Trying to identify some side effects ...

[Duckets]

Hey fellas! I’m 36 ... 5’10” ... 171.5 ... Just under 10% BF ... Started first two weeks: Tbol 30mgs & Anavar 50mgs ... On start of 3rd week I added Test E 300 Sun & Weds. I do CrossFit 5 days a week, and isolation work on Tuesday & Thursday & Saturday.

Question: I have been experiencing these AWFUL headaches that I can’t get to go away even using some Triptans to help ... as well as being tired ALL THE TIME ... Symptoms started around week 3 heavy, but slowly progressed in week 2. I expected 5-8 lbs of gains - yet have not gained much at all ... I thought maybe an estro dive was going on but still getting rock hard man pole so it confused me a little. The vascularity was light, and the tbol seemed to only kick in once in a while - maybe underdosed or maybe substituted for something else? Used a new domestic that had decent reviews - but these symptoms are wild. Never been so tired using Winnie or test before (First try with anavar instead of Winnie this go around)... First time with Tbol bc that compound matches a lot of my goals and work load .... thoughts??? Could it be the Tbol? Thanks for any info that may help guys!!! Also, given the info provided - any suggestions on next cycle? Lean Gains are my favorite - but thinking of adding some mass too on next cycle ... thoughts?? Appreciate any and all comments or suggestions!!! Stay strong fellas [emoji123][emoji123][emoji123][emoji123][emoji123]

 

[Duckets]

I personally get headaches from orals

Are they “migraine like” with the throbbing pulse?

 

[P0N]

Did you try upping your water intake considerably?

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[Duckets]

Fuckin a dude

Take that a yes? Lol

 

[Duckets]

Did you try upping your water intake considerably?

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I did bro, not “considerably”, but most definitely upped it by 40% than my normal ... have you heard of similar sides with tbol before?

 

[P0N]

I've heard of some people getting sides like this from orals in general, but not commonly. Stacking orals is likely not doing you any favors either. The lethargy on cycle isn't super uncommon though.

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[Duckets]

I've heard of some people getting sides like this from orals in general, but not commonly. Stacking orals is likely not doing you any favors either. The lethargy on cycle isn't super uncommon though.

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Thank you for your response! I appreciate it!

 

[JackSteel]

It’s cause you’re using two orals probably. And why did you wait until week three to add test??

 

[JackSteel]

Fuckin a dude

[emoji38] looks like “fucking a dude”

 

[JackSteel]

I did bro, not “considerably”, but most definitely upped it by 40% than my normal ... have you heard of similar sides with tbol before?

Blood pressure man. You’re body probably isn’t liking the orals. You could try citrulline but I’m just trouble shooting.

 

[JackSteel]

And the lethargy is common with liver stress. Those are all common sides.

 

[DylanGemelli]

toxic oral steroids can cause lethargy by taxing your liver... they can also increase blood pressure, which could be causing your headaches...

 

[JackSteel]

toxic oral steroids can cause lethargy by taxing your liver... they can also increase blood pressure, which could be causing your headaches...

What he said.

 

[Duckets]

[emoji38] looks like “fucking a dude”

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji3037][emoji3037][emoji3037] ... that makes sense lol

 

[Duckets]

Blood pressure man. You’re body probably isn’t liking the orals. You could try citrulline but I’m just trouble shooting.

You are on the money - took it immediately after reading (my “coach” [emoji23][emoji2962] told me to stop taking that along with a couple other pump supplements when I started this particular cycle - smh). Seriously I even took Sumatriptan to try and help with these AWFUL migraine like headaches and no relief .... and then I did what you suggested - and boom, RELIEF - couldn’t believe it - thank you soooooo much - Tbol was such an attractive compound to me bc of the activity in CrossFit and the extra iso workouts ... Do you know why labs aren’t able to make it in liquid form? Nonetheless - my body was not a fan and I wasn’t able to obtain the goal I had set .... suggestion on next cycle??? I’ve never missed so many days bc of headaches ... funny you said that - when I had a migraine and went to a 5:30am class, relief came up through up until an hour after the gym and came right back - blood flow sounds spot on - appreciate the time bro

 

[Duckets]

toxic oral steroids can cause lethargy by taxing your liver... they can also increase blood pressure, which could be causing your headaches...

Thank you for responding Dylan - as I have absolutely seen your videos and appreciate your knowledge ... Tbol was a VERY attractive compound for me, and unfortunately it’s only in oral form (as you know of course). I know you always advise not to stack orals - but I was so attracted to this compound ... I have zero issue with pinning in general - and I REALLY wanted the goals I had in mind with this cycle. The sides most definitely didn’t help ... Any suggestion on similar compound that will go well with Test/Winnie given the workout schedule and lean gains in mind - or maybe a new cycle suggestion altogether? Appreciate you taking the time to reply! Btw - What’s the reason that Tbol isn’t made into a liquid?

 

[JackSteel]

You are on the money - took it immediately after reading (my “coach” [emoji23][emoji2962] told me to stop taking that along with a couple other pump supplements when I started this particular cycle - smh). Seriously I even took Sumatriptan to try and help with these AWFUL migraine like headaches and no relief .... and then I did what you suggested - and boom, RELIEF - couldn’t believe it - thank you soooooo much - Tbol was such an attractive compound to me bc of the activity in CrossFit and the extra iso workouts ... Do you know why labs aren’t able to make it in liquid form? Nonetheless - my body was not a fan and I wasn’t able to obtain the goal I had set .... suggestion on next cycle??? I’ve never missed so many days bc of headaches ... funny you said that - when I had a migraine and went to a 5:30am class, relief came up through up until an hour after the gym and came right back - blood flow sounds spot on - appreciate the time bro

My pleasure buddy!

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thank you for responding Dylan - as I have absolutely seen your videos and appreciate your knowledge ... Tbol was a VERY attractive compound for me, and unfortunately it’s only in oral form (as you know of course). I know you always advise not to stack orals - but I was so attracted to this compound ... I have zero issue with pinning in general - and I REALLY wanted the goals I had in mind with this cycle. The sides most definitely didn’t help ... Any suggestion on similar compound that will go well with Test/Winnie given the workout schedule and lean gains in mind - or maybe a new cycle suggestion altogether? Appreciate you taking the time to reply! Btw - What’s the reason that Tbol isn’t made into a liquid?

just because something is attractive to you doesnt mean you should just use it... structure of different steroids would make them easier to produce in oral form or injectable.. stacking orals is only going to bring you issues and running orals without test is going to make things even worse...