So I've done quite a few cycles already. But now I'm going to start my first Tren cycle. I'm doing a stack of Tren E (A friend of mine has told my to use Ace instead. Not sure what you think) with Test E and T3 and clen. I was originally thinking I would be doing Nolvadex as a PCT but if I remember right, you mentioned that Nolvadex is a poor choice for PCT. What would you recommend? And me being a first tine user of Tren, what OTC drugs would you recommend? Like a liver support, etc. What would you recommend to ensure I don't have prolactin problems? I'm sorry I'm coming at you with all these questions, I would just rather be well educated then go into this cycle knowing minimal stuff haha.
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Cwrose1
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Bro first before anything we need your stats
Age, weight,bf% and cycle experience.
It seems like the questions your asking make me believe you have no clue on what your doing. PCT Should be nolva clomid aromasin at a minimum.
MaxxPursuit
Senior Member
What are your stats man? Age, height, weight, bf%. Tren is a big step in the aas world and personally, I feel that the individual who is planning to run it should be very aware of thier body. Some of your questions lead me to believe you may need to do more research and learning before taking this step. Lets just start with your stats and cycle experience first bud.
In order to really help you we need to know the following important things, especially since you are considering tren and appear to be unfamiliar with it.
Age:
Height:
Weight:
Body fat %:
Years of training:
Complete cycle history:
PCT for each cycle:
Goals w/ this cycle:
General idea of nutrition:
Pre-existing gyno issues:
Anger issues: Y/N
Now let me explain that Tren has both physical aspects as well as mental when it comes to sides. Special consideration of ancillaries must taken into account as Tren, as you noted can cause possible prolactin issues in addition to standard estrogen control issues. You'll have to combat gyno on two fronts. Both T3 and Clenbuterol would be removed from any cycle I would run personally as 1. T3 is fairly new to the market and potentially dangerous as it is a thyroid hormone. When users take T3 they're essentially making themselves hyperthyroid during their cycle. This means you may suffer the same symptoms as someone who has the medical condition of an overactive thyroid gland (Graves' disease). What does this mean to you? Symptoms of Graves disease are muscle dysfunction, decreased strength and feelings of lethargy. Scientific studies on humans have shown that high thyroid levels are symptomatic with/to lower glycogen content, decreased activity of certain oxidative enzymes, changes in the composition of muscle fibers, phosphocreatine depletion (reduces muscle strength during contractions/exercise) and muscle atrophy - a decrease in muscle mass, all of which is associated with the hyperthyroid state. What this means to you... if you have a normal thyroid gland, taking exogenous thyroid hormones can decrease your performance in the gym and cause muscle weakness or result in muscle loss.
2. Clenbuterol: Since Clen stimulates the nervous system it can produce emotional side effects such as anxiety, paranoia and extreme nervousness. Tremors often occur which can make activities such as holding things difficult and with higher doses insomnia (double dose of this with Tren run alongside it) usually happens. If you suffer from anxiety, or depression stay the hell away from Clen.
Considering you want to take Tren, T3 and Clen it seems your main goal is to cut, or lose unwanted body fat. If your diet is in check Tren (a repartitioner) will do that by itself and the other two highly dangerous compounds can be dropped completely unless you just want this to possibly be the worst cycle ever. As for Tren Ace, or Enanthate look at it like this... the longer the ester obviously the longer it takes to clear out your bloodstream. If you find the sides of Tren unbearable (many do) you will suffer longer with the longer estered variant.
Nolvadex on PCT is a must. As far as OTC drugs/supplements to help during a Tren cycle... Lol, seriously? The most powerful androgenic compound and someone possibly suggested an OTC? Other than obviously a cycle support supplement like Cel Assist which should be run on any cycle IMO, no there is no special Tren OTC made other than maybe a sleep aid if you can stand one. If I were you I'd revamp this entire cycle and educate myself on Tren as it is a very loving, but unforgiving carnivorous beast that can make mice out of men just as easily as it can do the opposite.
***Yeah, obviously I'm adamant about Tren. Possibly one of my most detailed posts ever in the history of The 44. Slow clap commences now...
Age:
Height:
Weight:
Body fat %:
Years of training:
Complete cycle history:
PCT for each cycle:
Goals w/ this cycle:
General idea of nutrition:
Pre-existing gyno issues:
Anger issues: Y/N
Now let me explain that Tren has both physical aspects as well as mental when it comes to sides. Special consideration of ancillaries must taken into account as Tren, as you noted can cause possible prolactin issues in addition to standard estrogen control issues. You'll have to combat gyno on two fronts. Both T3 and Clenbuterol would be removed from any cycle I would run personally as 1. T3 is fairly new to the market and potentially dangerous as it is a thyroid hormone. When users take T3 they're essentially making themselves hyperthyroid during their cycle. This means you may suffer the same symptoms as someone who has the medical condition of an overactive thyroid gland (Graves' disease). What does this mean to you? Symptoms of Graves disease are muscle dysfunction, decreased strength and feelings of lethargy. Scientific studies on humans have shown that high thyroid levels are symptomatic with/to lower glycogen content, decreased activity of certain oxidative enzymes, changes in the composition of muscle fibers, phosphocreatine depletion (reduces muscle strength during contractions/exercise) and muscle atrophy - a decrease in muscle mass, all of which is associated with the hyperthyroid state. What this means to you... if you have a normal thyroid gland, taking exogenous thyroid hormones can decrease your performance in the gym and cause muscle weakness or result in muscle loss.
2. Clenbuterol: Since Clen stimulates the nervous system it can produce emotional side effects such as anxiety, paranoia and extreme nervousness. Tremors often occur which can make activities such as holding things difficult and with higher doses insomnia (double dose of this with Tren run alongside it) usually happens. If you suffer from anxiety, or depression stay the hell away from Clen.
Considering you want to take Tren, T3 and Clen it seems your main goal is to cut, or lose unwanted body fat. If your diet is in check Tren (a repartitioner) will do that by itself and the other two highly dangerous compounds can be dropped completely unless you just want this to possibly be the worst cycle ever. As for Tren Ace, or Enanthate look at it like this... the longer the ester obviously the longer it takes to clear out your bloodstream. If you find the sides of Tren unbearable (many do) you will suffer longer with the longer estered variant.
Nolvadex on PCT is a must. As far as OTC drugs/supplements to help during a Tren cycle... Lol, seriously? The most powerful androgenic compound and someone possibly suggested an OTC? Other than obviously a cycle support supplement like Cel Assist which should be run on any cycle IMO, no there is no special Tren OTC made other than maybe a sleep aid if you can stand one. If I were you I'd revamp this entire cycle and educate myself on Tren as it is a very loving, but unforgiving carnivorous beast that can make mice out of men just as easily as it can do the opposite.
***Yeah, obviously I'm adamant about Tren. Possibly one of my most detailed posts ever in the history of The 44. Slow clap commences now...
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We can't advise you without first knowing your full stats, goals, and experience bud
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this is going to turn out extremely bad man... you need to take like 100 steps back and completely reassess... i can help you and you clearly need it in a major way but i need to know more info from you first because otherwise, the likelihood of you hurting yourself is VERY high.. i need your stats... age/height/weight/body fat? cycle history? goals?
