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Most androgenic (desirable effect) prohormone/"steroid"?

I find it amusing that a lot of men want to gain temporary muscle size to indulge in social dominance but don't want anything to do with the permanent male characteristics such as male pattern body hair, a deep voice, square face and so on, which often adds more to succeeding in social dominance.

I don't lift weights other than 10-20kg dumbbells for shoulder strength maintenance. Not that particularly interested in muscle size though if I could be given an increase on a whim then I'd obviously want it.

Age is 28, height is 6.8 feet, body weight is 265lbs, body fat probably around 15-20%.

Free testosterone is always pretty low due to genetics, another common part of the male phenotype here.
Dieting doesn't make any serious difference, nor do supplements like zinc, in myself.

Not interested in performance enhancement, am interested in permanent male physiological changes as listed.

Well, I hate to break it to you bro but steroids aren't going to give you what you are after.....and in no way am I going to advise them to you for what you are wanting them for. It's just flat out ridiculous and I'm sorry.

I just don't understand at all what you are trying to do. Through your genetics you either have those traits or you don't. Steroids can't change your genetic makeup. I have never had a change in any of those areas that you want from steroids, so you are looking to use them for entirely the wrong reasons. They are not going to help you bro




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That's not racist.... lol

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Its really not genetically were differant .when it comes too overall average testoserone levels africans drew the big straw and Asians got the short end of the stick europeans in the middle now of cousre thousands of years of evolutionary factors like climate food sources and ecological challenges played a role in this . the fact remains thats how it turned out .

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I don't know how much AAS is going to help you with a square jaw.
Lol that's not what I meant at all, what I meant is that it should be a desirable trait but it never is. It's peculiar, as I emphasized, that wanting to look masculine is seen as an attempt to "compensate" or indicates that one must be a teenager, or one must be girly. It's a strange world where men want to look feminine and women want to look masculine, certainly it doesn't seem to be the way things were intended.
I do possess a square face, large and very wide hands and feet, somewhat wide shoulders but certainly nothing significant, etc. I do look unusually masculine in terms of my bone structure, as you'd expect from anyone being 6.8 feet tall. Again, not trying to compensate for any "lacks," I just desire to see the male characteristics in myself, just as bodybuilders in general do when they want to build muscle mass.

I've noticed that a lot of men in the bodybuilding 'community' wear pink shirts and have earrings and body piercings. Last time I checked that's a bit far away from the behavioral effects that testosterone causes. Maybe they forgot their pct. LOL.
Pink symbolizes peace and femininity, that's why walls in some prisons are colored pink. Earrings and body piercings symbolizes being controllable, that's why piercings are always in sensitive spots on the body that if they were to be pulled in it would cause a lot of pain in the individual (e.g a bull's nose ring).
 
Lol that's not what I meant at all, what I meant is that it should be a desirable trait but it never is. It's peculiar, as I emphasized, that wanting to look masculine is seen as an attempt to "compensate" or indicates that one must be a teenager, or one must be girly. It's a strange world where men want to look feminine and women want to look masculine, certainly it doesn't seem to be the way things were intended.
I do possess a square face, large and very wide hands and feet, somewhat wide shoulders but certainly nothing significant, etc. I do look unusually masculine in terms of my bone structure, as you'd expect from anyone being 6.8 feet tall. Again, not trying to compensate for any "lacks," I just desire to see the male characteristics in myself, just as bodybuilders in general do when they want to build muscle mass.

I've noticed that a lot of men in the bodybuilding 'community' wear pink shirts and have earrings and body piercings. Last time I checked that's a bit far away from the behavioral effects that testosterone causes. Maybe they forgot their pct. LOL.
Pink symbolizes peace and femininity, that's why walls in some prisons are colored pink. Earrings and body piercings symbolizes being controllable, that's why piercings are always in sensitive spots on the body that if they were to be pulled in it would cause a lot of pain in the individual (e.g a bull's nose ring).

I live in Europe brother, my observation is that European culture in General is Girly. Its not even about the clothes or piercings, its how the Western European male carries himself which is much more Feminist then there North American counterpart, its from the politics and the cradle to the grave Government assistance all the way to how you walk and talk. AAS is not going to help in that regard its a cultural thing over here in Europe.
 
Well most north Americans look at Europe and see a pretty feminine image. Especially areas like france, Italy etc... just a different culture.

Bodybuilders for the most part are some feminine mother fuckers haha. Not gonna argue that. Most of them are fucking dbags. And I competed myself and love the sport.

Idk why you even bring them into the conversation but anyway... nobody takes anything to be more manly dude. Your either born a dude or your born a chick. Culture, community and lifestyle dictate the rest.



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And you know how steroids work right? it's not gonna do much let alone anything permanent.

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Well most north Americans look at Europe and see a pretty feminine image. Especially areas like france, Italy etc... just a different culture.

Bodybuilders for the most part are some feminine mother fuckers haha. Not gonna argue that. Most of them are fucking dbags. And I competed myself and love the sport.

Idk why you even bring them into the conversation but anyway... nobody takes anything to be more manly dude. Your either born a dude or your born a chick. Culture, community and lifestyle dictate the rest.



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Every dude in Europe wants a convertible, I find nothing more chicky then that. Boggles my mind back in the states the only guys I know who have convertables are straight up gay.
 
Hahahaha.

Actually it's a good question to all the users. Has anyone experienced a much deeper voice with AAS. Last I checked, I sound the same lol.


How bout that masculine hair?! Lol shit I just seem to loose hair. When it comes to body hair I'm still waaaaayyyy slow to grow it.

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And also I've used more gear in the last 5 years than most people on this board have ever come close to.

Not saying that's a good thing... it's not.... but just shows it doesn't all just turn you into some caveman.

Unless I actually am a caveman and maybe I just don't know.... that would be wierd....

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Hahahaha.

Actually it's a good question to all the users. Has anyone experienced a much deeper voice with AAS. Last I checked, I sound the same lol.


How bout that masculine hair?! Lol shit I just seem to loose hair. When it comes to body hair I'm still waaaaayyyy slow to grow it.

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Nope, nothing what so ever. Running Tren for the first time. If that doesent change anything nothing will.
 
Go look at all mighty alpha. Just a big old man baby. Part sasquatch I believe. Dude is a beast just doing his thing naturaly. It's genetics dude. Not much you can do about the genetics my man.

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You will rarely see increased masculinity in men with steroids in wemon very much but most men get as much as there going too during puberty now there are some that for whatever reason had very lo w test levels during puberty and were left on the femine side and will notice changes but for the most part thats it . wemon whos bodys were never exposed too high levels of androgens will change dramatically but not guys

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As others pointed out, you are going to have to come to terms with what you were born with bro. That's just reality, and that's just the way it is. Steroids are not going to make you more of a man or give you any of those traits you are after. You'll just be fucking yourself up and shutting down your natural test production for nothing in return


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When you shut yourself down with whatever you take, then you really have a problem.

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And also I've used more gear in the last 5 years than most people on this board have ever come close to.

Not saying that's a good thing... it's not.... but just shows it doesn't all just turn you into some caveman.

Unless I actually am a caveman and maybe I just don't know.... that would be wierd....

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Im gonna go out on a limb here and say picking up fred flinstone size boulders and putting them by cars qualifies as caveman hahahahaha but it is awesome
 
I have noticed that some strongmen competitors experience a serious deepening of their voice and they don't seem to be doing cycles as strong as bodybuilders, they probably only cycle test. and growth hormone and a few other things for strength. Then there are those who respond strongly to trenbolone and get a serious increase in body hair, while I have extremely scarce male pattern hair on my body.
It seems as others have pointed out that most don't change even from larger cycles. I wonder what is the explanation for that.
Perhaps it is insensitive androgen receptors. If this is the case, I am curious what would happen if such a non-responder were to be put on androgen deprivation for a year or more (such as with "transgender" men who take androgen blockers) and then go off the estrogens and progesterons and on a trenbolone or simple testosterone cycle.
Like with drinking caffeine, the first day you do it it works the strongest on you.
I believe some doctor was talking about using finasteride to make the androgen receptors sensitive and afterwards using a dht gel to grow the male member, which is obviously not my goal. It is also possible that androgen receptors are permanently desensitized after puberty and there's nothing to do about it.

Anyway, I am not going to try trenbolone or testosterone even, I am going to finish using my dht cream and just for the heck of it try epiandrosteone. I like the feeling that dht gives due to its activation of the GABAA receptor so even that effect is good enough.

Thanks for the responses.
 
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