Cycle

[morebig]

Ill keep this brief starting with a yuge thanks for all of your videos. I've learned a lot from you, and it is all stuff I've found to be true; so thank you sir.
My point in writing to you is about an 8 weeks cycle I'm running. I want to run mk2866 and gw 50156, I've seen your vids, I know the dose (there is more to my pct I'm just asking about these). Are they still what you recommend(the best)? Any substitute to either? And is there any difference in gains between running test p and tren a eod or test and tren e twice a week? I've seen your vids, I know my stuff, feel free to keep the answers brief and any help is appreciated. Again, many thanks. If you ever want to chat, just let me know.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Ill keep this brief starting with a yuge thanks for all of your videos. I've learned a lot from you, and it is all stuff I've found to be true; so thank you sir.
My point in writing to you is about an 8 weeks cycle I'm running. I want to run mk2866 and gw 50156, I've seen your vids, I know the dose (there is more to my pct I'm just asking about these). Are they still what you recommend(the best)? Any substitute to either? And is there any difference in gains between running test p and tren a eod or test and tren e twice a week? I've seen your vids, I know my stuff, feel free to keep the answers brief and any help is appreciated. Again, many thanks. If you ever want to chat, just let me know.

where did you get your sarms? you may not even have bought legitimate sarms...

this is how you would run it..



1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day




there are some that truly believe tren ace is better however they are all in the same... just that one is the shorter ester and one is the longer one and injection schedules are different but gains wise, really no difference...


for your sarms and ancillaries, make sure to go to www.sarmsx.com They have the best you can find and i stand by that a million percent...

 

[buen]

Sounds like this my be a first cycle for you
I hope you're not thinking of using Tren on a first cycle
Plz tell us a bit more about yourself
Age weight height bf% cycle experience training history

 

[RickRock]

Ill keep this brief starting with a yuge thanks for all of your videos. I've learned a lot from you, and it is all stuff I've found to be true; so thank you sir.
My point in writing to you is about an 8 weeks cycle I'm running. I want to run mk2866 and gw 50156, I've seen your vids, I know the dose (there is more to my pct I'm just asking about these). Are they still what you recommend(the best)? Any substitute to either? And is there any difference in gains between running test p and tren a eod or test and tren e twice a week? I've seen your vids, I know my stuff, feel free to keep the answers brief and any help is appreciated. Again, many thanks. If you ever want to chat, just let me know.

The only difference between Tren ace and test prop and Tren E and test E is the Ester attached. At a given dosage results are similar or the same

What is your stats, goals, and experience? Tren is not to be used by beginners

Where is your sarms from? The proper way to run them is this

1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

 

[DylanGemelli]

yes you absolutely cannot use tren on a first cycle and you should not use test prop on a first cycle either... you can but its not the smartest to be pinning every other day as a first cycle especially with something that can cause injection pain... not wise whatsoever bro...

 

[Tazz]

if this is your first cycle id stay away from those pip known esters on a virgin muscle, stay with a smoother cypionate and enanthate, and like everyone else said, tren is for experienced users only and isn't to be taken lightly, not to say any steroid should .

 

[DylanGemelli]

Ill keep this brief starting with a yuge thanks for all of your videos. I've learned a lot from you, and it is all stuff I've found to be true; so thank you sir.
My point in writing to you is about an 8 weeks cycle I'm running. I want to run mk2866 and gw 50156, I've seen your vids, I know the dose (there is more to my pct I'm just asking about these). Are they still what you recommend(the best)? Any substitute to either? And is there any difference in gains between running test p and tren a eod or test and tren e twice a week? I've seen your vids, I know my stuff, feel free to keep the answers brief and any help is appreciated. Again, many thanks. If you ever want to chat, just let me know.

what are your stats? age/height/weight/body fat?

 

[morebig]

Thanks for responses. Yes this is SWIM's first pinned cycle. 23 6 ft 4 weight in the 160's. Very extensive history of proper training and nutrition is excellent. The reason for the super low weight is health reasons (medications that imcompetent drs have prescribed that have caused SWIM to lose 40 lbs over the past year, mostly muscle. SWIM's the guy who couldn't get over 8% bf if he had a gun to his head) so yes 6 4 at that weight is as skinny as you think it is. I asked about the different esters simply for another opinion, Ive known they are just different half lives essentially, but ive heard so much about "this makes you hold water, or this takes too long" so I like to hear opinions.
Cycle. Test prop 200 mgs, tren ace 400 mgs (both eod injections) 50 mgs anadrol (anadrol at beginning, unsure how long) for 10 weeks. Hcg eod last two weeks and as esters clear. Then pct, and all my stuff is pharm grade. Feel free to discuss, leave advice, judge. I dont care as long as its productive. Thanks for the ideas everyone.

 

[buen]

Bro....you are way off base here
Your body and specificly your endocrine system are still maturing/growing
You can't use aas in a healthy manner

Your too under weight to use AAS in a healthy manner

No matter what the cause of your weight... You need to correct it with diet FIRST
It's your foundation
Even if you were ready for AAS use (YOU ARE NOT)
Tren is for advanced users with multiple cycles
You don't learn to drive in a Formula 1 car
Your best course is to dial in a diet and training program to strengthen your physique
A course of Sarms can be of great benefit
Please respect your body and don't damage it with inappropriate AAS use
It wouldn't give you the results you seek anyway... In truth it would set you back big time

 

[Bigbird]

For a first cycle that couldn't possibly be worse bro, and I mean that with all respect. That is gonna do nothing but harm to you. The short esters are gonna have you all screwed up with pip, the tren is gonna be a wreck, with the drol it's gonna be super toxic, etc, etc...

Are you aware that tren is most likely going to decrease your appetite noticably? With your weight this is terrible.

What are your goals here bud? I have to assume it is to put on mass. Maybe we can help you clean this mess up before it gets out of hand.

You aren't saying you are already using these products, are you? Steroids are not going to be the magic bean here.

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for responses. Yes this is SWIM's first pinned cycle. 23 6 ft 4 weight in the 160's. Very extensive history of proper training and nutrition is excellent. The reason for the super low weight is health reasons (medications that imcompetent drs have prescribed that have caused SWIM to lose 40 lbs over the past year, mostly muscle. SWIM's the guy who couldn't get over 8% bf if he had a gun to his head) so yes 6 4 at that weight is as skinny as you think it is. I asked about the different esters simply for another opinion, Ive known they are just different half lives essentially, but ive heard so much about "this makes you hold water, or this takes too long" so I like to hear opinions.
Cycle. Test prop 200 mgs, tren ace 400 mgs (both eod injections) 50 mgs anadrol (anadrol at beginning, unsure how long) for 10 weeks. Hcg eod last two weeks and as esters clear. Then pct, and all my stuff is pharm grade. Feel free to discuss, leave advice, judge. I dont care as long as its productive. Thanks for the ideas everyone.

There's no need to talk about yourself in the 3rd person man, abd wgat is this SWIM lingo?

I'm sorry but you are too young and far too undersized to use steroids right now. You need diet help more than anything right now, and I suggest you check out my diet and nutrition thread for help

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[morebig]

I appreciate the concern. No, I'm not looking for the magic bean, just to add mass. My diet and training are on point. Yes I'm fully aware that tren and ano. both suppress appetite, but I'm able to counteract that with morning cardio, caffeine, and just forcing my self to eat good food. You guys are saying this will set me back and is the worst possible first cycle. Feel free to tell me why. I'm open to any opinions and discussions; idc if you tell me I'm retarded, just tell me why, I like to learn. Also SWIM means "someone I met". Don't feel the need to try and save my life, I have had my blood tested before, and will have more tests throughout the cycle. I took my first injection yesterday. Still going for 400 mgs tren ace and 200 test prop every week eod injections.

 

[Bigbird]

I appreciate the concern. No, I'm not looking for the magic bean, just to add mass. My diet and training are on point. Yes I'm fully aware that tren and ano. both suppress appetite, but I'm able to counteract that with morning cardio, caffeine, and just forcing my self to eat good food. You guys are saying this will set me back and is the worst possible first cycle. Feel free to tell me why. I'm open to any opinions and discussions; idc if you tell me I'm retarded, just tell me why, I like to learn. Also SWIM means "someone I met". Don't feel the need to try and save my life, I have had my blood tested before, and will have more tests throughout the cycle. I took my first injection yesterday. Still going for 400 mgs tren ace and 200 test prop every week eod injections.

If against all advice you have come back on here to say that you started anyway and now you want us to tell you more about the reasons this is a bad idea or to explain why it will set you back for future gains, then you don't really want or value our input. I cannot believe that after all the advice you got here you didn't even bother to do some reading on why trenbolone is not good for a first cycle. You are determined to do this, so good luck. You'll need it, and you WILL regret this in the future. If you are severely underweight the answer is NUTRITION, not tren. You cannot be covering yourself with proper nutrition for a long period of time and not maintain a healthy weight unless something else is wrong. Either way this isn't the answer. Again, good luck.

 

[morebig]

Bigbird I hadnt checked this website until today. I am very familiar with pros and cons and "proper" use protocols associated with AAS, especially the use of tren on a first cycle and especially with an oral that will also supress my apetite. I wouldnt recomend anyone else do this, but I am going to do it, imagine years of hard work and losing it all because of some bull shit. That is just an excuse and only part of the reason I am doing it. The main reason, I don't want to learn by just reading off of forums. I want to learn for myself through experience and from people with experience. So if someone has something valuable to say, im glad to hear it, im always happy to learn. If im presented with good reasoning, I will apply it. Hoping not to offend. Just want to do this for myself, and learn as much as possible.
Thanks for the time.