, partly nutritional discipline) What is it about carrying 12-15% more body weight that ideal for a 56 year old man that makes a cycle so devastating to your health? Not challenging the experts just grasping for a better understanding.

Thank you ALL so much I can feel your legitimate concern for my well being in your responses.

BTW ...my blood test level was 271

body fat has nothing to do with your age... you are FAR more susceptible to many side effects when using steroids at an elevated body fat... by all means, you can do whatever you like but i never put people in danger or at risk of any type of injury and you will eventually learn the very hard way by doing this... with a test level of 271, you are going to have a very very hard time cutting any fat... why was trt not brought up?

 

[Dorin76]

thanks guys....

not the answers that I expected... but often that is the best advice... I (assumed) that the cycle would help with fat loss while promoting desired gains....we all know what happens when you assume.... esp as a novice.

question?

I have one of those builds that I can can watch someone else work out and get bigger and stronger -- kidding but you get the point--- but getting lean is more difficult (partly genetics, partly nutritional discipline) What is it about carrying 12-15% more body weight that ideal for a 56 year old man that makes a cycle so devastating to your health? Not challenging the experts just grasping for a better understanding.

Thank you ALL so much I can feel your legitimate concern for my well being in your responses.

BTW ...my blood test level was 271

Problem is when body fat is high like yours, steroids will convert to estrogen through aromatisation process! Estrogen is female hormone and us as dudes? We NEED some for oxygen distribution in outmr bodies as well as bone growth and repairs. Too much though and your testosterone will drop even harder downward and that will be even harder to reciver from!

You really need to look onto Testosterone Replacement Therapy!

Dylan is correct, get body fat down first! Steroid have nozhing to do with fat loss. This is where excersise and fiet come in! However, dude, you sound line a perfect client for Sarms to help get weight under control! I notice with GW 501516, my natural test levels did improve a bit! It may work same for you too! I would definitely consider seeing a Doctor about TRT! I am doing it to supplement my own body production of Testosterone and it really makes big difference in my life. Sex drive is way up and fat is coming off! I was as heavy fat comtent as you, if not more! (31.3%!!!) Trust me! Is worth the wait! I did not begin serious recomp workout intil I get down to 13% and it was worth it! Pm me if you need something from me. Am acute care medic and student RN!


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[womoclean]

Thanks for all of your help and insight....my doc has prescribed 200mg of test cyp weekly and I will put that to work with a proper diet / cardio / resistance routine... get my bf to sub 15% and revisit the cycle issue...

Historically I have had success with ECA stack (years ago before it was banned.... recently my trainer told me to buy Bronkaid- caffeine tabs- baby aspirin and combine as a make shift ECA thermogenic fat burner (what to you guys think about that) ALSO should I consider growth hormone (hgh) or simply wait on that as well until I get my fat down to sub 15%?

Obviously, I am trying to aid a leaning out process as I used to eat whatever I wanted and stayed relatively lean and currently eat a relatively clean high protein/ low carb diet and cant seem to cut get a pound off without using a chainsaw I hope the trt will raise my test levels enough to help the fat loss process.

You guys are great... what a resource...thanks for everything...

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for all of your help and insight....my doc has prescribed 200mg of test cyp weekly and I will put that to work with a proper diet / cardio / resistance routine... get my bf to sub 15% and revisit the cycle issue...

Historically I have had success with ECA stack (years ago before it was banned.... recently my trainer told me to buy Bronkaid- caffeine tabs- baby aspirin and combine as a make shift ECA thermogenic fat burner (what to you guys think about that) ALSO should I consider growth hormone (hgh) or simply wait on that as well until I get my fat down to sub 15%?

Obviously, I am trying to aid a leaning out process as I used to eat whatever I wanted and stayed relatively lean and currently eat a relatively clean high protein/ low carb diet and cant seem to cut get a pound off without using a chainsaw I hope the trt will raise my test levels enough to help the fat loss process.

You guys are great... what a resource...thanks for everything...

You are headed in the right direction with TRT, so I'm glad you have that under way. ECA is ok, but it is nothing substantial for fat loss. I'd highly recommend adding in sarms to your TRT to accelerate your fat loss. You can also make some nice gains in strength and lean mass on it as well

The enhanced super stack would go perfectly with TRT and be perfect for your goals

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/enhanced-super-stack-12-weeks

1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)



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[buen]

You really need to look onto Testosterone Replacement Therapy! You are not replacing all your testosterone, but up to a certain point you add to it!
I am doing it to supplement my own body production of Testosterone


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Sorry brother... I don't mean to flame you....but I just can't stand by and let incorrect info get propagated

TRT is REPLACEMENT ! When on trt you don't produce ANY natural testosterone...you do NOT add to it
Please check your facts

 

[Dorin76]

Sorry brother... I don't mean to flame you....but I just can't stand by and let incorrect info get propagated

TRT is REPLACEMENT ! When on trt you don't produce ANY natural testosterone...you do NOT add to it
Please check your facts

I have and are correct. Up to a certain point you can add to your natural testosterone without shutting down your own testosterone. Please chec your facts.


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[buen]

It's called testosterone replacement therapy for a reason.... if your TRT produces a blood serum level above your natural serum level....YOU WILL BE SHUT DOWN

It's really not possible to "add to" your natural test production
There isn't any testosterone supplementation protocol

Please consult with endrocinology text on this subject

 

[Dorin76]

It's called testosterone replacement therapy for a reason.... if your TRT produces a blood serum level above your natural serum level....YOU WILL BE SHUT DOWN

It's really not possible to "add to" your natural test production
There isn't any testosterone supplementation protocol

Please consult with endrocinology text on this subject

I have. Am in medical field. It used to be thought that once on TRT your body stopped producing its own. For many is true. Bit newer clinical studies out now siggest that LOW dose of trt do not shut you down. But this is not true for sll men! If your count is 300mg/dL or less, it is possible to bring testosterone levels back up in 500 to 700mg/dL with as little as 100mg per week.

But other cinsideration needs to be accounted for! If you are typical average American male, tgen yiu are part of most unhealthy people on planet and need to make serios lifestyle changes! Lose weight, rxcersise, cut white process sugar, get off the sofa and do something besides push buttons on remote control!

Thing are changing fast and I will never stop going to school because of new discoveries. This has only been discovered ij the last two years where things we thought we knew may be wrong! If you are willing to maje drastic life style change, is possible with naturopathic remedies and some Testosterone replacement, you can boost your test levels without shutdown.

Men getting 100 mg in each week along with many changes to their life habits have brought test levels back into 700 to 100 range. This study, while still new, is making us explore option with your doctor to see if you might be in this classification.

I get I have priviledge knowledge, but Now we are looking at giving the patient as little medication and therapy to help their own bodies rebuild natural process with promising results!

Hiwever, I should say ask your doctor! You need professional help with this one and my original post is not complete correct because I left this out! It will be deleted.


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[Dorin76]

It's called testosterone replacement therapy for a reason.... if your TRT produces a blood serum level above your natural serum level....YOU WILL BE SHUT DOWN

It's really not possible to "add to" your natural test production
There isn't any testosterone supplementation protocol

Please consult with endrocinology text on this subject

Your key phrase here was "If your test rises above NATURAL serum level, you will be shut down." That is still correct!
But we are looking at patient history to determine what natural level is and what made it drop. And how to correct.

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[rockmfhudd]

sarms with your trt dose would be very beneficial in cutting fat and having energy and libido what RickRock gave you would be the perfect synergy for what you are looking to accomplish

 

[RickRock]

Buen is actually correct. Any exogenous testosterone suppresses your own natural production which does lead to shutdown, so even if say a guy is at 350ng/dl test levels and you want to bring him up you don't just give him say 50mg per week expecting to make up the difference. It doesn't work that way. Your body will see the exogenous source of test and produce less. That's the physiology of how it works. So, the correct way is to give a dose of trt that gives a certain desired blood level concentration

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[Dorin76]

Buen is actually correct. Any exogenous testosterone suppresses your own natural production which does lead to shutdown, so even if say a guy is at 350ng/dl test levels and you want to bring him up you don't just give him say 50mg per week expecting to make up the difference. It doesn't work that way. Your body will see the exogenous source of test and produce less. That's the physiology of how it works. So, the correct way is to give a dose of trt that gives a certain desired blood level concentration

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In test cases we jave been studying, we are finding out this is mot necessarily the case! Buen has been correct and a lot of us believed tjos to be true also, but among men who have made drastic lifestyle changes, tgey have been anle to supplement their test making up a shortfall! We are not wuite sure yet why it is, but is happening! More needs to be done in research, but as medical professional I once thought this was impossible.

It does am sure depende a lot on what caused the drop! We can mot seem to bring test levels back to younger man levels in naturally aging men, but for some reason , those who jad high ir normal rest levels before a traumatic accident or injury? Adding test to what your body produces is working!!

We are still working on why.

But is an exciting time to be in this foekd and because of many discoveries, I have decided to take sdvantage of possible opportunities after Nursing to move up and get Doctorate!!!


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