Sarms Newbie, 1-year lifting experience, Question

[dissonance1]

Hi all,

I've been lifting for about 1 year now, and gained 20 pounds of fat+muscle (had some breaks interspersed, and lost mass). I've discovered SARMS recently and been reading about it. I'm thinking of doing a Ostarine + Nutrobal stack for mass gain sometime. Is this a good stack to do? And to clarify, Nutrobal doesn't cause test suppression, correct? I'm just wondering if combining the two increase the test suppression? Either way, I'm wondering do people take some products during the cycle to preemptively prevent test suppression?

Also, what is the recommended PCT for this stack? I'm going to be doing a medium dose, like 25mg for both of them, and going for 8 weeks. Is 8 weeks a good time to go for each?

In addition, I was told that with Ostarine, I can increase workout frequency and workout length. I was thinking of combining Mondays and Tuesdays workouts into one day, and Wednesdays and Thursdays workout into one day, and alternating those two. Thus, increasing both frequency and length of workouts. Is this ok to do? What if I add more volume as well? I currently try to do strength workouts that have 3-5 sets and 4-8 reps.

And finally, should I keep my diet the same, or what should I do to have maximum muscle gain, with no fat gain? I currently am 6'1, 180 lbs, and around 16-18% body fat. I eat 2600 calories a day with the correct macros, and my maintenance is 2200. If eat for fat loss, say a 25% deficit, would my muscle gains be lesser than if I ate at either the 400 calorie surplus or just maintenance, with this SARM stack?

Any other thoughts or info that you might feel is related would be appreciated as well.

 

[DylanGemelli]

you want to start your eating at 250 calories below maintenance if your trying to recomp... sarms are perfect for melting fat and still building muscle in the process...

bro, 8 weeks is just getting started on nutrobal... you want to run it 6 months to a year.... 8 weeks is too short for anything you run with sarms... what is your main goal here?? are you wanting a recomp, going for more of a cut, ?? let me know an i can design your cycle..

 

[dissonance1]

Hmm... here's a pic of me, and then a couple ideas of my goal physique:

Would recomp be the fastest way to get there? Or a bulk then cut? And if I'm on SARMS, would the muscle gains from the recomp be slower than doing a caloric surplus, like it would be if natty?

Also, I took a look at Cardarine, and that looks appealing too. Would adding it in there for a bulk be good, or only for re-comp? And to clarify, you meant nutrobal should be run for 6-12 months, right? And Ostarine should be 4-12 weeks only per cycle?

By the way, on my pic, the nipples, does that look like developing Gynecomastia, or just that I need to lose some body fat?

 

[RickRock]

You don't want to start doubling up on workouts or anything like that while on sarms bro. While they can help recovery to a large degree, remember that you grow in the kitchen and while resting, not in the gym.

It looks to me like you should do a recomp, and I would structure your diet in a slight deficit for that goal....add cardio, etc. you could stand to put on some muscle for sure as well, so I wouldn't dip your calories too low.

Check out this thread, and it might help get you in the right direction with your diet https://www.isarms.com/forums/steroids-sarms-information/diet-nutrition-basics-101-a-3314.html


For your goals I think you are best to go with a sarms stack. These are the compounds I think would suit you best for your goals

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/super-stack-12-weeks-2

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

PCT

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day



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[JackSteel]

Nutrabol has nothing to do with test so no it doesn't. It doesn't suppress any hormones at all.


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[JackSteel]

Muscle burns fat bro. Eat a clean muscle building type diet and you make gains while cutting fat. This physique will take years to accomplish so be patient.


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[dissonance1]

Much thanks for the info.

 

[dissonance1]

Also, just wondering what are the most anabolic & muscle building SARMs from most to least out of these: Ostarine, Testolone, Anabolicum, Andarine?

I've been reading more, and it seems like there are so many compounds that I need to learn about, hah. This place seems like the place to do it though.

 

[RickRock]

Also, just wondering what are the most anabolic & muscle building SARMs from most to least out of these: Ostarine, Testolone, Anabolicum, Andarine?

I've been reading more, and it seems like there are so many compounds that I need to learn about, hah. This place seems like the place to do it though.

Anabolicum and Tesotolone are the most powerful for muscle building, and Ostarine has excellent muscle building properties as well. Andarine is better for strength, but also has muscle building properties

You can get info on each sarm with very in depth videos on the isarms YouTube channel

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[dissonance1]

Ahh okay thanks. So with the stack you recommend, I'm guessing there would be more suppression going on right, since they are stacked together? If I wanted to run for say, 8 weeks, with the PCT, how much time would I feel the effects of suppression? I completely new to all this stuff, and I've read that stacking SARMs can cause shutdown. What are the symptoms of effects of shutdown/suppression? Will I feel like complete shit? Depressed, anxious, etc? I just don't want to feel shitty at any point in time.

Also, what does all that mean in the PCT:

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

How long do I take these for? What does 50/25/25/25 mean?

Sorry I'm a complete SARMs newbie, with no knowledge of steroids either at all. The words test suppression and test shutdown sort of scare me.

 

[RickRock]

Ahh okay thanks. So with the stack you recommend, I'm guessing there would be more suppression going on right, since they are stacked together? If I wanted to run for say, 8 weeks, with the PCT, how much time would I feel the effects of suppression? I completely new to all this stuff, and I've read that stacking SARMs can cause shutdown. What are the symptoms of effects of shutdown/suppression? Will I feel like complete shit? Depressed, anxious, etc? I just don't want to feel shitty at any point in time.

Also, what does all that mean in the PCT:

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

How long do I take these for? What does 50/25/25/25 mean?

Sorry I'm a complete SARMs newbie, with no knowledge of steroids either at all. The words test suppression and test shutdown sort of scare me.

Hey bro, I know you re complete.y new to sarms, but you are drastically overplaying the suppression of them. Yes, sarms do cause some suppression to some degree, but they are nothing like steroids and will not shut you down like steroids do. Shutdown is when you feel like complete shit, have no natural test, libido, etc...land sarms will do none of that. They may lower your levels to some degree, but it's generally not even perceptible by you. That's also the reason the pct ran after a sarms cycle is very light in comparison to running steroids.

For the pct 50/25/25/25 means 50mg per day the first week, and 25mg per day for the rest of the 4 week pct.

You would also take GW at 20mg per day for the 4 weeks after your cycle in Pct


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[dissonance1]

Okay that's a relief, hah. So after the PCT, I should be back to complete normal health in all regards right? And even combining all 4 of these SARMs, I won't notice the amount of test suppression from doing a 8-12 week cycle? And then, what about 4-6 weeks?

 

[dissonance1]

lol it shouldn't have any noticeable effect on your health bud. no, you shouldn't notice the suppression from the cycle. ive done many SARMS cycles.

Awesome, lol. I'm even more stoked to try this shit out then. Have you tried the stack that's mentioned earlier in this thread? Is suppression noticeable if you add even more onto the stack?

 

[DylanGemelli]

Okay that's a relief, hah. So after the PCT, I should be back to complete normal health in all regards right? And even combining all 4 of these SARMs, I won't notice the amount of test suppression from doing a 8-12 week cycle? And then, what about 4-6 weeks?

if you run the right pct we recommended you should absolutely have a full and complete recovery... you can start sarms immediately upon completing pct... there is the possibility of MINIMAL suppression once you exceed 4 weeks of sarms use but you won't even notice it and it will be a very easy recovery of only 2-3 weeks, if that, and you will be good to go... you are going to love the gains and you are going to feel like a million dollars...

 

[dissonance1]

if you run the right pct we recommended you should absolutely have a full and complete recovery... you can start sarms immediately upon completing pct... there is the possibility of MINIMAL suppression once you exceed 4 weeks of sarms use but you won't even notice it and it will be a very easy recovery of only 2-3 weeks, if that, and you will be good to go... you are going to love the gains and you are going to feel like a million dollars...

I remember reading in one of the videos on the isarms site, I think it might have been anabolicum, the guy said that it has a suppression of at most 40%. When combining a fat stack of almost all sarms in a stack such as RAD-140, LGD-4033, S4, GW-510516, MK2866, MK-677 (i left out stenabolic cuz i don't want to dose multiple times a day, nor will i be able to; work etc), wouldn't the suppression be even higher? I'm guessing it would be at least 50% suppression at that point. Am I misunderstanding what he means by 40% suppression? Because those numbers don't sound like "minimal" to me. I'm completely new to all this, sorry if this is a dumb question.