Permanent Muscle

[domomac]

Hi Dylan,

I would first of all like to thank you for all the great information you give on your youtube channel and for helping thousands of people like myself. A bit of background about myself, I am 22 years old, 5 years, training experience, 5ft 10 and compete in classic physique last weighing in at 200lbs stage weight. I am also doing a masters degree in nutrition.

My number one priority is health, after all this is a passion of mine but not my livelihood. I have been researching building permanent muscle (hyperplasia from hgh and igf1) and would like your thoughts/advice on the subject. The reason for this is i would like to as safely as possible build new, permanent muscle cells while i am young and my body is still able to recover so that in future when i have a family, business commitments etc i do not have to run harsh anabolic compounds as i will already have solidified a base. My aim is to solidify a permanent lean 210-220lbs body weight. After reading many studies and meeting with two coaches of iffb pro’s this is the cycle i have come up with for overall health but also gaining permanent muscle over a four - six month period. I would be privileged if you could critique and possibly add to this using you expertise, thank you.


Anabolics

Weeks 1-24

Testosterone enanthate 300mg (monday and thursday injections)
Eq 750mg (monday and thursday)

HGH

HGH monday, Wednesday, friday - 5iu per day split into 5x1iu doses (with 1iu of insulin 3 of these, morning, pre workout and post workout)

IGF1 LR3 Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday 50mcgs upon waking

IGF1 DES intraworkout on lagging body parts.

The idea of alternating the HGH and IGF is to mae sure i don’t desensitise over the six months. What are your thoughts on this cycle to build permanent muscle in the safest way possible? I look forward to your thoughts.

Thank you again and I hope you are well,

 

[44YOGearHead]

In my personal opinion you'd be best served by utilizing the hgh, IGF LR3 and slin for maintainable growth. Are you intending to pin the IGF1 DES during your workout? You can't be in America if so. Suppressing your test with exogenous testosterone and variants of it will ultimately be counter productive imo. Yes you'd look great as long as your training and nutrition is on point, but you'd still have to deal with some muscle loss, desensitization and suppressed hormone levels. Personally, other than your young age and your desire to use true AAS with this it could meet your goals over a few years. Say 3-5. This is just my opinion based upon my experience with peptides and AAS.


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[DylanGemelli]

im sorry but in no way , shape or form would I or will advise you any sort of steroid use.. you want to use sarms and peptides, absolutely, but there NOTHING you can do or say that would make me advise any such absurdities regarding steroid use to a 22 year old... you make your own decisions and yo uare making yours and ultimately, many have to learn the hard way, which is a certainty with the path you are on... The problems with individuals that had not yet attained full physio-sexual development, is that that anabolic compounds are acting on locations within the central nervous system that are still under development. That is, that many receptors that are activated by Testosterone are STILL performing developmental functions, and you are stimulating them before they had the chance to fully create a working framework of hormonal balance that would sustain you for the rest of your adult life.

its all your call, but im certainly not contributing to that bro

 

[RickRock]

You have some incredible stats for someone 22 years old, especially if you actually hit the stage shredded at 200 lbs and 5'10"

That's one hell of a base already.

Do you have any cycling history or are you planning your first cycle?

You see, to have a good head on your shoulders want to do things the right and safe way, but at your age it's just not smart righ now. Use sarms and wait a couple more years for steroids.

You already have a good amount of mass as it is, so I'm not sure why you are pushing to have more right now with steroids when you are so young. This is a marathon and not a sprint brother. There's plenty of time down the road

 

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[JackSteel]

What is permanent muscle and how do get it???


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[JackSteel]

You seem like an intelligent guy but this little plan of yours is pretty confusing man. You say you're co corned with health but wanting to use HGH and steroids at 22. . Those two statements contradict each other. And while I understand what you mean by building permanent muscle cells this isn't going. To work out the way you think it is. You can't just use exogenous hormones at a certain age and then relax and enjoy your "permanent gains"... especially when you're fucking with the pituitary and HPTA.


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[domomac]

Thank you very much for your input. do you have any specific dosage recommendations/thoughts on the hgh, IGF1 LR3 or slin? yes i am in the uk and the DES would be pinned intraworkout on lagging body part training days.

 

[domomac]

Dylan, I completely understand your viewpoint on this and many others will agree with you. I won't press you further for information you are not comfortable giving. All i will say is thank you for the content you put out, it has helped me a lot and i will keep following and learning from you.

Dom

 

[domomac]

RickRock - thank you that is very much appreciated. I do put a lot of work into all aspects and have a love and goal of my own 'golden era' type physique. I do have two cycles under my belt, these being

test e 500mg/week (12 weeks)
winstrol 50mg e/d (weeks 9-14)

test c 300mg (1-16)
eq 750mg (1-16)
Tbol 50mg e/d (1-6)
Mast p 600mg (9-16)

I appreciate all your thoughts and acknowledge the juxtaposition between health and aas use. The reason to achieve hyperplasia/permanent new cells (that would of course be maintained by perfect nutrition, training etc and potentially low doses of aas) would be safer in terms of long term health than running higher doses/harsher compounds of aas year after year for a long time. I understand a lot may not agree with that view and i am open to constructive criticism that will, benefit myself and my health which is why any advice from yourself and other members is greatly appreciated.

Dom

 

[domomac]

Jacksteel - I completely understand the juxtaposition of the two and the do seem to contradict each other (my reasoning, right or wrong can be seen in my reply to RickRock). I would like to assure you though that there would be no relaxing, rather go just as hard and try to improve on the gains whilst having to use a lot less/less harsh anabolic compounds long term and improving on this base. I would appreciate any thoughts you have on this, thanks.

Dom

 

[domomac]

BigBusiness - thank you, much appreciated brother.

 

[BigBusiness]

BigBusiness - thank you, much appreciated brother.

Anytime domomac!!

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[DylanGemelli]

RickRock - thank you that is very much appreciated. I do put a lot of work into all aspects and have a love and goal of my own 'golden era' type physique. I do have two cycles under my belt, these being

test e 500mg/week (12 weeks)
winstrol 50mg e/d (weeks 9-14)

test c 300mg (1-16)
eq 750mg (1-16)
Tbol 50mg e/d (1-6)
Mast p 600mg (9-16)

I appreciate all your thoughts and acknowledge the juxtaposition between health and aas use. The reason to achieve hyperplasia/permanent new cells (that would of course be maintained by perfect nutrition, training etc and potentially low doses of aas) would be safer in terms of long term health than running higher doses/harsher compounds of aas year after year for a long time. I understand a lot may not agree with that view and i am open to constructive criticism that will, benefit myself and my health which is why any advice from yourself and other members is greatly appreciated.

Dom

you have very impressive stats and you are a lot smarter than most your age, this is quite evident but your issue here is you may be too smart for your own good.. this got me into MAJOR trouble when i was your age... the same thing... far too smart for my own good and then you think you can play the system or get around this or that etc.. whatever the scenario but you dont have the experience i and many others have, not even close... do you realize i deal with THOUSANDS of people DAILY... not weekly, DAILY so i THINK i grasp what you are getting yourself into... sometimes we just have to learn the hard way and unfortunately, that is where you are headed.. i hope you do well bro but i know what lies ahead and its a fucking shame because its quite clear to me that you have a lot going for you

 

[domomac]

Dylan - I know you are far more knowledgeable and experienced in this subject than me and I would never dream of making the mistake of thinking I am smarter than you (I want to learn from people like you and other members). Could you please expand on what you mean by what lies ahead if I carry on the way I'm headed as I would like to gain as much information from more knowledgeable people than me so I can do what is best for longevity in this sport. Thank you for your help.

Dom

 

[domomac]

I also would like to thank you for thinking I have a lot going for me and a good base it terms of knowledge and stats. I only wish to get better in the quickest yet safest and healthiest way possible.