Please Help! - E2 & Prolactin Issues

[ThePineal]

Hi, I'm looking for reassurance that I'm doing the right thing to correct recent results, please let me know. Been on HRT all year, and started 200mg Deca/week 5 weeks ago for joint and tendon relief. Test dose is 150mg/week, pinned twice a week.

I did my research on Deca, and always saw that you must control prolactin with caber - so I've been taking 0.5mg E3D since I started 5 weeks ago. also was taking aromasin 12.5mg E3D, as I 'thought' that part of the reason I had joint pains was too low E2. However, recent blood results shows E2 and prolactin are totally out of whack.

Upon doing more research on low dose Deca cycles, I've seen a decent amount of people saying either they don't use caber at all, or 0.25mg, twice a week. Seeing as my prolactin is super low, and I'm on a low Deca dose, I'm thinking I'll just stop using caber altogether - but of course have it on hand.

here's my plan and what I've already done since seeing these results - please let me know your opinion if I've got it right.

• Took 12.5mg aromasin 3 days in a row, took today off
• Tomorrow, will resume aromasin 12.5mg EOD
• Continue Deca 200mg/week
• STOP caber altogether
• Upping T dose to 220mg/week
• Follow above protocol until 12th week (Sept 28th)
• After 12th week, stop Deca, drop T to 120mg/week TRT dose, probably switch to aromasin E3D

your insights would be much appreciated.

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[RickRock]

Bro your estrogen is pretty high. You need to run your Aromasin at 12.5mg ED and bring that down

 

[ThePineal]

Bro your estrogen is pretty high. You need to run your Aromasin at 12.5mg ED and bring that down

thanks RickRock. I took 12.5mg aromasin 3 days in a row, took today off - and was planning on starting EOD tomorrow.

How long would you suggest that I take 12.5mg ED for?

 

[RickRock]

thanks RickRock. I took 12.5mg aromasin 3 days in a row, took today off - and was planning on starting EOD tomorrow.

How long would you suggest that I take 12.5mg ED for?

You need to keep it at ED. Obviously 12.5mg EOD is not doing it for you if your E2 is over 80

 

[ThePineal]

You need to keep it at ED. Obviously 12.5mg EOD is not doing it for you if your E2 is over 80

I was running 12.5mg E3D for the past 5 weeks, and got these results on Aug-4 - which is the only time I increased the dose, starting ED on Aug-6, 7, 8.

If still running 200mg Deca/week, and 220mg T/week - how long would you suggest continuing 12.5mg aromasin ED for in order to bring e2 down to around 20-30? I'm guessing not longer than 7 days straight maximum?

 

[ThePineal]

In other words, roughly how many days of 12.5mg aromasin daily would it take to reduce E2 by about 60 pg/mL, while still running 220mg T/week and 200mg Deca/week?

 

[RickRock]

I have no idea what degree of estrogen sensitivity you have, but there isn't much difference between 12.5mg e3d and EOD. Not enough to cause it to go 60 points high. So I highly doubt 12.5mg EOD will control it enough for you. I'd run it 12.5mg ED for 10-14 days then get more bloodwork

 

[jp1957]

are doing trt, or a blast? With levels at 1400, you are already supraphysical, going to 220 even more so. TRT targets around 700-800, higher than that causes long term health issues.

You need to step back and figure some things out.

 

[ThePineal]

I have no idea what degree of estrogen sensitivity you have, but there isn't much difference between 12.5mg e3d and EOD. Not enough to cause it to go 60 points high. So I highly doubt 12.5mg EOD will control it enough for you. I'd run it 12.5mg ED for 10-14 days then get more bloodwork

hmmm...OK thanks. I'd rather it still be too high than too low, so will probably aim for 10 days before getting new tests done.

 

[ThePineal]

are doing trt, or a blast? With levels at 1400, you are already supraphysical, going to 220 even more so. TRT targets around 700-800, higher than that causes long term health issues.

You need to step back and figure some things out.

I was aiming for a TRT dose (150mg/week of Sustanon 275mg/ml), but somehow ended up with those levels - so now I figure I might as well do an 8 week blast while on the last 7 weeks of Deca.

 

[jp1957]

what is your body fat?

 

[ThePineal]

what is your body fat?

18-19%. I've dropped about 35lbs of fat already this year, and am aiming for another 10-15lbs less. one of the main challenges I've been having for cardio is tendonitis and joint pains all over - which is why I started Deca.

it's only been 5 weeks, but I 'think' I'm feeling the effects of the low dose Deca - fingers crossed it continues this way so I can get more cardio in.

 

[jp1957]

that is too high for steriods. Major bad plan. Thats why you have estrogen problems.

 

[RickRock]

18-19%. I've dropped about 35lbs of fat already this year, and am aiming for another 10-15lbs less. one of the main challenges I've been having for cardio is tendonitis and joint pains all over - which is why I started Deca.

it's only been 5 weeks, but I 'think' I'm feeling the effects of the low dose Deca - fingers crossed it continues this way so I can get more cardio in.

Your bodyfat being so high is why you are having estrogen problems, and why you have to run your ai so high. You aromatize at a much higher rate. That's a big reason why we tell people not to cycle at an elevated bodyfat

 

[ThePineal]

Your bodyfat being so high is why you are having estrogen problems, and why you have to run your ai so high. You aromatize at a much higher rate. That's a big reason why we tell people not to cycle at an elevated bodyfat

so if I was to drop back to about 110mg/week T, plus 200mg Deca per week - would you still suggest aromasin 12.5mg EOD, or E3D with my bodyfat? just concerned about E2 getting too low again.

BTW, I ran aromasin 12.5mg for 14 days straight, yesterday was first day without. was planning on switching to EOD from here on, then get another test in 1-2 weeks. however, if I'm going to lower the T down to 110mg/week - then I may need to adjust dosage frequency.

would appreciate your expertise.

 

[robthomas]

Bro 200 mg of deca is so dumb it's not this magical joint relief that you read about most of that talk was bullshit . Up the deca or just drop that shit all together . But to me it sounds like you didn't condition your self or did you come off a dirty bulk which most don't do in the summer . So it's time to pct and pull the plug on this cycle


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[ThePineal]

actually, I believe the joint relief is working pretty well for me - at 6 weeks into my 12 week cycle. I've got a shoulder impingement, and have had tendonitis on my knees, elbows, and 1 wrist for most of the year - changing in severity intermittently. I couldn't even dead hang for 10 seconds, cuz my shoulder would hurt too much.

as of now, I'm able to do pull ups with about 90% less pain, and most of my other joints/tendons are feeling much much better. I've heard that major joint relief is felt around the 7-9+ week mark with Deca, so looking forward to more relief.

I'm on TRT, and just decided to do an 8 week blast seeing as I have all the ancillaries on hand, no PCT needed, would just drop the dose to half. never done a bulk before, but you're right - I'm not in peak condition yet.

having said that, I'm getting decent gains, losing fat, and feeling pretty strong, with joint relief - so it's not 'that bad'. still thinking of finishing the blast, as I don't see it doing much damage if i cut the dose back after the 8 weeks, along with the end of Deca cycle - then just going back to normal TRT.

I just freaked out when I saw my prolactin and E2 so out of whack.

 

[robthomas]

250 is pointless you will not bulk with 250 350-400 if your going to run it run it to make sense and I hope you have caber either way . As far as your joints feeling better is just a band aid it won't fix anything . Your running two wet compounds so with high estrogen brings more water in the joints . Doesn't mean the deca is working at all


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[9th Wonder]

The true reliever of joint issues that truly fixes the problem is going to be sarms hands down.


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[ThePineal]

The true reliever of joint issues that truly fixes the problem is going to be sarms hands down.


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I ran MK-2866 for about 8-9 weeks with zero results. I've got a couple SARMS on hand, but haven't had much positive experiences thus far. started running MK-677.