PIP talk
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I just make sure I inject slow and take my time with the injection. Also use a smaller needle gauge. I inject with a 25g and inject very slow. It's extremely rare for me to get PIP. I think it has more to do with technique than anything
just playng. Theres really nothing that i know of.Following the Z- track method seems to help, & like RR stated slow & steady. It's not a race.
I always use a 23, I'm going to try some 25s next cycle
well first real one where in trying to put on mass.
others were just test bases with an oral that would help towards football such as epistane, tbol, and anavar. (yes I ran pct, and had supports/bloods)
started at 22 years old (I know bad idea) I am 28 now, and now looking to put on mass rather than just endurance/strength.
10.9% body fat
and yes it is test e
What I was getting at was whether you were new to injectables. So if you have used injectable test in the past, did you experience the same amount of pip then?
If so, is this a different lab? Different carrier oil or solvents used? These would all be factors.
yea it's my first time using this specific lab, first time getting pip in a long time aswell , must be the lab.
That would be the deduction I'd make. Note the composition of solvents and carrier oils for your future reference, not to say that it's not just the raws or whatever. I got some terrible pip giving Balkan prop years ago. GOD was that shit rough, and normally prop doesn't bother me.
It happens.
It happens.
I really dont do much of anything... i get weekly massages and if i hit a bad spot or something i definitely get it massaged... its really one of those things that you just kind of deal with... i wish there something more i could tell you but there's just not... carrier oils can be your friend or enemy... that has a lot to do with it... yes, try the 25... that's all I use...
For me, I mostly stick to long esters so I can just rotate left and right glutes. I get the least PIP if any there. I leave the vial in a cup of warm water (filled half way up the vial), take my morning shower, and then inject. The only time I get PIP is after a long break from pinning. The quality of the gear has a lot to do with it as well so make sure you stick with a good source.
Its all in the technique, but sometimes it can be the gear. Heat your gear in warm water before using. Sometimes hands can get shaky, from things like clen, Tren, or just regular anxiety. If this happens I find that a heating pad, ibuprofen, and message helps. But sometimes message can hurt like mother of hell and make it worse.
MaxxPursuit
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Yep. Heating the gear by running the vial under warm water or sitting in a cup works well. I rarely ever get pip. If this is your first cycle, its completely normal for virgin muscles to feel it.
Phurious Pharma Rep
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Things I've found that make it worse.
Injecting cold oil.
Injecting into a cold muscle.
Injecting warm oil into a cold muscle.
Injecting cold oil into a warm muscle.
Injecting into a tensed muscle (this can actually be hard to avoid when you're doing it post workout to warm the muscle, and you have pumps on cycle. Let it rest for 5 minutes or so).
Injecting with a high heart rate - which also makes it hard to hold steady. Again, rest a bit post workout.
Injecting before letting the alcohol-wiped area dry.
Shaking the needle excessively.
Injecting way too fast.
Alcohol wiping straight after pinning.
But by far and away what makes it the absolute worst even if you do everything else above right - using 'dirty' gear. That is, gear that is laced with way too much Benzyl Alcohol to make it sterile, and/or using an inferior carrier oil - perhaps even just one that your body doesn't agree with.
The last stuff I used was utter garbage and the amount of alcohol content just irritated the site so much that I'd get Test flu, lumps and pains for days after from my body thinking it was being attacked. And I had to religiously workout first to warm up, warm the oil, pin, and then rush to the shower to use a hot water massage for 20 mins just to lessen the pain the next day. And it was always there, just in varying degrees. Thigh pins were out of the question because I'd be limping for a solid week. It would hurt when I was actually pinning, and even when it didn't, it always hurt for days after.
However.
I'm on some new stuff now for the past 3 weeks and so far, it's absolutely FLAWLESS. It's a mix of MCT oils (like coconut and apricot, and is paler and less yellow) not LCT oils and actually has just the right amount of BA. And I cannot ever feel a thing, unless I disregard all my points above, and even then I'll only get the dullest feeling if I really hit the area the next day. No flu ever. In-fact I'm even thinking of reattempting thigh pins now to give my delts a break.
My routine out of habit is still:
Workout, or at least do some stretches and movements to warm the muscle. Let it rest for 5 minutes.
Preheat the oven for 2 minutes, draw my gear, turn the oven off, open it up and hold the syringe near the doorway to let the hot air warm the gear as I roll it in my hand. (I don't like the idea of potentially contaminating the whole vial and using water etc, so I only ever heat what's in the syringe). Change loader needle (21) to pin needle (25) so it's not scorching hot I do this now, after the heating. Grab a tear of tissue.
Sit on a chair (feet always planted so you don't bounce on pointed toes and shake), pull one arm across my chest with the other (which seems to also relax the opposing arm, leaving the other to pin).
Slip it in, aspirate, inject slowly, pause, slip out and then grab my small tissue tear-off and hold it on the area to stop any bleeding and oil. Apply pressure with a little rub.
And then out of habit now I usually just go take my shower, wash my hands, then give the area a little rub.
Good as gold. ZERO pain. The quality of gear and what suits your body makes the most difference IMO.
Injecting cold oil.
Injecting into a cold muscle.
Injecting warm oil into a cold muscle.
Injecting cold oil into a warm muscle.
Injecting into a tensed muscle (this can actually be hard to avoid when you're doing it post workout to warm the muscle, and you have pumps on cycle. Let it rest for 5 minutes or so).
Injecting with a high heart rate - which also makes it hard to hold steady. Again, rest a bit post workout.
Injecting before letting the alcohol-wiped area dry.
Shaking the needle excessively.
Injecting way too fast.
Alcohol wiping straight after pinning.
But by far and away what makes it the absolute worst even if you do everything else above right - using 'dirty' gear. That is, gear that is laced with way too much Benzyl Alcohol to make it sterile, and/or using an inferior carrier oil - perhaps even just one that your body doesn't agree with.
The last stuff I used was utter garbage and the amount of alcohol content just irritated the site so much that I'd get Test flu, lumps and pains for days after from my body thinking it was being attacked. And I had to religiously workout first to warm up, warm the oil, pin, and then rush to the shower to use a hot water massage for 20 mins just to lessen the pain the next day. And it was always there, just in varying degrees. Thigh pins were out of the question because I'd be limping for a solid week. It would hurt when I was actually pinning, and even when it didn't, it always hurt for days after.
However.
I'm on some new stuff now for the past 3 weeks and so far, it's absolutely FLAWLESS. It's a mix of MCT oils (like coconut and apricot, and is paler and less yellow) not LCT oils and actually has just the right amount of BA. And I cannot ever feel a thing, unless I disregard all my points above, and even then I'll only get the dullest feeling if I really hit the area the next day. No flu ever. In-fact I'm even thinking of reattempting thigh pins now to give my delts a break.
My routine out of habit is still:
Workout, or at least do some stretches and movements to warm the muscle. Let it rest for 5 minutes.
Preheat the oven for 2 minutes, draw my gear, turn the oven off, open it up and hold the syringe near the doorway to let the hot air warm the gear as I roll it in my hand. (I don't like the idea of potentially contaminating the whole vial and using water etc, so I only ever heat what's in the syringe). Change loader needle (21) to pin needle (25) so it's not scorching hot I do this now, after the heating. Grab a tear of tissue.
Sit on a chair (feet always planted so you don't bounce on pointed toes and shake), pull one arm across my chest with the other (which seems to also relax the opposing arm, leaving the other to pin).
Slip it in, aspirate, inject slowly, pause, slip out and then grab my small tissue tear-off and hold it on the area to stop any bleeding and oil. Apply pressure with a little rub.
And then out of habit now I usually just go take my shower, wash my hands, then give the area a little rub.
Good as gold. ZERO pain. The quality of gear and what suits your body makes the most difference IMO.
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'I slice my wrists and let the remnants of whiny bitch run out. PIP...fuck PIP. I eat PIP sandwiches and smoke gasoline soaked sticks of TNT for leisure. I don't fear PIP, PIP fears me dammit.' - Oprah Winfrey
Think she said this in Vanity Fair one year.
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