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Prohormone

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Hey guys I'm new here.I have a question about Prohormone
Alpha 1 Max by Blackstone Labs.I wanna start using it, can you guys gave me some tips about PCT?What is the best PCT for this type of Prohormone.Thank you so much.
 
Hey guys I'm new here.I have a question about Prohormone
Alpha 1 Max by Blackstone Labs.I wanna start using it, can you guys gave me some tips about PCT?What is the best PCT for this type of Prohormone.Thank you so much.

I would not recommend going near that prohoromone at all bro. What is your stats, experience, and goals? I can help you set up something far better than that
 
Toxicity is a major issue with PH's. Also you realize that in comparison to SARMs or gear results will be a fraction of what you could achieve and most likely all lost. How old are you?
 
I would recommend s SARMs stack available from SARMSX, their product is consistent and reliable. Many members here supplement with SARMs alone versus gear and have had great results. I use SARMs as well, but in conjunction with gear so I cannot fully attest to what they are capable of alone. I have read logs where persons were reporting up to as much as 6% BF loss while gaining 10 pounds of muscle within 12 weeks which is impressive and doesn't have the harsh sides and inherent risks of a poorly managed AAS cycle, or PH run (one of the worst AAS knock off products ever made). SARMs are much safer, simpler to understand and use. Below is a cheat sheet I maintain written by one of the many knowledgeable persons on this forum to keep myself aware of what each SARM does so I can pick and choose depending on my goal:

SARMs Cheat Sheet

• What it is:
Cardarine (GW-501516) is grouped in the category of SARMS, however in structure and definition, it is a PPAR modulator. As a PPAR modulator, it activates AMP-activated protein kinase and stimulates glucose uptake in skeletal muscle tissue. GW-501516 possesses abilities to reverse metabolism problems by stimulating fatty acid oxidation. It is considered a strong treatment for obesity and other related conditions.

FUNCTIONS:
Several research studies have been conducted on rats with Cardarine (GW-501516) implementation. GW is a selective agonist, or activator, of the PPAR receptor. The binding of GW-501516 to PPAR recruits the co activator PGC-1a. The PPAR/co activator complex then up regulates the expression of proteins involved in energy expenditure.

GW-501516 has also show to increase fatty acid metabolism in skeletal muscle and protect against obesity caused from diet. Testing conducted on obese rhesus monkeys proved GW increased HDL (good cholesterol) and lowered VLDL (bad cholesterol). GW was originally intended to be created as a treatment for cholesterol problems, which it has shown to possess a high rate of efficacy in doing.

Uses and Abilities:
GW-501516 possesses many strong attribute and abilities but is known for two major strengths.

The endurance benefits that can be obtained with GW-501516 research are unmatched. There is a strong reason that it has been banned in many professional sport settings, most notably, the Olympics, NCAA and with professional cyclists. GW-501516 can drastically improve endurance over extended periods of time but expanding the VO2 max, allowing for continuous improvements in aerobic capacity. This allows for research subjects to reach potential that would otherwise be unattainable. GW allows one to overcome plateaus and reach peak level.

GW-501516 was originally designed to treat cholesterol and this is a characteristic that should never be forgotten, yet in many circumstances, it is. Although this is an extremely strong characteristic, this is not one of the top two major strengths it is known for. This characteristic is that of fat loss. GW is extremely desirable because it has the ability to shed fat rapidly while staying in a non-catabolic state. GW gives one the ability to drop fat at a far higher rate than generally possibly, yet in an extremely safe facet.

Side effects:
GW has not shown to have any side effects. There have been several studies on GW and there is always one controversial study that will continue to show. The study showed GW to possibly cause cancer in rats. These study has been refuted time and time again. The study had rats taking extreme amounts of GW for extended periods of time. Other studies dosed properly have not show any side effects to be present. GW has no toxicity, no suppression and no other know side effects. Dosing lengths generally run 8-16 weeks at 10 to 20 mg per day, 20 mg being the most common and most effective.


What is Mk2866?
Ostabolic (MK2866) is classified as a SARM. It was initially developed to treat and prevent muscle wastage amongst cancer and osteoporosis patients. It has been considered and hoped to be used for preventing muscle atrophy, cachexia and sarcopnia and has also been discussed for use during TRT/HRT

How it works:
Ostabolic binds to the AR (androgen receptor) which demonstrates anabolic activity in the bone and muscle. MK allows for muscle growth by find and activating the AR. By binding to the AR, MK increases protein synthesis and alters the expression of genes. MK2866 almost exclusively exerts its anabolic effects on muscle tissue and minimizes muscle atrophy, most notably during recovery periods from surgeries and injuries. This makes MK useful and desirable in numerous instances. MK is highly effects at gaining and/or maintaining extremely lean body mass.

Injury Prevention:
One of the major benefits of Ostabolic use is the healing benefits. These benefits translate into anabolism of the both the bone and skeletal tissues. Research has shown that these effects allow it to be used in a variety of ways, most notably in the treatment of osteoporosis and muscle wasting. It is also a strong compliment to other treatments that treat bone density reduction. MK has extremely strong benefits when used for injury rehabilitation. MK provides REAL healing as opposed to methods that act as a band aid, providing temporary relief and only masking the injury. MK actually heals an injury at a rapid rate.

Estrogen Concerns:
SARMS do not aromatize, conferring all their effects to AR binding and not to metabolic conversion to active androgens/estrogens. There have been rare circumstances in blood work from research subjects showing slightly elevated estradiol levels (which correlates with its effectiveness in treating bone, tendon and ligament injuries). These rare circumstances have only shown small and slight increases and are not a cause for concern, but more so, just to be aware of the small possibility. When there is concern of estrogen issues occurring, it is always wise to have an aromatase inhibitor, such as aromasin or arimidex, on hand in case treatment is necessary.

Slight Suppression:
MK-2866 can be slightly suppressive when exceeding 4 weeks of use. This suppression has shown to be extremely minimal and no cause for concern or worry. A strong test booster can be used in conjunction with MK to ensure less than minimal amounts of suppression occurs. A 3-4 week mini post cycle therapy protocol is all that is need after use. Recovery time takes 2-3 weeks.

MK-2866 advantages and benefits:

HighlyAnabolic even at moderate doses
Excellent for lean mass gains
Truly shines when used for body recomposition
Helps increase endurance (aerobic or anaerobic)
Joint and Injury healing abilities
Half life of 24 hours which requires dosing only once a day
Non methylated so no negative effects on liver, blood pressure or other internal organs
Minimal suppression and only a mini pct is required with rapid recovery time
Great sense of well being while on
Large increases in strength


WHAT IS LGD?

Anabolicum (LGD-4033) is categorized as a SARM. LGD has the capability to bind to the AR (androgen receptor) with an extremely high affinity. LGD is generally classified as an AR ligand that is tissue selective. It was originally developed to treat muscle wasting in cancer patients, age-related muscle loss as well as acute and chronic illness.

BENEFITS OF LGD:

Anabolicum (LGD) can produce the therapeutic benefits of testosterone but in a far safer way. This is due to it's tissue-selective mechanism of action in conjunction with an administration taken orally. It also contains the ability to have anabolic activity in muscles, anti-resorptive and anabolic activity in bones as well as a selectivity for muscle and bone versus prostate and sebaceous glands.

LGD has also shown to have strong healing benefits. This characteristic show sit to be a very strong compliment to Ostabolic (MK-2866) and Nutrobal (MK677) in a healing protocol.

Many view LGD as the strongest and most anabolic SARM in existence. LGD can add large amounts of size without carrying the dangers and potential side effects associated with steroid use.

Side Effects:

Anabolicum (LGD) does come with side effects, although they have shown to be minimal through studies. Suppression from LGD-4033 can occur in minimal increments. Studies have shown this to be dose dependent but there has also been a decrease in total and free testosterone levels as well as SHBG levels. Intriguing findings through studies revealed no significant decrease in LH or FSH levels. This finding is very encouraging as it proves that although mildly suppressive, recovery will be short and sweet. LGD is non methylated and contains no toxicity. LGD does not convert to estrogen but in rare circumstances, has caused slight estrogen irritation for very few research subjects. An aromatase inhibitor should always be on hand, even if circumstances are rare. As with other sarms, a mini post cycle therapy is all that is needed with 2-3 weeks being the expected recovery time.

LGD BENEFITS:

Highly anabolic with results similar to anabolics
Extremely minimal side effects
Fast recovery time
Excellent for recomposition
Contains healing properties
Can prevent muscle wasting
Works well as a stand alone or stacked
Excellent for strength and size
 
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What is Andarine (S-4)?
Andarine (S-4) is categorized as a SARM as well as a research chemical. S-4 was designed to treat several severe medical conditions, such as, muscle wasting, osteoporosis and benign prostatic hyptertrophy, using the non-steroidal androgen antagonist bicalutamide as a lead compound.

S-4 is an orally partial agonist for androgen receptors. Carrying this quality allows S4 to maintain and add lean body mass. When being compared to testosterone and other forms of steroids, the advantages of SARMS like S4, is they do not have androgenic activity in non-skeletal muscles.

S4 is often thought of as the strongest SARM, in terms of the many capabilities it has. It is a lean body mass builder, as well as strength and vascularity enhancer.

How does it work?
SARMS themselves bind to the AR (androgen receptor) and demonstrate osteo (bone) and myo (muscular anabolic activity. When something binds and activates the AR, it alters the expression of genes and increases protein synthesis, which in turn builds muscle.

SARMS cause muscle growth in the same method as steroids, the difference being that SARMS do not enhance the growth of ones prostate and other sexual organs. SARMS do not cause the many problems that anabolics can cause. SARMS do not have toxicity, in some circumstances only cause minimal suppression, allowing for a rapid recovery, as opposed to steroids that can cause long term problems from the high rates of suppression and provide a sense of well being each day that many steroids cannot cause.

S4 binds to the AR in muscle and bone at a third of the affinity as testosterone.

Evidence of S-4 Abilities?
Several studies have been conducted on S4. Here are some of the results found:

S4 dosed at 3 mg/kg/day had the ability to restore strength and skeletal muscle in castrated rats which proves it's ability for the treatment of muscle wasting and male HRT.

In a 120 day study comparing S4 to DHT (dihydrostesterone) treatment in overiectomized rats, showed S4 had the ability to maintain bone strength and mass and that S4 exhibited a much higher efficacy rate than DHT as well.

As noted earlier, S4 showed the ability to improve skeletal muscle strength but also to increase lean body mass, reduce body fat and prevent bone loss.

Strength gains and Lean mass gains
Andarine (S-4) is well known for the increases in strength that it provides. S4 provides huge amounts of strength, stamina and aides in rapid recovery. There is no estrogen conversion, no water retention or bloat and no toxicity. S4 is anabolic in nature so strength gains are obtained rapidly and lean mass is the primary attainment from use.

S-4 has a very short half life, spanning 4-6 hours, thus requiring multiple dosing. It is optimal to take one dose in the morning and another 4-6 hours later. Due to the short half life, many have found it to be optimal to take one dose 30 minutes prior to a workout, resulting with increased performance in the gym.

S-4 side effects
Andarine (S-4) does not carry many side effects but there is often one well known side effect commonly associated with use. It sounds far more than it actually is so a deep understanding of it is required. Many researchers often report night vision problems when using S4. These are not permanent and only present with S4 use. In short, a metabolite of S4 binds to the receptor in the eye, causing a yellow tint to appear when switching from dark to lighted areas, especially prevalent in the evenings. It is impossible to gauge if/when/how it binds and how bad the effect can be. Some barely experience it at all while others can find it more difficult to manage.

Although these side effects are temporary, if they are still a concern, as suggested earlier, a 5 on 2 off protocol where S-4 is used for 5 days followed by a 2 day break (then this cycle is repeated) would be the suggested research dosing method.

S4 does not aromatize, nor do any other SARMS. S4 has never shown any sort of estrogen elevation. Since it has slight androgenic activity, it gives the opposite effect and actually reduces any bloating present. The hardening effects S4 provides only confirms this.

Some users have shown very slight suppression when using S4. A short, mini post cycle therapy regiment is required with use, but the recovery time is only 2-3 weeks after completion.

Advantages Of S4 when compared to Steroids/Prohormones

S4 is non toxic and has no negative effect on the liver, blood pressure or any other internal organs.
There is not a full post cycle therapy nor recovery period required (generally only 2-3 weeks)
Researchers will have a far greater sense of well being while on S4
There is not a significant requirement for time off in between cycles.
S4 provides steroid like results without the steroid like side effects

WHAT IS MK-677
Nutrobal (MK-677) is a chemical that has the characteristics of human growth hormone (HGH). It is an orally active growth hormone secretagogue. A secretagogue causes substances to be secreted. MK677 has the ability because of its ability to mimic the GH stimulating action a hormone called “ghrelin.” Ghrelin is categorized as a peptide, commonly referred to as “the hunger hormone,” which explains the drastic rise in appetite with 677 use. Ghrelin plays a large role in regulating the distribution as well as rate of energy use. It is imperative to understand all of these concepts to decipher the many capabilities that 677 has. mk677 can not only increase plasma levels of many types of hormones, but also provide sustainable increases. These are long term and not just “for the time being” types of increases. Studies show that Nutrobal can increase muscle mass and bone mineral density as well as altering the metabolism of body fat, possibly becoming a treatment for obesity.

BENEFITS OF MK-677:
Nutrobal (MK-677) studies have been conducted since the late 90's. There is a wide array of benefits that have been found with use. The main benefit that consistently shows in study is the increase in growth hormone and IGF-levels provided with use. These have shown to be significant increases in regards to both. Below is a list of other significant benefits found through studies and implementation on humans:

Increases in fat free mass
Enhanced sleep quality
A treatment for obesity and fat loss
Lowering of bad cholesterol (LDL)
Significant improvements in nitrogen balance
Reversal of diet-induced nitrogen wasting
Treatment of catabolic conditions
Increase in basil metabolic rate
Oral administration (no injections required)
Overall sense of well-being


It is evident by the list of benefits that MK677 is highly desirable. These benefits, in conjunction with the very small chance of side effects show MK677 to be a breakthrough.

SIDE-EFFECTS:
As stated above, MK677 carries little to no side effects however it is always important to understand the possibilities that could occur with use.
The main “side effect” associated with MK677 is the increase in appetite, which may be welcome by many research subjects. Studies show this to subside after 4-8 weeks, variant from person to person. The other side effects that showed, that were very infrequent and uncommon were mild lower extremity edema and muscle pain. Secretagogues generally carry the worry of prolactin increase, however studies with MK677 did not show any increase in prolactin levels. Cortisol levels were not increased in studies either. These traits make Nutrobal stand out amongst other chemicals that attempt to work in the same manner but carry these unwanted side effects.

DOSING:
Studies conducted had dosing between 5-25 mg per day, with 25 mg being the most common and effective dose. MK677 has a 24 hour half life and showed to be best tolerated when fed to rats each morning on an empty stomach. MK677 has extreme benefits in regards to helping with a deeper sleep however it can interfere with sleep patterns if taken too late at night or too close to bed time. MK677 can be used continuously for 1-2 years with no concern of desensitizing.
 
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What is it?
Stenabolic (SR9009) is a brand new chemical that has proven in animal studies to boost exercise endurance as well as treat metabolic syndrome. SR-9009 is often referred to as “exercise in a bottle” due to the rapid increase in metabolism that occurs with use. Scientists believe that SR9009 will be used in the future as a cure for illnesses that severely limit exercise endurance. These instances would include: obesity, congestive heart failure, COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) as well as the deterioration of muscle capacity that is commonly linked with the again process.

How it works:
Stenabolic (SR9009) possesses the capabilities of reducing obesity as well as reversing metabolic syndrome. In animal studies, it has shown to increase the metabolic activity of skeletal muscle in mice. Treated mice became lean while developing larger muscles. They also had a 50% increase in running ability, imitating the effect of aerobic exercise. Stenabolic alters the metabolic profile of skeletal muscle in a manner similar to the changes observed in animals that are endurance trained. In simple terms, SR9009 sends a signal to the muscle to tell it to modify it's current metabolism.

During the day, metabolism naturally speeds up and slows down. This means that at times, food is used for energy and at other times, it gets stored as fat. SR9009 re-sync's a dysfunctional metabolic clock ensuring that food and excess fat are used as energy. It binds to Rev-erba, which is a natural protein in the body that influences lipid and glucose metabolism in the liver, inflammatory responses and fat-storing cells. This process allows SR9009 to kick start metabolism, along with increasing muscle strength.

Side-effects:
As of now, studies have shown no side effects present with SR9009 use. There is no suppression present and no other side effects known at this time. It is still highly recommended to use caution with any research protocol and stay within studied dosing, however, no negative effects have been seen.

Dosing:
The half life of SR9009 is extremely short and dosing every 2 hours is recommended. A protocol of 30-40 mg per day has shown to be optimal for the best research results. As the dosing gets in the 40 mg range, dosing 10 mg every 3-4 hours would be fine but at 30 mg per day, 6 equal doses of 5 mg every 2 hours is optimal for the best testing results.


What is it?
Testolone (RAD-140) is designed to make hormonal receptors in the tissues act as though they are getting a strong dose of testosterone. This gives the same effect as if running a cycle of anabolics and/or prohormones without the negative side effects that correlate with use.

Benefits:
Along with the effects of testosterone discussed above, Testolone (RAD-140) also carries other significant benefits. Enhanced speed, stamina and endurance when doing high intensity is a key benefit shown in research tests with RAD implementation. Another huge benefit shown with RAD research is a rapid buildup of muscular tissues. Studies have also shown that RAD contains a greater anabolic effect than testosterone when used.


Dosing:
Studies are still being conducted to ensure the proper doses are recommended for testing to maximize the research benefits. Studies to date have implemented a method of 0.3, 3 and 30 milligrams of RAD per day based on body weight of the research subject; however, many have come to the conclusion that 20-30 milligrams per day is the proper protocol for the most benefit in the safest manner of research dosing.


Side Effects:
There have not been any side effects found to date. This is also a breakthrough considering that regular testosterone causes drastic suppression where RAD has not shown these kinds of issue, nor has it shown any estrogen conversion or any typical testosterone, anabolic and androgenic side effects.

Conclusion:
Based on current findings and testing, RAD is showing to be a significant breakthrough in the medical field. While very new and still being tested, results thus far have been nothing but encouraging and as time progresses, RAD will likely become widely known as a replaced for testosterone replacement therapy or a safer alternative. Time will tell but research indicates a bright future
 
What a well thought out & intelligent post 44.With no sarcasm or smartassery.What's gotten into you? :p
 
prohormones are junk, especially blackstone labs, they used to be big and great but they are just pushing toxic junk now, SARMS would be a safer and better route
 
I'm 28, 230 lb and 17% body fat.I workout pretty much whole my life, but I'm trying to put some more size
You don't want to use prohormones bro. They are junk and you especially don't at your elevated bodyfat. You should run a sarms stack that will help you get into better condition while adding mass and strength in the process. Here is what I'd recommend to you

you can get everything listed at www.sarmsx.com

here is the layout

1-12 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 MK677 25mg per day dosed in the am
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 LGD 10mg per day dosed in the am

PCT

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)
 
What a well thought out & intelligent post 44.With no sarcasm or smartassery.What's gotten into you? :p

Don't get excited bro, most of that shit was copy and paste from someone who actually enjoys using more than 27% of their brain... back to licking windows for me now. Buwahahahaa!
 
I'm 28, 230 lb and 17% body fat.I workout pretty much whole my life, but I'm trying to put some more size

you need to get your body fat down before you even consider a steroid or prohormone although there's only a handful of prohormones out there worth using... i have a sarms stack to add size but also help you get your body fat down... you can get everything listed at www.sarmsx.com

1-12 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day
 
i wouldnt recomend that product. I like prohormones but all the good ones were banned for use in the US
 
i wouldnt recomend that product. I like prohormones but all the good ones were banned for use in the US

Prohormones had their time and place. They were affordable to some extent depending on the number of compounds, but many were either under, or overdosed and provided no form of test base. I had my time with PH's and achieved as much as a 30 pound gain of lean kept muscle over a 3 year period, but it wreaked havoc on my BP and lipids. If you offered me free PH's for life I wouldn't take that shit. On gear I've put on 30 pounds in a matter of weeks running big doses and stuffing my face and kept like 20 pounds of it post cycle. PH's just like the ones this dick sold my son were too easy to get and too available to stupid kids and adult morons who just popped 3 pills a day with no idea of what else they needed.
 
Prohormones had their time and place. They were affordable to some extent depending on the number of compounds, but many were either under, or overdosed and provided no form of test base. I had my time with PH's and achieved as much as a 30 pound gain of lean kept muscle over a 3 year period, but it wreaked havoc on my BP and lipids. If you offered me free PH's for life I wouldn't take that shit. On gear I've put on 30 pounds in a matter of weeks running big doses and stuffing my face and kept like 20 pounds of it post cycle. PH's just like the ones this dick sold my son were too easy to get and too available to stupid kids and adult morons who just popped 3 pills a day with no idea of what else they needed.

i am in full agreement... there were a few that did work well, but that was a select few but what came along with that gain, they million sides, the feeling like complete shit, the attitude changes, etc.. its far from worth it... i would much rather run a real cycle as you pointed out and get it that way... prohormones were intended for people scared to use needles or to buy any sort of steroid for legality reasons... those were the two reasons... clearly the legality thing is out now so its really just the needle thing... which there is NOTHING to be scared of... unless your a recovering drug addict, which is a great excuse to not pin, im not accepting the fear thing... its like, come on... you want to be a big bad ass etc but your said of a needle? ive seen infants, pre schoolers etc. not even fucking flinch when getting a shot at the doctor... its like, come on, really? i get it if your scared your first pin, many of us ere but to act like its like getting shot or something is ridiculous... you could simply run test, deca and a good oral... i would go with tbol but many would opt for dbol or anadrol and you would gain far more, and not have as bad of sides (well maybe anadrol) but it would be a far better experience... if you ran test, deca and tbol, oh shit would you blow up and very clean without all that nastiness with a pro hormone... fuck, even test, eq and tbol for that matter to even cut the sides more.. you can get serious gains from this... why even consider a ph?
 
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