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1st cycle for me 2nd for her, Need some help with it please

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Hello all. I'm new to forum as well as looking into this form of supplementation. I'm 41, been training since I was 15 covering everything from functional strength, endurance, powerlifting, and physique/ hobby lifting. At 5'10", I'm currently hovering at %16 body fat but it's been fluctuating lately (retiring from the military and went off the rails for a bit). In the last 9 months I've had to change my lifting regimen from moderate/ heavy to light weight, higher reps/ super sets. This is due to a myriad of injuries and facing the fact that I can't train the same anymore. I went from 210lbs to 184 and I've gone back up to 190, unfortunately most of the weight loss was muscle mass. All this to say I'm looking to cut up as well as keep lean mass. I've found a ton of good info out there for a first cycle, then find a ton of info that completely contradicts what I was starting to plan out. I have considered an Anavar only cycle but it's not cost effective but I thought it might keep me in the clear of some side effects (I already have some prostate issues and a strong family history of prostate cancer). I also was looking at equipoise but it looks like that would only do what I want if it was stacked with test? Maybe a test only cycle at a lower dose? Again I'm not trying to add a lot of mass or strength, just keep what I have but cut it up (adding a little more mass wouldn't hurt)!
I don't expect anyone to figure out a cycle for me but a push in the right direction of what would give the desired result would be amazing. I really need to figure out the pct aspect as well, most of the posts of the newer folks to this seem to struggle a bit with this too, but that's the cart before the horse at this point.

On to my wife. She is considering a second cycle of Anavar. She's 41, 150lbs @ 5'6". I'm not sure of her bf percentage but that's what she wants to attack. She got her Var from 2 different sources and we're pretty sure one of them was garbage and the other ok. This was her first cycle that she ran and she stacked with clen (which was legit). She started at 10 mg var and increased to 17 throughout a 8 week cycle with no pct (not necessary?). She ended with some strength gains and mass gains which wasn't exactly what she was after, but it was something. Anyhow, the more we are researching the more we are finding out there may be better alternatives to an Anavar cycle to get the cutting she desires either with SARMS or even a different stack as long as she keeps a close eye on sides. Again, not looking for someone to design a cycle, just some direction or suggestions.
I'll admit we don't really know what the hell we're doing at this point and that's why I'm reaching out here! Thanks in advance!
 
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Hello all. I'm new to forum as well as looking into this form of supplementation. I'm 41, been training since I was 15 covering everything from functional strength, endurance, powerlifting, and physique/ hobby lifting. At 5'10", I'm currently hovering at %16 body fat but it's been fluctuating lately (retiring from the military and went off the rails for a bit). In the last 9 months I've had to change my lifting regimen from moderate/ heavy to light weight, higher reps/ super sets. This is due to a myriad of injuries and facing the fact that I can't train the same anymore. I went from 210lbs to 184 and I've gone back up to 190, unfortunately most of the weight loss was muscle mass. All this to say I'm looking to cut up as well as keep lean mass. I've found a ton of good info out there for a first cycle, then find a ton of info that completely contradicts what I was starting to plan out. I have considered an Anavar only cycle but it's not cost effective but I thought it might keep me in the clear of some side effects (I already have some prostate issues and a strong family history of prostate cancer). I also was looking at equipoise but it looks like that would only do what I want if it was stacked with test? Maybe a test only cycle at a lower dose? Again I'm not trying to add a lot of mass or strength, just keep what I have but cut it up (adding a little more mass wouldn't hurt)!
I don't expect anyone to figure out a cycle for me but a push in the right direction of what would give the desired result would be amazing. I really need to figure out the pct aspect as well, most of the posts of the newer folks to this seem to struggle a bit with this too, but that's the cart before the horse at this point.

On to my wife. She is considering a second cycle of Anavar. She's 41, 150lbs @ 5'6". I'm not sure of her bf percentage but that's what she wants to attack. She got her Var from 2 different sources and we're pretty sure one of them was garbage and the other ok. This was her first cycle that she ran and she stacked with clen (which was legit). She started at 10 mg var and increased to 17 throughout a 8 week cycle with no pct (not necessary?). She ended with some strength gains and mass gains which wasn't exactly what she was after, but it was something. Anyhow, the more we are researching the more we are finding out there may be better alternatives to an Anavar cycle to get the cutting she desires either with SARMS or even a different stack as long as she keeps a close eye on sides. Again, not looking for someone to design a cycle, just some direction or suggestions.
I'll admit we don't really know what the hell we're doing at this point and that's why I'm reaching out here! Thanks in advance!


my main concern here is that you have prostate problems... that does not mix with steroids and especially at an older age.. that is my main concern.... understand that an oral only cycle is the worst thing you can do.. when you dont use test, your suppression is felt in your cycle... its a horrible kind of shutdown... at least with test, while you are being suppressed, it hits after you stop using test but if you run a cycle as i lay it out, you will be recovering rapidly and not even experience much of the horror stories you often hear about pct and recovery but if you run an oral only, there's no way around it... you will have trouble even finishing the cycle and your not going to have many gains to begin with and it will be difficult to keep them when its over... its a mess of a cycle...

with your wife, i would strongly advise sticking to sarms... im not the biggest fan of women using anabolics, thats not a secret but i still recommend it when its right but in this circumstance, i dont see it being right at all.. she can get all the benefits from sarms without any of the sides... its a far different scenario and it makes no sense whatsoever for her to be using anavar...

what you ultimately decide is up to you but im concerned about your prostate... i also have a strong cycle to help yo heal and workout as you want and get you all the gains you want without any of the sides nor the negative effect on your prostate... im happy to help you set up sarms stacks for you both...

what is the ultimate goal that you both have? i definitely recommend healing as a major part of your cycle as well... let me know and im happy to help
 
Ok so take 2, my apologies but this will probably be a watered down version of my initial post since I used all my literary greatness on that before I somehow deleted it! To the point, really new to this type of supplementation, and most of what I have researched is contradicted from one person to the next, at least on a lot of other sites and other literature, leaving me totally confused on what is best to achieve my goals. Stats are as follows: male 41, 5'10", %15 bf, typically eat very clean (been on a bit of a bender the last few weeks, huge life transition) been in the gym since 15 years old and have done everything from bodybuilding, powerlifting, endurance and hobby lifting. Due to some chronic injuries I stopped lifting heavy in January and went from 210lbs to 184 and I've kind of leveled out back at 190. Unfortunately most of my weight loss was muscle. It is what it is.... Anyhow I've never done a cycle before and as stated I'm pretty well lost.
I'm not looking for someone to put a program together, just some advice on which direction to take my research. I want to cut up and keep lean mass. I'm not looking for the huge gains in size or strength since I no longer lift heavy (Dr's orders that I ignored as long as I could) I just want what I have to be lean and shredded. I considered a VAR cycle but it does t seem cost effective. I've also looked at equipoise to run, but from what I'm finding out, it wouldn't be worthwhile without running test as well. So, I've gathered that 1st cycle ever should be a test only cycle. Will running a lower dose achieve the goals I want? My other concern there is I already have prostate issues and a strong family history of prostate cancer, can the risks of agitating be mitigated? Lastly, the pct is pretty much a mystery to me as to what is best. Most of the posts I've read from new folks have had the senior members do a lot of tweaks to their pct.... It seems difficult to get it right the first time through!

On to my wife. 41, been lifting all her adult life except a couple year sabbatical to get the young ones out of diapers, but been back in it for a couple of years. 5'6", 150 unsure of bf which is what she is attacking. Again, eats clean and correctly, and fairly muscular. She ran a cycle about 8 months ago of Var and clen stacked. She got her gear from 2 different sources and we're pretty sure one of them was garbage and the other legit. She ran it for 8 weeks with week 1 at 10mg increasing over the next two to 17mg where she stayed. She ran the clen 14 on 14 off, I don't remember the dosing though. She did gain some strength and muscle mass but did not get the cutting effect she was looking for (remember about half the cycle was crap). No pct as all her (and my) research suggested it wasn't needed with Var. She wants to run another cycle but isnt Sure this was the right gear to hit her goals (lean). She has obvious concerns of sides trying other gear but is interested in alternatives to another var cycle.
So there it is pretty vague, not sure if it's better or worse than round one. I think it's apparent that I'm pretty confused from all the info out there. So if you're willing to share some knowledge, I'll be a sponge!!
 
Dylan, thanks for the reply and thank you all for bearing with me making a mess of this thread due to my lack of computer savvy!
My ultimate goal is to cut and keep what I have, any additional growth or strength gains are not the primary focus. Any healing would be a plus as well, but coming off a 20 year career as a ground pounder in the military, my injuries go far beyond self help. I am open to any suggestions, I'm not tied to orals or necessarily anabolics, I'm just result oriented, (and clueless really) and if there is a way to achieve my goal without serious health detriment, I'm in! As you stated, my prostate is a huge concern for me (really without steroids) so if there is a solution that doesn't end with radioactive therapy, it's the one I want!

Will SARMS provide my wife with results similar to var or a different anabolic? Like me she's result oriented but her concerns are sides/ virilization. What would you suggest for her? Thanks again!!
 
Dylan, thanks for the reply and thank you all for bearing with me making a mess of this thread due to my lack of computer savvy!
My ultimate goal is to cut and keep what I have, any additional growth or strength gains are not the primary focus. Any healing would be a plus as well, but coming off a 20 year career as a ground pounder in the military, my injuries go far beyond self help. I am open to any suggestions, I'm not tied to orals or necessarily anabolics, I'm just result oriented, (and clueless really) and if there is a way to achieve my goal without serious health detriment, I'm in! As you stated, my prostate is a huge concern for me (really without steroids) so if there is a solution that doesn't end with radioactive therapy, it's the one I want!

Will SARMS provide my wife with results similar to var or a different anabolic? Like me she's result oriented but her concerns are sides/ virilization. What would you suggest for her? Thanks again!!

With your concerns and issues with your prostate, anabolic steroids are not a good choice at all. Sarms will dfnitely give you the help,you are looking for and are perfect for cutting and healing....as well as providing some great gains in the process. Here is the stack I would recommend to you. Make sure you get everything from www.sarmsx.com

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/ultra-super-stack-12weeks


1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 Mk-2866 25mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/sarms-mini-pct-stack-1

Sarms are 100% safe for women without any virilization or Sid effects from steroids to worry about. They are extremely popular and will treat her well. This stack will be better for her than anava for her goals,mane I'm sure she will love it

1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)
 
Thank you, I'm looking into all you suggested. Quick question about the cardarine, is this considered your pre-workout or taken in conjunction with a pre-workout?
 
Thank you, I'm looking into all you suggested. Quick question about the cardarine, is this considered your pre-workout or taken in conjunction with a pre-workout?
It is taken as a preworkout but it is not stimulant based, so you may also use it in conjunction with a regular preworkout if you choose to. However a lot of people get such a boost in energy on it, they don't need anything else. It's truly remarkable what it does for gym performance and endurance

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Hey, I've been doing some reading and I wanted to make sure I'm correct in saying that she would not need to run a pct with this cycle?

Also, I'm going to take your and Dylan's advice (for me) and go the SARMS route over anything more detrimental to my prostate. I appreciate all the great advice thus far and I am all ears if you have any other input!
 
I think both of you could run the same stack and achieve your goals no shit I went from 25-260 down to 200 on the triple stack last year cardio went thru the roof, and fat burning, lean mass and skeletal muscle as well. and I hate effin cardio well I did hate cardio until sarms. if you eat clean, serious in the gym and take the stack suggested for 12 weeks you will meet or exceed your goals and no she will not need a pct 2-3 weeks off and she can go right back on
 
Thanks for the info! I'm all in on the SARMS planing on ordering at the end of the month as they are a little more than what I had set aside.
I'm trying to get her on the forum to get some answers first hand but she'll do what she wants when she wants! I'm not sure I have her convinced on this being the way to go. It's part "go with what you know" since she has some experience with var, and partly because the amount of literature out there as var seemingly being the most used steroid for women vs the amount of literature on SARMS for women. Or maybe we've both looked in the wrong places (until I found this spot)!
 
well there are women on here that have had great success with the sarms ill see if I can find sarala's thread on triple stack and she had been on var before that and had better gains with the sarms

here is one

https://www.isarms.com/forums/stero...ing-review-sarms-9491-2.html?highlight=sarala

https://www.isarms.com/forums/stero...9-5-th-week-review-8989.html?highlight=sarala

https://www.isarms.com/forums/stero...-s-8th-week-review-8693.html?highlight=sarala

https://www.isarms.com/forums/stero...cold-made-me-crazy-8400.html?highlight=sarala

https://www.isarms.com/forums/stero...t-time-sarms-usage-8288.html?highlight=sarala

just do a search for sarala and you can find the rest of her threads she made phenomenal gains on the triple stack but she also worked her ass off in the gym
 
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I had a huge amount of success using sarms...I have ran the triple stack, the triple stack with the addition of Sr and lastly, just gw and Sr stacked together. I had great results with drop in body fat, strength increases as well as endurance increases. I've also had an good sense of well being.

I've also ran var. Just beginning I felt more comfortable starting with sarms, pretty much no major sides like you can experience with var or other steroids in women. Have her try the sarms, even if she chooses to go with var she can add it as an addition. I'm positive she will like them!
 
Hey, I've been doing some reading and I wanted to make sure I'm correct in saying that she would not need to run a pct with this cycle?

Also, I'm going to take your and Dylan's advice (for me) and go the SARMS route over anything more detrimental to my prostate. I appreciate all the great advice thus far and I am all ears if you have any other input!

Women do not need to run pct at all. That is correct.

You have made the right choice for going with sarms. As a matter of fact things like S4 have been shown in studies to reduce PSA values and decrease prostate size, so another benefit
 
Another quick question (on her cycle). Most of the recommendations are essentially the triple stack and one recommends with SR 9009, no issues there, however is the general concensus she should run it for 12 weeks? Is the triple stack usually run for 8? Thanks again for all your help!
 
Another quick question (on her cycle). Most of the recommendations are essentially the triple stack and one recommends with SR 9009, no issues there, however is the general concensus she should run it for 12 weeks? Is the triple stack usually run for 8? Thanks again for all your help!

The SR9009 added to the triple stack is best because of the added benefit it gives for metabolism boosting and fat burning as well as endurance.

You de rite.y want to have her run it a full 12 weeks no matter what stack she chooses. That's the best way to get the full benefit out of it. Otherwise you end up stopping a cycle while progress is still being made.
 
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