Any benefit off this ?
I have both, pharma grade.
I have both, pharma grade.
Test E to Test Sus last 2 / 4 weeks of cycle ?
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I'd stick with whatever you start with. It doesn't make sense to switch around esters on cycle intentionally
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cbbram00
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That's a terrible idea... If you're going to PCT Sustanon will just make it worse due to the undecanoate ester. Just stick to the same ester.
nice1.I am adding in 70mg Anavar daily for the last 6 weeks to get leaner, reduce water and solidify gains. I just wanted to make sure if switvhing to a short ester could help
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cbbram00
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Sustanon is a blend of multiple esters. Test Prop will reduce water to a certain degree. Varies from individual to individual. Anavar will not make you any leaner. Dropping your calories or carbs will do that. Anavar may assist some but only if you make the necessary changes in your diet.
I was told to never drop calories leading to the end of a cycle. Macros and the end of a cyycle is confusing.
I want to keep all of my gains leading into my 6 week pct and minimise fat... I am going to be on a 500 - 750 surpluss at the end of my cycle. Is it best to then lower cals to just above maintaince once you're leading into pct, but not actually in maitnance ? Very confusing !
'Anavar may assist some but only if you make the necessary changes in your diet.'
Why do so many people use it to wrap up a bulk cycle then?
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btw. using Anavar as its less likely to have any affect on the old mop (hair) and milder on the liver,
I want to keep all of my gains leading into my 6 week pct and minimise fat... I am going to be on a 500 - 750 surpluss at the end of my cycle. Is it best to then lower cals to just above maintaince once you're leading into pct, but not actually in maitnance ? Very confusing !
'Anavar may assist some but only if you make the necessary changes in your diet.'
Why do so many people use it to wrap up a bulk cycle then?
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btw. using Anavar as its less likely to have any affect on the old mop (hair) and milder on the liver,
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cbbram00
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Bro your not going to lose fat or get leaner eating in a 500-750 calorie surplus. That's just absurd. Anavar is not a magic pill to make you leaner. If your goal is to bulk then bulk.
Absoluely. I plan too. I am here for advice and take that on board
I guess anavar is a waste on the end of a bulk then? What would be suitable at the end of a bulk to really harden you up and solidfy your gains?
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cbbram00
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I would not add the Anavar in this situation. I would use it when you're ready to cut.
Anavar is a waste at any time in my opinion. It's weak and made for women.
You are contradicting yoursekf asking what to use to harden up after a bulk. Your diet needs to change to do that, then you can add compounds like s4 and gw, or winstrol
Noted guys. Thx for the hard cutting honesty (standard procedure)
Can you tell me what YOU would recommend orals wise and why YOU would use it - for the back end of a 12 week cycle BULK in a 500 cal surpluss ?
Can you tell me what YOU would recommend orals wise and why YOU would use it - for the back end of a 12 week cycle BULK in a 500 cal surpluss ?
Reread what I said above if you want advice
We criss crossed then. I posted rigth after you had done that.
Stats at start of bulk
34 years old
170lbs
11% BF (7 point calliper test)
5.11
Training 5 years
3 weeks in to Test E 500mg a week with the propper AI dossage, PCT plan and all supplies.
Everyone has said I should have bulked up to 190 before doing AAS, and Im not here to argue. Made huge changes to my body and felt like I wanted to do a lean cycle at this body composition. I cut down over 9 months from 205 (due to a shoulder issue and then a trapped nerve.
I didnt wait to go to 190/200 and I started, so thats that. Other than that fact I am doing everything 200% right.I say this as I know thats what everone says. So just giving a heads up to why Ive done it like this.
Stats at start of bulk
34 years old
170lbs
11% BF (7 point calliper test)
5.11
Training 5 years
3 weeks in to Test E 500mg a week with the propper AI dossage, PCT plan and all supplies.
Everyone has said I should have bulked up to 190 before doing AAS, and Im not here to argue. Made huge changes to my body and felt like I wanted to do a lean cycle at this body composition. I cut down over 9 months from 205 (due to a shoulder issue and then a trapped nerve.
I didnt wait to go to 190/200 and I started, so thats that. Other than that fact I am doing everything 200% right.I say this as I know thats what everone says. So just giving a heads up to why Ive done it like this.
In doing more resaerch it seems T-Bol would be a much better option than Var.. Intersting !
adding anavar would make no sense whatsoever... none plus you wanted to run it too high... being abusive with dosing will get you nowhere good whatsoever... winstrol is what i would use here... its not a "bulking steroid" however it will clean everything up and still add lean muscle and a lot of strength.. MANY people bulking run it on the back end of their cycle... thats what i would go with... MAKE SURE you are protecting yourself with whatever oral you use because they are highly toxic... here is a link to my new organ defense product... https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
I am picking this up at the end of the month bro. Woudnt run orals without it after your advice on youtube.
A question though....
If i wanted to avoid Winny... What would yoy say to 60mg a day of Tbol weeks 9-14 ?
Winny is one to avoid for me due to the DHT,
I have 'read' that Tbol at the end can really work wonders in adding strenth while your Test E starts to slow down and also add some extra lean mass.
either way, Organ ST will be used.
you can go with tbol, yes... i love tbol... winstrol is the better option but if you cant run it, tbol would definitely be my next choice
60mg a day?
yes, 60 mg a day
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