Newbie -- first course questions... am I headed in the correct direction.

[DylanGemelli]

I definetly didnt go that far i just saw what he was wanting to run on his "original plan" and I thought i should say something. But you know like errything in life this is a good opportunity for me i feel to really stop and absorb all the information before sayimg amything beacuase this forum is predicated on being knowledgeable as well as a place that people are only giving good advice.

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no, you are fine bro, you just have to read it closer... you were only trying to help... im just making sure the wrong message is not conveyed because it could be hurtful to others reading... you did not do it on purpose but i have to correct it or im not doing what im here for bro

 

[rayrich1129]

no, you are fine bro, you just have to read it closer... you were only trying to help... im just making sure the wrong message is not conveyed because it could be hurtful to others reading... you did not do it on purpose but i have to correct it or im not doing what im here for bro

I know brother and thats why i really respect you and the way this place is ran beacuse of that right there . You have built a reputation and you are constantly working on having this forum be tip top and like i said i learned and i will be more careful for sure brother

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[DylanGemelli]

I know brother and thats why i really respect you and the way this place is ran beacuse of that right there . You have built a reputation and you are constantly working on having this forum be tip top and like i said i learned and i will be more careful for sure brother

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its all good brother... your heart is always in the right place and thats whats most important...

 

[Dangans]

offering source help is encouraging him to use when that's setting him up to hurt himself is the point...

Gotcha my bad

 

[DylanGemelli]

Gotcha my bad

All good man it wasnt intentional

 

[Dangans]

All good man it wasnt intentional

for sure it was not thx DG

 

[DylanGemelli]

for sure it was not thx DG

No problem

 

[warhammer]

Epic feed back

Your friend is making shit up. He doesn't know what he's talking about lol that makes no sense at all. Do not do dbol for 10 weeks that's ridiculous. Don't do it at all for a first cycle. Your pct is weak too. Clen is catabolic even though it will add strength it's still not a good thing for pct. btw 10mg once a day isn't going to do shit. Dbol has about a 4-6 hour half life so it would only be in your system that long and at a weak dose at that.


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Thanks for the feed back much appreciated.... I'm getting my body fat re tested Saturday as its been a year so I'll see where I'm at.

 

[warhammer]

wow, this is such a disaster... you have 24% body fat... you need to be in the 12-13% range to even consider a cycle... then you want to not only run dbol, which is the COMPLETE opposite of what you want, and to make it worse, 10 weeks? 10 weeks???? bro, 4 weeks of dbol is PLENTY... NO ORAL should exceed 6 weeks unless its proviron and you want to run the steroid that converts to estrogen at the highest rate 10 weeks, with a body fat that will ENHANCE estrogen conversion... NOT TO MENTION you are trying to use steroids as fat burners, which THEY ARE NOT... THEN you want to run clen... fuck me... so you want to basically ruin yourself here... top to bottom... EVERYTHING about this is wrong... you even want to pin a steroid that is nearly HALF short esters, once a week.. brother, seriously, just stop now, PLEASE... you have no clue what you are going to do to yourself and your "friend" is going to, excuse me but, fuck you up in a major way...

you need to focus on the issues that are apparent with your diet and training... 24% indicates you do not train nor eat properly whatsoever... can you fix it? OF COURSE you can but you are doing this all wrong and you will learn a very very hard lesson on this path... i can help you to get your body fat down but there's no way on the planet earth anyone could recommend you to run any sort of steroid at that body fat bro... im sorry its not what you want to hear but its what you need to hear..

No don't be sorry it's totally what I Want to hear! I am totally open to your advice and opinion and why came to this place; To get good, safe and above all honest advice, as I clearly have no Idea. I don't want to just go crazy, even know I was so close to doing so. Thanks for pulling me up.

( So I'm horrible at research and absorbing written information .... clearly, not that I don't try; At least when some one can help get my head around a topic I start to get it, but usually need that explanation and guidance and a bit of time, if that makes sense: Ive always been better at learning hands on and from others.)

I get another VLA body fat test on Saturday, so I'll have a more accurate idea as to where I am now, My last one was year ago so I'm just going off the information on that and assuming Id probably be worse, due to a disk out in my lower back I havent really trained anywhere near like a used to, my diet's been only okay, I am just assuming it would be 24 % at this point It could be better or worse Side note: I still focus on back rehab exercises, however my back is at a place where in I can train again at this point. When I was properly training I was at a 12% body fat and stayed around that I never really could get it any lower.


Okay, so to get a better idea // and take my first setp.

Get body fat to 12 % before even considering anything. ( I very much would like help with this. )


___________ Planning cycle number 1 & just so I know___________

- Clen & SUSTANON are craziness, especially for a first time, would Test Enanthate be a good beginning choice ?

- I noticed some one mentioned 0.25mg Arimidex EOD would be bad and 12.5 Aromasin eod would be better any extra info on this?

- Dbol you mentioned DBOL for 4 weeks at most ( obviously in a senario where Im at 12% body fat and ready to start ) Now would my friend be correct in saying not to just stop the dbol but also slightly up the dosage of injectable so I dont have a drop in test when I stop the dobl, or does that even make sense ? I have no Idea.


For a first cycle www.buy-steroids.com.au recommends this ( http://buy-steroids.com.au/first-cycle-beginners/ ) it this good advice? I based some of my logic off, Sustanon was my idea as I had easy access to it. As well as Dbol etc

Weeks 1-10 – 500mg/week Test Enanthate ( I noted rayrich1129 said no to this maybe 350mg, obvioulsy when Im ready for the course )
Weeks 1-12 – 0.25mg Arimidex EOD
Weeks 13-14 – Nolva 20mg/twice daily
Weeks 15-16 – Nolva 20mg/day



Also What about Nutrobal (Mk-677)? still a crazy idea at this point I am assuming, but thought I'd ask.

Thanks a bunch so far guys @ray all advice is much appreaciated.

 

[warhammer]

The reason you want to run test by itself your first time is you want to get acclimated with how your body is going to react with just testosterone so you can figure out how to run your ancillaries in accordance witj your body. Also the reason that you only should run test for yoyr first cycle is you dont need to run a bunch of compounds your first time to see serious results . Its like why throw gas on a perfecrt fire.

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okay thanks a bunch man.

So at this point I have to get to 12% body fat before any thing.... lol I just woke up and reading all this advice, I was way of track.... all good thou as I havent bought too much yet.

Ill look into 12.5 Aromasin stuff hopefully have access to this.

 

[warhammer]

thanks a bunch for the feed back I have just woken up and taking all the advice on board.
ill definalty wait for 12% body fat and cut out the idea of Sustanone and clem etc

 

[warhammer]

wow, this is such a disaster... you have 24% body fat... you need to be in the 12-13% range to even consider a cycle... then you want to not only run dbol, which is the COMPLETE opposite of what you want, and to make it worse, 10 weeks? 10 weeks???? bro, 4 weeks of dbol is PLENTY... NO ORAL should exceed 6 weeks unless its proviron and you want to run the steroid that converts to estrogen at the highest rate 10 weeks, with a body fat that will ENHANCE estrogen conversion... NOT TO MENTION you are trying to use steroids as fat burners, which THEY ARE NOT... THEN you want to run clen... fuck me... so you want to basically ruin yourself here... top to bottom... EVERYTHING about this is wrong... you even want to pin a steroid that is nearly HALF short esters, once a week.. brother, seriously, just stop now, PLEASE... you have no clue what you are going to do to yourself and your "friend" is going to, excuse me but, fuck you up in a major way...

you need to focus on the issues that are apparent with your diet and training... 24% indicates you do not train nor eat properly whatsoever... can you fix it? OF COURSE you can but you are doing this all wrong and you will learn a very very hard lesson on this path... i can help you to get your body fat down but there's no way on the planet earth anyone could recommend you to run any sort of steroid at that body fat bro... im sorry its not what you want to hear but its what you need to hear..

** I did a big reply to this post, but I don't think it worked ** here I go again ..... I'll try remember every thing, if it did work just ignore this, it will basically be the same

I just woke up, I am definatly taking all this advice on board. Bare with me as I am clearly horrible at research and absorbing written information. I always have been. Once someone explains it to me and gets my head around a topic, I am usually good..... But it always takes time unfortunalty.... I will probably have a bunch of stupid questions. lol. I'll get there in the end thou, I'm definitely more of a hands-on learner.


Thanks a bunch for pointing me in the right direction and saving me from a crazy mistake, it is totally why I came here,... for good honest advice;



So to begin with lets get myself to 12% body fat. Any help with this would be much appreciated.

I get my VLA test done on Saturday, So I will have an updated version of my most recent body fat percentage. When I was training properly I used to hold around 12%, but haven't really tracked my body fat % to much in awhile.... I'm probably 24% at this point, maybe a little bit better or a little bit worse. Due to a bulging disc I've not been training 100% for some time. The last three months I've started to get back into training properly as Im at a point where I can train again.... Diet has obviously been off.


Planning the first cycle / trying to get my head around it,

Obviously this is once I am at 12% body fat.

Notes: Avoid clenbuterol in general, Sustanon for a first cycle is bad. and by the sounds of it Dbol would be best avoided.

If I do take DBOL for the first 4 weeks of the course , with lets say Test Enanthate when I stop at the 4 week point, do I need to up the injectable a little to compensate or was that just crazy talk?

Would this ( http://buy-steroids.com.au/first-cycle-beginners/ ) be a good first cycle, its an AU site so I assume I can get that stuff here.


***Weeks 1-10 – 500mg/week Test Enanthate ( maybe a lower dose? suggested by rayrich1129 )
Weeks 1-12 – 0.25mg Arimidex EOD
Weeks 13-14 – Nolva 20mg/twice daily
Weeks 15-16 – Nolva 20mg/day*****


I'll look at sourcing Aromasin eod instead of arimidex as suggested by rayrich1129. Sourcing any of this stuff here will take a bunch of time anyways. So getting to 12% will give me something to do.


Nutrobal (Mk-677) is this still crazy to do at the moment? I assume it is until I get to 12% but I thought I would ask.
or any peptides that would aid in my mission to 12% body fat.

 

[rayrich1129]

okay thanks a bunch man.

So at this point I have to get to 12% body fat before any thing.... lol I just woke up and reading all this advice, I was way of track.... all good thou as I havent bought too much yet.

Ill look into 12.5 Aromasin stuff hopefully have access to this.

Hey by the way welcome man and I just want to say your attitude and how receptive you are to erryone telling you things you definetly have the right outlook trust me erryone on here is giving you good advice beacuse if someone wasnt they wouldnt be giving advice on here for long at all. I know at first it can seem a little overwhelming with everyone telling you a million things. If this is something you are wanting to do this is the place to learn. It is perfect well you are getting your BF down to 14% at the most you can spend time on here learning everything you need to know. Then when your mind and body is prepared you can make an educated descision about this. We all care and want to see people do things safe. So I look forward to seeing you around the community and once again your response shows me you have the right frame of mind.

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[DylanGemelli]

** I did a big reply to this post, but I don't think it worked ** here I go again ..... I'll try remember every thing, if it did work just ignore this, it will basically be the same

I just woke up, I am definatly taking all this advice on board. Bare with me as I am clearly horrible at research and absorbing written information. I always have been. Once someone explains it to me and gets my head around a topic, I am usually good..... But it always takes time unfortunalty.... I will probably have a bunch of stupid questions. lol. I'll get there in the end thou, I'm definitely more of a hands-on learner.


Thanks a bunch for pointing me in the right direction and saving me from a crazy mistake, it is totally why I came here,... for good honest advice;



So to begin with lets get myself to 12% body fat. Any help with this would be much appreciated.

I get my VLA test done on Saturday, So I will have an updated version of my most recent body fat percentage. When I was training properly I used to hold around 12%, but haven't really tracked my body fat % to much in awhile.... I'm probably 24% at this point, maybe a little bit better or a little bit worse. Due to a bulging disc I've not been training 100% for some time. The last three months I've started to get back into training properly as Im at a point where I can train again.... Diet has obviously been off.


Planning the first cycle / trying to get my head around it,

Obviously this is once I am at 12% body fat.

Notes: Avoid clenbuterol in general, Sustanon for a first cycle is bad. and by the sounds of it Dbol would be best avoided.

If I do take DBOL for the first 4 weeks of the course , with lets say Test Enanthate when I stop at the 4 week point, do I need to up the injectable a little to compensate or was that just crazy talk?

Would this ( http://buy-steroids.com.au/first-cycle-beginners/ ) be a good first cycle, its an AU site so I assume I can get that stuff here.


***Weeks 1-10 – 500mg/week Test Enanthate ( maybe a lower dose? suggested by rayrich1129 )
Weeks 1-12 – 0.25mg Arimidex EOD
Weeks 13-14 – Nolva 20mg/twice daily
Weeks 15-16 – Nolva 20mg/day*****


I'll look at sourcing Aromasin eod instead of arimidex as suggested by rayrich1129. Sourcing any of this stuff here will take a bunch of time anyways. So getting to 12% will give me something to do.


Nutrobal (Mk-677) is this still crazy to do at the moment? I assume it is until I get to 12% but I thought I would ask.
or any peptides that would aid in my mission to 12% body fat.

okay bro... first, i love your attitude... this is how its supposed to be and THIS is how you make progress, by understanding everything and having a great attitude....

now, there is literally no point in even discussing and planning a cycle until you are closer to being ready... you need to keep your focus on the NOW, not then... that literally does you no good but it does take away from what you are aiming for now.. i honestly despise that when people try to do that because it takes so much away from what they are currently doing and then they are set back already.. i want to teach you how to focus on NOW... you are a long way from any sort of steroid cycle bro... you need to drop roughly 10-12 % body fat... that takes time especially when you are trying to do it safe... if you can really dial in and get your diet and training down it should take no more than 2 sarms stacks to get you there... i have full confidence that would be the most it would take but thats up to you on how serious you take things... i would just get right after and start with the enhanced super stack.... here are the links for everything you need followed by the layout..

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=124&search=enhanced

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=138&search=mini

1-12 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours apart
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[RickRock]

For that goal to get you into shape and help,cut up, the enhance super stack is exactly what you want bro. It's perfect for you.

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/enhanced-super-stack-12-weeks

1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 RAD-140 20mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)

PCT

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/sarms-mini-pct-stack-1

Clomid 50/25/25/25
GW 20mg per day



(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[SpikedEggnog]

i agree with dylan that you shouldnt even worry about any future cycles right now unless you were close to the bodyfat level. you are nowhere near ready so focus on your diet and training and getting your bodyfat in proper condition

 

[warhammer]

okay bro... first, i love your attitude... this is how its supposed to be and THIS is how you make progress, by understanding everything and having a great attitude....

now, there is literally no point in even discussing and planning a cycle until you are closer to being ready... you need to keep your focus on the NOW, not then... that literally does you no good but it does take away from what you are aiming for now.. i honestly despise that when people try to do that because it takes so much away from what they are currently doing and then they are set back already.. i want to teach you how to focus on NOW... you are a long way from any sort of steroid cycle bro... you need to drop roughly 10-12 % body fat... that takes time especially when you are trying to do it safe... if you can really dial in and get your diet and training down it should take no more than 2 sarms stacks to get you there... i have full confidence that would be the most it would take but thats up to you on how serious you take things... i would just get right after and start with the enhanced super stack.... here are the links for everything you need followed by the layout..

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=124&search=enhanced

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=138&search=mini

1-12 rad140 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 sr9009 30 mg day... 5 mg split doses 2-3 hours apart
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout and non workout days, all at once in the a.m.
9-12 d aspartic acid


Mini pct 13-16




clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

Awesome .... Thanks a bunch. Very much appreciated! I am certainly open to listening & learning as I have no Idea.

I'll look into getting the stack from here in Australia. If I can't, do you know of anyone in Australia getting that stack or similar products from sarmsx.com through customs? if so I might just try it from those links. ( just a bit dear if customs gets it is all, so I thought I might ask to see if people had gotten it through)

I have already started my good old fitness diet and ordered a bunch of supplements that will arrive Monday so i can be in full swing a.s.a.p

 

[warhammer]

i agree with dylan that you shouldnt even worry about any future cycles right now unless you were close to the bodyfat level. you are nowhere near ready so focus on your diet and training and getting your bodyfat in proper condition

Yes. for sure... plus just focusing on diet and every thing is complicated enough for me, lol.... just starting to get into all of it now. So Its definalty best I don't confuse my self or lose my immediate focus.
thanks for the feed back.

 

[buen]

seriously bro? he's 24%... not one that should be recommended to use steroids... period

Why is it so hard for people to understand the proper use of steroids?
They aren't used or are useful for "getting in shape"
The proper use of steroids is for people that already are in great shape
Using steroids at 24% ....Is like a stone carver using a dental pick to begin work
on a raw block of stone
You need a hammer and chisel .... ie...disciplined diet and training

 

[DylanGemelli]

Awesome .... Thanks a bunch. Very much appreciated! I am certainly open to listening & learning as I have no Idea.

I'll look into getting the stack from here in Australia. If I can't, do you know of anyone in Australia getting that stack or similar products from sarmsx.com through customs? if so I might just try it from those links. ( just a bit dear if customs gets it is all, so I thought I might ask to see if people had gotten it through)

I have already started my good old fitness diet and ordered a bunch of supplements that will arrive Monday so i can be in full swing a.s.a.p

you need to be VERY careful ordering in australia man... they have a lot or problems with poor sarms products... sarmsx ships to australia on a daily basis with no problems... they are the best you can find and i stand by that a million percent...