Next steps after a first cycle

[JM750]

I just bought the book on ebay. Will def read it. Thanks.

Maybe SnS will read it to me at bedtime?

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: Next steps after a first cycle

Hi guys,

So I've got my first cycle and PCT all planned out and ready to start on September 1st. Thanks to everyone who has helped me plan this out in a safe and educated way.

Looking forward, I'd like to get an idea of what people typically do after their first cycle. What do you guys do in order to protect your gains? How do you eat and train? Do you use any SARMS while off cycle? And how long do you recommend waiting before doing another cycle?

So many questions! And I know much of this will depend on my goals and my body. For me the idea is to keep slowly building muscle, keep the fat % as low as I can and remain as healthy as possible. I'm 43 years old, 6'-1", currently 172 lbs @ 12% BF.

Many of you already know the cycle I'm planning to run. But for those who don't, here it is:

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 cycle assist
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day
1-12 s4 50 mg day
1-12 gw-501516 20 mg day
9-14 winstrol 50 mg day
9-14 cycle assist
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
cycle assist
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

I always train the same on cycle or off. That never changes. As for diet, you just want to make sure you don't cut in PCT and stay at or above maintenance. I would venture to say you should even do that a few,weeks past PCT before even beginning to cut.

Time off before starting another cycle should always be time on plus PCT equals amount of time off. Going by bloodwork is also recommended. During this time I like to throw in some sarms to help make more gains and lose some bodyfat.

The main priority between cycles however should always be to maintain and keep what gains youve made first and foremost. Always keep the diet up and train hard

 

[cbbram00]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

Maybe SnS will read it to me at bedtime?

LOL!!!!

 

[MrChristian]

You seem like a guy who really wants to learn. I would urge you to lay off of the net as being gospel. Start by buying a book called "Built to Survive", and see what leading thinkers and leading endocrinologists and leading M.D.'s are saying. There are tons nof research papers quoted in this book, and it is written by the legendary aas guru Michael Mooney. There will be stuff there that may directly contradict what you might be reading online. There will be cycles that are poo pooed. Ramp up, ramp down cycles, 12 week power cycles etc. What about pct? Clomid was for women when it came out and it was a very long time before it was used as pct. So what did the bodybuilders of the 60-70's use for pct? How many from those times never heard the term pct. There are books..yes books that are written by today's leading researchers, that may shed a whole new light on the way you use and view aas. Good luck!

This is awesome DrB. I will definitely get the book. I want to learn as much as possible and be as safe as possible. I value your opinion and experience a great deal.

 

[MrChristian]

Re: RE: Next steps after a first cycle

Hi guys,

So I've got my first cycle and PCT all planned out and ready to start on September 1st. Thanks to everyone who has helped me plan this out in a safe and educated way.

Looking forward, I'd like to get an idea of what people typically do after their first cycle. What do you guys do in order to protect your gains? How do you eat and train? Do you use any SARMS while off cycle? And how long do you recommend waiting before doing another cycle?

So many questions! And I know much of this will depend on my goals and my body. For me the idea is to keep slowly building muscle, keep the fat % as low as I can and remain as healthy as possible. I'm 43 years old, 6'-1", currently 172 lbs @ 12% BF.

Many of you already know the cycle I'm planning to run. But for those who don't, here it is:

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 cycle assist
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day
1-12 s4 50 mg day
1-12 gw-501516 20 mg day
9-14 winstrol 50 mg day
9-14 cycle assist
11-14 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 15-18
clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
cycle assist
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

I always train the same on cycle or off. That never changes. As for diet, you just want to make sure you don't cut in PCT and stay at or above maintenance. I would venture to say you should even do that a few,weeks past PCT before even beginning to cut.

Time off before starting another cycle should always be time on plus PCT equals amount of time off. Going by bloodwork is also recommended. During this time I like to throw in some sarms to help make more gains and lose some bodyfat.

The main priority between cycles however should always be to maintain and keep what gains youve made first and foremost. Always keep the diet up and train hard

Awesome advice! Okay, that makes good sense.

Rick, I was considering doing some cutting during the month leading up to PCT. Maybe a 400 calorie deficit during that time. But then upping calories back to maintenance level during and after PCT. So the basic idea I have in my head would be to focus on bulking during weeks 1-10, do cutting from 11-14 and then maintenance & PCT from 15-18. Do you believe this would be counterproductive for making/keeping gains while on cycle? Is it a better idea to stay at a surplus and just bulk like crazy for then entire 14 weeks? I just have this fear of putting on too much fat again. LOL I appreciate your advice man.

 

[MrChristian]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

Maybe SnS will read it to me at bedtime?

LOL!!!!

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

 

[sweetnspicy]

I just bought the book on ebay. Will def read it. Thanks.

Maybe SnS will read it to me at bedtime?

It's natural to want me to read to you, but I prefer 50 Shades. Sorry. Lol

 

[JM750]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

haha, you are a lil late to the party. :lol:

 

[MrChristian]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

haha, you are a lil late to the party. :lol:

Yes, apparently there's a thread somewhere I need to read. LOL

 

[sweetnspicy]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

haha, you are a lil late to the party. :lol:

Yes, apparently there's a thread somewhere I need to read. LOL

What thread? Where?

 

[JM750]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

haha, you are a lil late to the party. :lol:

Yes, apparently there's a thread somewhere I need to read. LOL

you will hav to dig really deep.
She is a sweetheart of a girl.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

[quote="drb_iac":2275dmma]

[quote="drb_iac":2275dmma]

[quote="drb_iac":2275dmma]500mg on the the test. Next cycle in 3 months if you are in a hurry.Off cycle I like to then re-start creatine but that is not popular..only for me. Never had sarms but today I would use them. S4 twice per day, and gw twice. You still go to the gym and lift using the same weight if you can. Over time I have found that you cannot maintain those heavier weights,but that is ok because the weights are still heavy for you. Diet at maintainence.Next cycle same as the first and add some deca..200mg is a good start.Carefull ,cautious, and methodical.

To be honest, Dylan's video about Deca scared me a bit. The water retention aspect is specifically what I was hoping to avoid. That's the reason I went with tbol instead of dbol this time. But maybe I misunderstood or I'm overreacting. I'm certainly willing to consider it if there's a way to do it without the water retention.

I have done deca in every cycle I have ever done. Deca is the all time, all american favorite combined with test. This simple stack has been used since 1962. The most used stack ever. I do not understand the problem with deca. When Michael Mooney first started consulting with AIDS patients who were wasting away the very first thing that the doctors tried? 200/200 deca/ cyp. The all time favorite arnold stack? deca/cyp/dbol..finish off with primo. So I have only used deca in 50 cycles, so maybe I am wrong. But for me...it will always be in every stack. Now if you get to 600mg deca then it is time to back off. Starting out with 200 and working your way to 600 takes quite a few years. I did 1000mg for the first time this year. I only did it once and got deca dick. There is my and only side effect ever from deca.

1000 mg? piece of garbage that's alot..but dude did Arnold use Test Cyp? I didn't think they had Test back then..

re-reading what I wrote I did say arnold used deca/cyp.And I did say michael mooney used deca/ cyp on aids patients. I did not write test. But I do always mean test to be cyp/sus/enan[/quote:2275dmma]

yeah you didnt write Test but you wrote Cyp so i assumed you meant Test Cypionate, but I am still unsure because I did not think that they used Testosterone injections back in the day?? When did Test really start becoming a big thing?[/quote:2275dmma]

OMG-Organon had cyp developed in 1930! To be clear...testosterone cypionate was put together in 1930 by a company called Organon. Of course they used Testosterone cypionate in the 60's. Wait wait...I USED TESTOSTERONE IN THE 60'S![/quote:2275dmma]

ok sweet. i didnt know that, thanks

 

[drb_iac]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

Maybe SnS will read it to me at bedtime?

LOL!!!!

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

I would advise that you do let s&s read the book to you. It contains graphic terms like twisted testicles, and leydig cells waiting to attack an ovum. Carefull when you get to the part about rectal collapse.

 

[MrChristian]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

Maybe SnS will read it to me at bedtime?

LOL!!!!

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

I would advise that you do let s&s read the book to you. It contains graphic terms like twisted testicles, and leydig cells waiting to attack an ovum. Carefull when you get to the part about rectal collapse.

Stop it DrB. You're getting me all hot and bothered.

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

Maybe SnS will read it to me at bedtime?

LOL!!!!

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

I would advise that you do let s&s read the book to you. It contains graphic terms like twisted testicles, and leydig cells waiting to attack an ovum. Carefull when you get to the part about rectal collapse.

Stop it DrB. You're getting me all hot and bothered.

Wow, I didn't have you pegged for a twisted testicle kind of guy, but whatever floats your boat brother!! :lol:

 

[MrChristian]

Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

[quote="JM750":8a3rkik0]

Maybe SnS will read it to me at bedtime?

LOL!!!!

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

I would advise that you do let s&s read the book to you. It contains graphic terms like twisted testicles, and leydig cells waiting to attack an ovum. Carefull when you get to the part about rectal collapse.

Stop it DrB. You're getting me all hot and bothered.

Wow, I didn't have you pegged for a twisted testicle kind of guy, but whatever floats your boat brother!! :lol:[/quote:8a3rkik0]

He had me at 'rectal collapse'.

Okay, another perfectly good thread derailed badly. LOL

 

[cbbram00]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Next steps after a first cycle

Maybe SnS will read it to me at bedtime?

LOL!!!!

JM and his SnS crush. LOL

I would advise that you do let s&s read the book to you. It contains graphic terms like twisted testicles, and leydig cells waiting to attack an ovum. Carefull when you get to the part about rectal collapse.

Stop it DrB. You're getting me all hot and bothered.

Wow, I didn't have you pegged for a twisted testicle kind of guy, but whatever floats your boat brother!! :lol:

He had me at 'rectal collapse'.

Okay, another perfectly good thread derailed badly. LOL

Tru... But having fun is better than fighting

 

[drb_iac]

I have to apologize to s&s. That was taken from one of my med school books..not from Built to Survive. Ohh my bad.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hey brother, somehow i missed this thread but wanted to shed some light for you...

as you know, nothing is more important to a cycle than pct... you have that addressed and im sure you are going to follow the guidance and run it as it should be... an extensive pct should always be the main priority because without the proper recovery, you have nothing... since that is addressed, the next thing is a proper bridge... as wonderful as sarms are on cycle, they shine even more as a bridge... a proper bridge in between cycles not only helps to maintain gains but clean them up and add to them as well... not to mention it will lead you into your next cycle in the best condition possible... there will be new sarms released as well by the time your bridge starts so you will have even more options... you can run a super stack as a bridge right after your pct ends... you can add some other fat burners in there as well or any other products you want depending on your goals... you can run it just like this


1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
5-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

9-12 daa

Mini pct 13-16


clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[MrChristian]

Hey brother, somehow i missed this thread but wanted to shed some light for you...

as you know, nothing is more important to a cycle than pct... you have that addressed and im sure you are going to follow the guidance and run it as it should be... an extensive pct should always be the main priority because without the proper recovery, you have nothing... since that is addressed, the next thing is a proper bridge... as wonderful as sarms are on cycle, they shine even more as a bridge... a proper bridge in between cycles not only helps to maintain gains but clean them up and add to them as well... not to mention it will lead you into your next cycle in the best condition possible... there will be new sarms released as well by the time your bridge starts so you will have even more options... you can run a super stack as a bridge right after your pct ends... you can add some other fat burners in there as well or any other products you want depending on your goals... you can run it just like this


1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
5-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

9-12 daa

Mini pct 13-16


clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

Thanks for this Dylan. I didn't read your reply to this thread until just now. I think this sounds like a great plan!