Cycle advice - thank you

[cedricbeels]

Dear Dylan/forum members,

This is my first post here and I'm going to try and be as clear as possible.

I ran 2 cycles in the last year, test/tren and test/tren/mast.

My main problem is that I always start developing gyno lumps behind each nipple after being on for 3 weeks. Even when running arimidex EOD.
I have been able to kill it completely twice - the mammary tissue build up I guess, with 30 days of letrozole usage. (Yes my estrogen crashed obviously)

Instead of wasting valuable weeks of muscle building on cycle I decided from now on to try lower dosages. Knowing that before I ran my test enanthate at 700mg's and tren enanthate at 400-600 every week. Yes I did have cabergoline on hand in case of prolactine issues.

Maybe I am prone to gyno or I am running my test too high?

The idea right now:

W1-12 500mg test-e
W1-10 400mg tren-e
W1-12 400mg mast or 500 primo
W1-6 50mg winstrol ED
W1-13 2x250iu HCG EW
20mg aromasin EOD
0.5mg dostinex EO3D

Pct contains a mix of nolva/clomid/exemestane (aromasin) which i always run when I have been on trenbolone.

Stats:
28years
178cm
94-96kg
12-13% BF
Been cycling for 2 years +-
Nutrition is on point; So is training
Experience in bodybuilding competitions

Thoughts?

 

[cmb5017]

U had Caber on hand but didn't use it and got Gyno? Umm bro that's what the Caber is for. Nandrolones. Cause titts hence the reason u take Caber

 

[cmb5017]

U also used mast which probably added to that problem. You really don't understand the compounds your doing and your gona end up causing irreversible damage

 

[cedricbeels]

I only used the caber in combination with the letrozole when I got the lumps. Now I heard that running it EO3D all cycle long is smarter, so I would try that.

I don't understand why mast would add to the problem because mast-enanthate has anti-estrogen functions, and the possibility of gyno and water retention is 0..

Edit: and I have been studying on every type of injectable since a loooong while, reading almost every single day and trying to learn every aspect/characteristic/effect of all the compounds.

 

[RickRock]

Test at 700 is pretty damn high, and your arimadex dosage was probably not enough. Then you didn't run caber? I don't know what more you expect. All of it is a recipe for disaster

 

[cmb5017]

Prolactin causes bitch tits..U must run Caber eod or so when running a nandrolone. Test converts to estrogen so u need an aromatase inhibitor like aromasin to kill it. Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor..meaning it kills the estrogen where as arimidex mainly treats the symptoms but doesn't effectively knock it out

 

[cmb5017]

When u dealing with high estrogen conversion along with prolactin build up you best be on top of Shit or prepare to go bra shopping

 

[cedricbeels]

Would you guys think that
12.5-20mg aromasin EOD
0.5mg dostinex EO3D

would protect me "completely" for future nandrolone cycles?

I always thought that the flared up gyno was estrogen related and not prolactine. (My fault of not having blood work checked).

I am fully aware I need an AI and that aromasin is better than arimidex, i guess i heavily underestimated prolactine levels in my body..

 

[cmb5017]

Estrogen does cause Gyno but so does prolactin..aromasin alone is good enough protection for estrogen..Caber keeps prolactin in check. Prolactin will enlarge breast tissue and activate mammary glands that will make u lactate

 

[cedricbeels]

Understood. From now on dostinex through my entire nandrolone based cycles.

What about my dosages, does the "lower" dosed cycle look good to you guys?

 

[cmb5017]

Doses are doses...U have to learn which control measures to take based off your body..you know you are Gyno prone, so u will always Start at 12.5 mgs aromasin eod and Caber .5 e3d..and adjust if/as needed based on physical signs and blood work..certain tell tale signs like sensitive nips, fatigue,moon face all signs your estrogen isn't in control..always massage your breast tissue in the shower testing for abnormal lumps or growth..I can only give u a starting point..it's up to you to learn your body's reaction to it

 

[cedricbeels]

Great point about the sensitive nips, I have always had those on cycle and drove me insane.

I will use that aromasin/dostinex as a starting point and adjust if needed. Thank you so much for the advice