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what are you trying to accomplish from the cycle ?
I assume you are trying to cut/recomp, i would take the masteron out and do a nice and easy test e 250/eq 600 16 week cycle as you said this is your first cycle
I would pct instead of blast/cruise
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I assume you are trying to cut/recomp, i would take the masteron out and do a nice and easy test e 250/eq 600 16 week cycle as you said this is your first cycle
I would pct instead of blast/cruise
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Hey tazzocc
I am looking to gain muscular endurance, strength and to get an extra aid in recovery
Goal weigth is somewhere around 190lbs with lower bodyfat than now.
I have been thinking about dropping Masteron and go with 25-50mg Proviron (mainly for libido and cost) but I have read so much about how Masteron is such a better drug overall that I'd just go with that.
The dosages are very low so I think it will be fine. It will be a nice boost to my libido which EQ might have an effect on so thats why I added Masteron. If I do go for proviron for libido I might add Tbol at 40mg ed from W 1-4 and 12-16
I am looking to gain muscular endurance, strength and to get an extra aid in recovery
Goal weigth is somewhere around 190lbs with lower bodyfat than now.
I have been thinking about dropping Masteron and go with 25-50mg Proviron (mainly for libido and cost) but I have read so much about how Masteron is such a better drug overall that I'd just go with that.
The dosages are very low so I think it will be fine. It will be a nice boost to my libido which EQ might have an effect on so thats why I added Masteron. If I do go for proviron for libido I might add Tbol at 40mg ed from W 1-4 and 12-16
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Honestly you can probably acconplish your goals with test only.
I have no personal experience with gw but ive heard its great for endurance
I have no personal experience with gw but ive heard its great for endurance
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But actually at your current height, weight, bf, and age id say you have a little work to do first before jumping on cycle. Id urge you to look into your diet for answers as to why youre not already achieving your goals
No, I do not have more work to do with my body, naturally. Genetics differ and my body like to be where it is right now. If I add more weight/gain strenght my cardio suffers. I go down in fat/weight my strenght suffers. I have experimented with this several times in different weight classes when I grapple and the way my body is right now is my best shape in terms of strength and cardio.
Too much test will most likely give a pump. 350mg and up does this from what I have read on different forums on how it affects most people.
That's pretty cute of you to ask for opinions and when given one suddenly, you contest it by saying what you did. First of all you're too underweight, on average a year too young by normal standards - but that's on you ultimately. Seriously I think your joints will go thru hell by running a cycle and the subsequent strength gains. Your bf% is too high for masteron anyways, you need to be sub 10% to see a real benefit. EQ obviously is the endurance money maker and of course test must be run with it. To run test enanthate will take 8 weeks before it really kicks in. As far as cruising at age 24... that seems really dumb. If you want advice, tone down the know it all attitude. Your plan has holes all thru it. Maybe if you can fix the tude more people will be willing to help you out. Just my thoughts. - The 44
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bro, let me give you some very very strong advice if you want to last hear or anywhere for that matter... you dont come in asking questions and then start telling others how it is, that are clearly more experienced and would know far more...
1. there's not a chance in the fucking world you dont have to work on your body naturally... your 24 years old... i dont give a fuck what you think or say about genetics differing... thats common sense but what is also common sense is that your still developing internally and your not even close to reaching any sort of potential... you have no clue.. ive been doing this half my fucking life... i THINK i grasp how this goes... but hey, what do i know, you seem to have all the experience at 24 years old, never running a cycle and clearly a mr. olympia at 12-14% body fat... come on man... everything your saying here is completely off...
2. if you cant get under 12% without help then there's a serious serious problem... as in, you have flaws in your diet and/or training that need to be corrected...
3. you need to be under 10% to even consider masteron... its an AESTHETIC and your not getting aesthetics and that body fat, not at all...
4. you dont run that much shit on a first cycle and DEFINITELY NOT THAT LONG
5. you've read and read but you've never DONE any of this... chances are you have read more than half bull shit out there and regardless, the cluelessness here is not good, which is fine since your new to this and you would not be getting any sort of response like this whatsoever if you weren't coming in here so damn disrespectful... i would be showering you with help and knowledge had you brought the right attitude but you coming in like most guys your age, will get you chewed, spit out and on your way quickly and it will be like anywhere you go.. noone will give you the time of day nor respect when you come in like you did...
my advice, and you do what you want with it, since you seem to know everything already, would be to change the attitude quickly and understand all the areas your wrong, or guess what, your going to learn the fucking hard way and then come back for help and you know what, noone will hear it because of how you acted and could have prevented it... i GUARANTEE you that you run that cycle, at your age and as a first cycle, your going to be fucked up, and your going to severely pay in your 30's and for the rest of your life... its up to you since you think you know everything...
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Test only is the only smart first cycle. You need to see how you like it and how you respond PLUS you need to get as much out of a low test dose as you can before you step it up. Keep shocking your body with every cycle. No reason to go to level 10 before you try level 1. And 20 weeks is WAY too long. Do 12 weeks and pct and see f you can maintain. Then 6 months later you can try adding in another compound.
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Don't be in such a rush man. No need for all those compounds on a first cycle. Test only for your first run is all that is needed. 12 Weeks max on your first time. Think of it like this... you don't know how you will respond to aas. You're going to have to feel out your body, see how it responds, how sensitive are you to conversion, gonna have to dial in your AI to control estrogen, etc. What if something is off and you start experiencing side effects that are not wanted? If you're running multiple compounds, you won't know what is causing the issue. This is why Test only is recommended but at the same time, because your receptors are fresh, it's also all that's necessary. Reading is one thing but everyone's body is different so you can't always base everything on what you see online.
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You absolutely don't want to blast and cruise unless its necessary meaning you've been diagnosed with low t and you can no longer produce test naturally on your own. Otherwise, you want to pct and at 24, that is way too young to even think about going on for life.. We want to help you man but you have to be willing to accept criticism and learn. That's what the boards are here for. There's something wrong if you can't get below 12-14% bf and maintain some good size/strength. Maybe you can clarify. What does your nutrition look like? Just understand that you absolutely need to have your training and nutrition dialed in to maximize your results. Gear isn't going to magically get you shredded and add mass. It doesn't work that way. It only enhances what is already in place.
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It's a marathon not a sprint. I'm 44 and I just ran my first test cycle. Come on bro add a sarm stack forget the other compounds. Are your tests levels below normal that you want to cruise? You are still young enjoy your natural hormones before you add synthetic into your body.
mastermolnar
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Sorry for chiming in then dude. Didnt know you had everything in check. But ill tell you this... im 5'8" 195 and about 7% bf right now.... there are scores of people on here with amazing physiques and a vast knowledge. But what do we know about training and diet.
Hope it all works out for you. Good luck
The last thing you need to be doing is apologizing for chiming in... You were flat out disrespected when you took time to try to help... As one with experience like you have, its just ridiculous for the comment made at you and just unacceptable...
For the goals you have, it really makes no a se to run steroids at all honestly. Besides that, you really are undersized and not in the right condition for them, on top of being in the young side. If you were ready for steroids, test only is all you run th first time
If you are looking for mainly endurance, strength, and recovery a sarms stack makes much more sense and also makes much more sense because of the fact that you just aren't ready for steroids at this point.
My best recommendation is to run this stack from www.sarmsx.com which will accomplish all of the goals you are after
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)
PCT
Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day
If you are looking for mainly endurance, strength, and recovery a sarms stack makes much more sense and also makes much more sense because of the fact that you just aren't ready for steroids at this point.
My best recommendation is to run this stack from www.sarmsx.com which will accomplish all of the goals you are after
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)
PCT
Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day
If anything he should apologize to you bro. I love the dudes that aren't meeting their goals naturally and think they can add gear to a shit workout and suddenly be gods.
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Test at 350mg a week will not give you a pump while grappling. Don't believe everything you read...
