Another Oral question

[21infantry]

Since we are getting a butt load of them, I decided to jump in with my own question. I see a lot of guys run a 4 week kicker followed by a 4 to 6 week finisher on a 12 week cycle. So I imagine that you need at least a two week break inbetween orals on cycle and probably based upon the substances in question possibly less time on and more time off. Now I finished my Tbol and so far so good blood pressure okay, feel good no shedding very little issues. I know Tbol is one of the more friendly toxic orals out there. So is two weeks sufficient to recover off it or should I wait longer and extend the cycle by a few weeks. My next oral will be EPI with Sarms thrown in the mix. What you guys think?

The Lay out

1-12 Test E 400mg
2-6 T Bol 50mg
9-12 Epi 30 to 45mg

 

[TX TERROR]

It's hugely dependant on the individual.
Some people would run a pro hormone and keel over yellow about to die lol. Others can run realm toxic shit and be fine.

Idk wtf my deal is or how I got so lucky. Cause my liver enzymes are always great. Really all I ever use is ghetto wallmart liver support. I never seem to have elevated liver ezymes no matter what I'm using.

That being said there are other reasons to take a break. Bp is a huge issue for me. It runs in the family unfortunatly....

Cholesterol is also impacted pretty bad with things like drol.

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[SpikedEggnog]

It's hugely dependant on the individual.
Some people would run a pro hormone and keel over yellow about to die lol. Others can run realm toxic shit and be fine.

Idk wtf my deal is or how I got so lucky. Cause my liver enzymes are always great. Really all I ever use is ghetto wallmart liver support. I never seem to have elevated liver ezymes no matter what I'm using.

That being said there are other reasons to take a break. Bp is a huge issue for me. It runs in the family unfortunatly....

Cholesterol is also impacted pretty bad with things like drol.

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the walmart liver support is OP

 

[SpikedEggnog]

Since we are getting a butt load of them, I decided to jump in with my own question. I see a lot of guys run a 4 week kicker followed by a 4 to 6 week finisher on a 12 week cycle. So I imagine that you need at least a two week break inbetween orals on cycle and probably based upon the substances in question possibly less time on and more time off. Now I finished my Tbol and so far so good blood pressure okay, feel good no shedding very little issues. I know Tbol is one of the more friendly toxic orals out there. So is two weeks sufficient to recover off it or should I wait longer and extend the cycle by a few weeks. My next oral will be EPI with Sarms thrown in the mix. What you guys think?

The Lay out

1-12 Test E 400mg
2-6 T Bol 50mg
9-12 Epi 30 to 45mg

yeah that would be highly dependent on the individual. if it was me personally, i would take at least 4 weeks between, but probably even 8. like 1-4 oral, then 12-16 oral. on a 16 wk cycle.

 

[21infantry]

From past experiences my liver seems to like to spike but recovers relatively quickly in a few days. I tend to know when its spiking because I don't feel 100%. To be honest the Tbol didn't feel toxic at all compared to some other medications I have been on in the past.

The one thing I am a little worried about is my Cholestorol, how long do you think it would take to recover back in the normal range, I think that is the most important at this point.

 

[dstrong1]

Only way to know for sure is get checked by dr. Other than that since each individual is different 5heres no way to tell how fast you recover or the damage youve done. I dont us3 liver support and seem to be fine. I also keep orals at a 6 weeks tops.

 

[TX TERROR]

The liver is a pretty resilient organ if you don't fuck it up too bad.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Since we are getting a butt load of them, I decided to jump in with my own question. I see a lot of guys run a 4 week kicker followed by a 4 to 6 week finisher on a 12 week cycle. So I imagine that you need at least a two week break inbetween orals on cycle and probably based upon the substances in question possibly less time on and more time off. Now I finished my Tbol and so far so good blood pressure okay, feel good no shedding very little issues. I know Tbol is one of the more friendly toxic orals out there. So is two weeks sufficient to recover off it or should I wait longer and extend the cycle by a few weeks. My next oral will be EPI with Sarms thrown in the mix. What you guys think?

The Lay out

1-12 Test E 400mg
2-6 T Bol 50mg
9-12 Epi 30 to 45mg

are you running a pct or going into trt?

 

[21infantry]

On TRT no PCT

 

[RickRock]

This is something I've always dabbled in and debated myself. Speaking from my own personal experience, I think a two week break in between orals isn't long enough. Of course this does depend on the orals I think too, and if you are running something mild then maybe you can get by fine with two weeks. As said, it also depends on the individual. We all process orals differently and the toxicity and sides will hit us differently. I personally prefer a 4 week break at least between orals. Usually after my oral kickstart I'm ready to be off of an oral for a month at least. On longer cycles I may take even longer than a 4 week break

 

[21infantry]

After going back and forth on this I have decided to run the Winny and not the EP for two reasons. Winny shines on the back end and epi supposedly on the front end. Second running the Winny I get a extra 10 day break off orals without extending my cycle. Even with Epi being less toxic according to many a extra two weeks on cycle and less revocery between orals really puts the advantage of doing the Winny.

 

[RickRock]

After going back and forth on this I have decided to run the Winny and not the EP for two reasons. Winny shines on the back end and epi supposedly on the front end. Second running the Winny I get a extra 10 day break off orals without extending my cycle. Even with Epi being less toxic according to many a extra two weeks on cycle and less revocery between orals really puts the advantage of doing the Winny.

Honestly that probably is the best bet for your scenario. Save the Epi for a good kickstart your next cycle. Winny always makes a great finisher

 

[Gymjunkie38]

Its gonna have alot too do with the dose and the chosen oral . kickstarting with 30 mg of dbol for 4 weeks then ending with 6 weeks of var completely safe for a healthy non drinker wouldnt think twice . 6 week kickstart with 100 mg drol then 6 week finisher with 100 mg winstrol maybe not smartest plan .

 

[Gymjunkie38]

If youve done enough research its common sense but remeber liver toxicity is overhyped sometimes too the point that more serious things are overlooked that cause immediate problems drol and dbol will skyrocket your bloodpressure and winny will make your cholesterol all fucked up . as long as your not running orals back too back at abusive dosages your not gonna see liver problems but heart attacks are a possibility.having a bloodpressure moniter being conscious about saturated fats that are high in cholesterol and I take 81 mg asprin every night on cycle