PCT. Is it really needed?

[Trenbolone]

These drugs are not intended for what we are using them for anyway. I felt absolutely fine off a long cycle too, mood was excellent and sex drive was fine.

My theory is if you are predisposed to slow recovery there is nothing you can do about it, pct drugs will help you feel better while you are on them but you will still end up crashing. Pct is not some magic protocol that guarantees recovery. You body will always recover by itself if you give it time, for some it might take months and others years.

I have never done pct and have run most of the harshest stuff including superdrol, anadrol and tren. Currently been off cold turkey for 1.5 months after blasting and crusing for 7 months and I feel fine. Last time I came off I felt fine also and was off for a long time.

 

[RickRock]

These drugs are not intended for what we are using them for anyway. I felt absolutely fine off a long cycle too, mood was excellent and sex drive was fine.

My theory is if you are predisposed to slow recovery there is nothing you can do about it, pct drugs will help you feel better while you are on them but you will still end up crashing. Pct is not some magic protocol that guarantees recovery. You body will always recover by itself if you give it time, for some it might take months and others years.

I have never done pct and have run most of the harshest stuff including superdrol, anadrol and tren. Currently been off cold turkey for 1.5 months after blasting and crusing for 7 months and I feel fine. Last time I came off I felt fine also and was off for a long time.

So you are basing everything off of how you feel huh? What does your bloodwork look like pre and post cycle? That tells a whole different story. If you don't want to run pct that's on you, but don't come on here and spout off things like this saying it's unnecessary because you couldn't be farther off base. We have new members coming on here reading threads and I don't want them following this bullshit advice that's going to get them fucked up.

Everything in pct has its purpose for recovery, and it absolutely does work. Bloodwork doesn't lie.

 

[Trenbolone]

So you are basing everything off of how you feel huh? What does your bloodwork look like pre and post cycle? That tells a whole different story. If you don't want to run pct that's on you, but don't come on here and spout off things like this saying it's unnecessary because you couldn't be farther off base. We have new members coming on here reading threads and I don't want them following this bullshit advice that's going to get them fucked up.

Everything in pct has its purpose for recovery, and it absolutely does work. Bloodwork doesn't lie.

Yes I base mostly everything on how I feel and performance in the gym. I dont lose any strength or size just the pumps are not there anymore. My testosterone is low when I am off I had it tested but that doesn't mean my body isn't recovering. Clomid stimulates the body to produce testosterone so you will get a spike so at the end of your pct when you get tested you think you are in range but when you stop taking the clomid to stimulate the production your levels will go back down because you truly haven't recovered yet.

PCT drugs should be used as a bridge, but I personally dont use them at all. I am not encouraging anybody to do what I do but I am just sharing my experience, people will tell you to run a PCT or you wont recover properly when they have never ran a cycle without doing a pct, so how do they know?

 

[RickRock]

Yes I base mostly everything on how I feel and performance in the gym. I dont lose any strength or size just the pumps are not there anymore. My testosterone is low when I am off I had it tested but that doesn't mean my body isn't recovering. Clomid stimulates the body to produce testosterone so you will get a spike so at the end of your pct when you get tested you think you are in range but when you stop taking the clomid to stimulate the production your levels will go back down because you truly haven't recovered yet.

PCT drugs should be used as a bridge, but I personally dont use them at all. I am not encouraging anybody to do what I do but I am just sharing my experience, people will tell you to run a PCT or you wont recover properly when they have never ran a cycle without doing a pct, so how do they know?

I'd be willing to bet that your post cycle experience would be much better if you did run pct. you said yourself that you never have, so you are counting out something that you've never even tried yourself. Many many people have come on this board describing their issues coming off cycle without pct, and the hell they went through. Just because you felt "fine", doesn't mean somebody else will.

 

[MaxxPursuit]

Everyone is going to be different as you said yourself. Just because you "feel" fine doesn't necessarily mean its going to be that way for everyone plus I'm betting you'd feel better yourself if you ran a pct. Personal experiences are just that, personal. They don't apply to everyone and if you're one of the lucky few that bounce back, that's great. For most, a proper pct is a necessity in "feeling" better and recovering. I would bet if you take Person A and they run a cycle with no pct and then run a cycle with a pct, they would say they felt better and recovered better with the pct added on rather than the latter.

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[chelades]

Pct is not some magic protocol that guarantees recovery.

Well, that's actually right. Even then with PCT you run the risk of not being able to recover. But it sure as shit helps. Why would you not do everything you could to recover?

You body will always recover by itself if you give it time, for some it might take months and others years.

So I guess hormone replacement therapy is just a big myth then? All these people had to do was just wait, no matter how long it took, for their body to 'recover by itself'.

That is some of the dumbest garb I've ever heard. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'feel'. It is about hormonal science on an acknowledged internal level.

You could be walking around with a cancer growing inside you and 'feel' 100% fine. You know how many things can kill you instantly without any prior symptoms whatsoever?

To simply say 'you feel fine' so it must be all good is so foolish it's sad. Do you not have any respect for your body?

Science is based on theory and tested results. To state a theory that you made up, against the tested results we already have and know as fact is just ridiculous.

Tren even has the potential to permanently alter neurotransmitters in the brain, and is still on the cusp of being understood as to why.

 

[FitCre-asian]

I get the whole feeling fine and sex drive is fine etc. But you just can't argue with bloodwork. I would assume most everyone wants to be healthy and live long and well. If taking bloodwork pre post cycle ensures us we know for fact whats happening inside, why would one not go that route.

Did 1st cycle 2 months ago at 50 years of age and just snooping around my area getting "info" on the hows and whys of useage from people who have been using and "know"...not one of them ran Pct. So thats whatI thought was normal.

Until I came here and learned about Bloodwork PCT and such. its a no brainer. I can see your reasoning for NOT using PCT. just not the reasoning to NOT get bloodwork.

 

[buen]

My theory is if you are predisposed to slow recovery there is nothing you can do about it, pct drugs will help you feel better while you are on them but you will still end up crashing. You body will always recover by itself if you give it time, for some it might take months and others years.

Move this to the bro science thread....its a winner

 

[buen]

These drugs are not intended for what we are using them for anyway.

LOL

NONE of the steroids we use are intended for the purpose we use them for

 

[Montgomery]

"I didn't do PCT and all I got was this T-shirt"

 

[chelades]

"I didn't do PCT and all I got was this T-shirt"

LMFAO. Hahaha.

 

[RickRock]

Move this to the bro science thread....its a winner

I think that is probably the best place for this nonsense

 

[DylanGemelli]

Considering pct is literally the most important part of a cycle, this statement is worth about as much as a fresh piece of shit... Go on "how you feel?" Ypur going to learn the very hard ay and it will be the worst lesson you have ever learned... Give it some years down the road... How foolish can one person be?

 

[AsapSlim]

Ive never really ran a cycle and never purposely taken pro-hormones but i did try lgd 4033 in capsule form one time and it shut me the fuck down! Luckily i had pct on hand and began right away and just based on my "feelings" pre and post...Pct really dug me out of a hole!

 

[Cyclops]

if it works for you cool, but for me 4 week PCT is mandatory