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How long until you can cut after AAS or Sarms

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playtowin123

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Hi all.

Loving the forums and going through everything to learn more. Just a question regarding macros after cycle is over.

I have read that you absolutely shouldn't get into a calorie deficit after your cycle ends and before PCT starts.


I plan on doing 6 weeks PCT to ensure I get a better chance of keeping my gains and my plan is below.

- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
- Week 2 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until post cycle therapy (pct) starts)::
- Week 9 - 14: Anavar 70mg Daily
- Week 14 - 20: PCT

600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily.


I know time on is time off before I can cycle again, but how long do I have to wait before I can cut down naturally and get the most out of my bulk? I am assuming I will be ok to do this at week 23?


Can I go right into an S4 and GW Sarms cutting stack for 12 weeks, then do mini PCT and my second cycle ?


Just getting all my planning done :)
 
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you never want to cut DURING pct but you can start your sarms cutting stack immediately upon completion of your pct... why on earth are you running hcg that long though? thats ridiculous man... thats way too long to be using it...
 
oh DO NOT use hcg like that at all brother... not at all.. i hate hcg period and i have a new product that completely takes its place... but if you do use it, you only use it the last four weeks up until pct.. .here is a link to my new POST CT product which will complete negate the need for hcg use... https://www.dganutrition.com/post-ct
 
Stay at least at maintenance through PCT. Afyer that you can cut with a sarms stack.

Also make sure you have a sufficient enough pct planned

Clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Mk2866 25mg per day
GW 20mg per day
 
RickRock said:
Stay at least at maintenance through PCT. Afyer that you can cut with a sarms stack.

Also make sure you have a sufficient enough pct planned

Clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
Nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Mk2866 25mg per day
GW 20mg per day
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Can you tell me what GW and MK will add to this mate! What benefits will I get? I was going to save my pricy GW for my Bridge!

Also, I am using Armidex. Do I really need it throughout PCT? What reason is there for this? (just asking as the protocol I have stops it before PCT)
 
Both mk2866 and gw are there to help you keep your gains from the cycle and to lower cortisol which kills gains

Aromasin is in pct to prevent estrogen rebound, and help recovery by increasing free test
 
when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.



clomid 50/50/50/25//25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day
 
playtowin123 said:
Hi all.

Loving the forums and going through everything to learn more. Just a question regarding macros after cycle is over.

I have read that you absolutely shouldn't get into a calorie deficit after your cycle ends and before PCT starts.


I plan on doing 6 weeks PCT to ensure I get a better chance of keeping my gains and my plan is below.

- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
- Week 2 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until post cycle therapy (pct) starts)::
- Week 9 - 14: Anavar 70mg Daily
- Week 14 - 20: PCT

600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily.


I know time on is time off before I can cycle again, but how long do I have to wait before I can cut down naturally and get the most out of my bulk? I am assuming I will be ok to do this at week 23?


Can I go right into an S4 and GW Sarms cutting stack for 12 weeks, then do mini PCT and my second cycle ?


Just getting all my planning done :)
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If your going to spend the money on Var, I would atleast run it for 6 weeks min.
 
RickRock said:
Good deal bro. Let me know if you have any other questions
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Legend!


How about this......


- When you go on a bridge, can you slowly cut so you're ready for another, more advanced clean bulk? Maybe Test, Tbol and Anavar. Something mild for a second bulk.

OR


- I guess you could also keep bulking and then run a basic AAS cutting cycle.. Maybe Test, EQ and Anavar kick started by Tbol. I would suggest Winny, but it seems more toxic and bad for your hair... I am 30 and have a mild receding hairline.. Def don't want to make that faster haha. Such a shame as Dylan raves about it compared to Anvar. And I know you're not a fan.

I dont fancy trying Anadrol or Tren ever tbh. Decca maybe.... Dylan says wait till your third for that though.



Maybe its goals dependant and depends how much fat you put on in your 20 week cycle and PCT!


I may have answered my own question, but I'm just trying to gauge what you can and can't do in my active mind haha.
 
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playtowin123 said:
Legend!


How about this......


- When you go on a bridge, can you slowly cut so you're ready for another, more advanced clean bulk? Maybe Test, Tbol and Anavar. Something mild for a second bulk.

OR


- I guess you could also keep bulking and then run a basic AAS cutting cycle.. Maybe Test, EQ and Anavar kick started by Tbol. I would suggest Winny, but it seems more toxic and bad for your hair... I am 30 and have a mild receding hairline.. Def don't want to make that faster haha. Such a shame as Dylan raves about it compared to Anvar. And I know you're not a fan.

I dont fancy trying Anadrol or Tren ever tbh. Decca maybe.... Dylan says wait till your third for that though.



Maybe its goals dependant and depends how much fat you put on in your 20 week cycle and PCT!


I may have answered my own question, but I'm just trying to gauge what you can and can't do in my active mind haha.
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keep in mind that BOTH winstrol and anavar are dht steroids which means if you are prone to mpb, they will likely effect your hair
 
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