Advice on my First Cycle (Biphasic with Anabolics)

[scottishdoc]

Some History
So I am new to the world of anabolics, but not to lifting. I was really into training during my first two years of college (about 5 1/2 years ago), but once school started getting more difficult my gym routine went by the wayside. At my peak I was 16% bodyfat and 219lbs at 6' (21 years old). Fast forward a few years and I had shrunk down to 188lbs with 21% bodyfat (stress from medical school really did a number on me).

Present
Around September of last year I decided to make a change and start pursuing a healthy lifestyle and aesthetic physique again. Through diet and training I was able to get my bodyfat down to 15% while bringing my weight up to 198lbs. My wife had to travel overseas (to Germany) for work towards the end of February for 10 weeks. I'm stoked to surprise her with an improved physique. I started my cycle 2 weeks after she left.

The Cycle
I was able to get my hands on some authentic Bayer Schering Testoviron (Testosterone Enanthate) and am testing the waters with 400mg/week (first week front loaded at 600mg). As of tonight I have been "on" for 29 days and am starting to see/feel a difference. I haven't had any issues with estrogen yet and have been taking 12.5mg of Exemestane every other day. My first round of blood test results should come in tomorrow. As for my stats so far I now weigh 211lbs with 15% bodyfat. Thus far I have been in a bulking phase and will soon be moving into a cutting phase (hence the biphasic in the title, I want to do a short bulk with a longer cut in one 16-week cycle). I plan to move into the cutting phase in the next 2 weeks and intend to start on 200mg of Bayer Rimobolan (Primobolan, I know this is one of Dylan's favorites!) per week for the remainder of my cycle.

The Diet
For bulking I have been doing my best to follow the diet outlined in The Anabolic Solution for Bodybuilders by Pasquale. In a nutshell I try to eat 1-2lbs of lean meat per day as well as a dozen eggs and one animal-derived protein shake in the morning. I also get between 5 and 10 servings of non-starch vegetables per day. The most difficult part is regulating my carb intake, but I'm managing. What I would really like some advice from you guys on is my cutting phase.

Questions
I'm not much of a calorie counter, although I have a decent amount of experience bulking up. I can gain weight pretty well if I have a clean diet and push myself to eat more meat/eggs/cheese than would normally satisfy my appetite. So if I would normally want 3 chicken breasts I will stuff down 4 or 5. If I would normally want 4 eggs then I will stuff down 6 or more and maintain my regular vegetable intake. I can read pretty well what it takes for my body to get bigger.
Here's the rub though - I have never gone all in with a cut - at least not one where I am being mindful of my gym habits, diet, and supplements. Whenever I've lost weight it has been due to extenuating circumstances and I've wound up losing muscle mass as fast as I shed fat (if not faster).What kind of signals do you get from your body when you are in the perfect cutting groove? I'm guessing that you need to feel hungry often? Maybe some fatigue as you burn through glycogen stores? I'd be really interested to hear how you guys can tell you are in the cutting zone. Also, I'd love some input from Dylan on the issue!

P.S.
I have access to just about any compound I need. I've got a supply of Clenbuterol, Tadalafil, HCG, Tamoxifen, Clomiphene, Exemestane, and Anastrozole. As far as getting new compounds, I am open minded within reason (I'm NOT trying Trenbolone, Dianabol, Halotestin, Deca etc...). I would really prefer to only use compounds that are currently manufactured by approved pharmaceutical companies.

Thanks Everyone!
Scottishdoc

 

[Dr.JJ]

Some History
So I am new to the world of anabolics, but not to lifting. I was really into training during my first two years of college (about 5 1/2 years ago), but once school started getting more difficult my gym routine went by the wayside. At my peak I was 16% bodyfat and 219lbs at 6' (21 years old). Fast forward a few years and I had shrunk down to 188lbs with 21% bodyfat (stress from medical school really did a number on me).

Present
Around September of last year I decided to make a change and start pursuing a healthy lifestyle and aesthetic physique again. Through diet and training I was able to get my bodyfat down to 15% while bringing my weight up to 198lbs. My wife had to travel overseas (to Germany) for work towards the end of February for 10 weeks. I'm stoked to surprise her with an improved physique. I started my cycle 2 weeks after she left.

The Cycle
I was able to get my hands on some authentic Bayer Schering Testoviron (Testosterone Enanthate) and am testing the waters with 400mg/week (first week front loaded at 600mg). As of tonight I have been "on" for 29 days and am starting to see/feel a difference. I haven't had any issues with estrogen yet and have been taking 12.5mg of Exemestane every other day. My first round of blood test results should come in tomorrow. As for my stats so far I now weigh 211lbs with 15% bodyfat. Thus far I have been in a bulking phase and will soon be moving into a cutting phase (hence the biphasic in the title, I want to do a short bulk with a longer cut in one 16-week cycle). I plan to move into the cutting phase in the next 2 weeks and intend to start on 200mg of Bayer Rimobolan (Primobolan, I know this is one of Dylan's favorites!) per week for the remainder of my cycle.

The Diet
For bulking I have been doing my best to follow the diet outlined in The Anabolic Solution for Bodybuilders by Pasquale. In a nutshell I try to eat 1-2lbs of lean meat per day as well as a dozen eggs and one animal-derived protein shake in the morning. I also get between 5 and 10 servings of non-starch vegetables per day. The most difficult part is regulating my carb intake, but I'm managing. What I would really like some advice from you guys on is my cutting phase.

Questions
I'm not much of a calorie counter, although I have a decent amount of experience bulking up. I can gain weight pretty well if I have a clean diet and push myself to eat more meat/eggs/cheese than would normally satisfy my appetite. So if I would normally want 3 chicken breasts I will stuff down 4 or 5. If I would normally want 4 eggs then I will stuff down 6 or more and maintain my regular vegetable intake. I can read pretty well what it takes for my body to get bigger.
Here's the rub though - I have never gone all in with a cut - at least not one where I am being mindful of my gym habits, diet, and supplements. Whenever I've lost weight it has been due to extenuating circumstances and I've wound up losing muscle mass as fast as I shed fat (if not faster).What kind of signals do you get from your body when you are in the perfect cutting groove? I'm guessing that you need to feel hungry often? Maybe some fatigue as you burn through glycogen stores? I'd be really interested to hear how you guys can tell you are in the cutting zone. Also, I'd love some input from Dylan on the issue!

P.S.
I have access to just about any compound I need. I've got a supply of Clenbuterol, Tadalafil, HCG, Tamoxifen, Clomiphene, Exemestane, and Anastrozole. As far as getting new compounds, I am open minded within reason (I'm NOT trying Trenbolone, Dianabol, Halotestin, Deca etc...). I would really prefer to only use compounds that are currently manufactured by approved pharmaceutical companies.

Thanks Everyone!
Scottishdoc

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[buen]

So much wrong here....
1. You have only just returned to training....9 months and have started a cycle
1A. You frontloaded your testosterone ...wtf
2. You are bulking with high BF.... then want to cut...this is backwards
3. You want to add a second compound to your first cycle
4. Even if you did add it....200mg of Primo is not sufficient
5. "I'm not much of a calorie counter"
6. The recommended first cycle is 12 weeks of testosterone only
7. It appears that you don't have a PCT plan and compounds already in hand
8. The fact that you even mention clenbuterol

 

[scottishdoc]

Thanks for the reply. I will try to give my reasoning point by point.

1. The "genetic maximum" approach appears to be pretty contentious in most online forums. Some guys think it is necessary while others do not. Unfortunately, as with most of these issues, it is not addressed in the peer reviewed literature in any useful way. Although I would think that like most biochemical processes it occurs on a continuum. As you train naturally you would gain more satellite cells, nitrogen capacity, and fiber density. It would follow that the more advanced your physique when starting AAS - the further you will go. But how advanced is advanced enough for acceptable gains? If your goal is moderate improvement while sticking to relatively low dosages, then why not? (this is a legitimate question, I'm not patronizing) My greatest concern would be HDL and LDL levels in conjunction with blood pressure, but I have pretty solid records of those.

1a. Increasing the dosage of a medication during the length of the first half-life is pretty standard practice in medicine. I am primarily concerned with reaching and maintaining a steady-state plasma concentration of testosterone. Why would you not want to reach your target plasma concentration as soon as possible? [1][2]

2. I am willing to concede on this one. In order to recomp over the cycle I wanted to gain some new muscle mass before cutting down. I guess your advice here is "start cutting now" since "go back in time" isn't an option.

3 & 4. From all that I have read, Primo is an extremely mild cutting/recomp steroid. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the worst case scenario you are proposing is that I see no benefit. I'm open to changing dosage, run time, or cutting it out all together.

5. Just being honest here. I'm not. That doesn't mean that I can't be. I also don't eat processed sugar, fast food, or high levels of saturated fats. When I say the thing I have the most trouble with is restricting carbs, I mean occasionally eating 60g of oats instead of 30g. I'm not stuffing my face with McDonalds.

6. I can run 12 weeks instead of 16.

7. "I've got a supply of Clenbuterol, Tadalafil, HCG, Tamoxifen, Clomiphene, Exemestane, and Anastrozole." As in they are in my cabinet. Is there something else you prefer for PCT? My plan was HCG right after my last injection for 2 weeks. Then start Clomiphene and Exemestane for the remainder using bloods as a guide.

8. I threw clenbuterol in there because I wanted an opinion. I have not taken it, nor did I buy it with the intent of taking it (i have a buddy with systemic mastocytosis and this medication isn't available to him in the states.) I have merely read that it is often used when cutting.

1. Comparative pharmacokinetics of testosterone enanthate and testosterone cyclohexanecarboxylate as assessed by serum and salivary testosterone levels in normal men. 10.1111/j.1365-2605.1984.tb00775.x
2. Effects of testosterone enanthate in normal men: experience from a multicenter contraceptive efficacy study. https://doi.org/10.1016/S0015-0282(16)58166-7

 

[scottishdoc]

I'm starting to see why you don't like clenbuterol... I can't imagine taking a β2 agonist while on a compound that is contraindicated for hypertension (test e). It seems like a heart attack in a bottle. I should've researched it a bit more before bringing it up.

 

[RickRock]

Well bro, you need to have a solid diet plan and take things seriously before using anabolics. You've also only been in the gym a short amount of time. You need a solid natural base before ever using. Your bodyfat is also on the high side for cycling, and bulking is the opposite you should be doing at the moment.

You seem to be a smart guy, and want to make smart choices...so I recommend at least dropping your bodyfat down a bit before starting, and when you do it needs to be a testosterone only cycle. Do not add in other steroid compounds.sarms are fine to add in, but you need to see how you respond to test only before adding anything else

Here is a good layout for you

1-12 test C 350mg per week
1-12 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later

PCT staring two weeks after last injection

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED

 

[scottishdoc]

Well it's not what I wanted to hear, but it looks like there's a bit of a consensus forming. I need a lower bodyfat before starting AAS. I'll start PCT 2 weeks from today and focus on cutting. I'm in this to do the opposite of screw my body up and it is tough to argue with guys who are in it.

1. Should I use the HCG I've got? Or will my endogenous test kick back in fine without it?
-I'll follow the PCT that RR posted, it's pretty similar to the one I had planned.

2. What bodyfat would you consider ready?

 

[DylanGemelli]

as far as your body fat is considered then i would recommend being 12-13%... many say 15 but 15 is not great condition and to use a steroid, you should already be in very strong condition to get as much out of it as you can, which you certainly wont if not in that kind of condition... the higher your body fat, the far more susceptible you are to sides... also, you are going to be very very hard pressed to find anyone that has used legitimate primo as much as i have.. admittedly, i am a primo snob and quite proud of it and trust me when i tell you , anything under 600 mg is a waste... you run it however you want but to spend that kind of money on primo and run it wrong, its a terrible thing especially considering how great of a steroid it is...

 

[scottishdoc]

That seems reasonable. Between here and 12% I can work on perfecting cutting. Then I will start out with an 8 week cycle of test at 400mg/week, 8 weeks PCT. If all goes well on test only then I'll run 400mg/week of test plus 600mg/ week of Primo for 10 weeks. I like the profile of primo. Huge increase in nitrogen retention AND the research suggests that it can directly burn fat. But damn you aren't kidding about how expensive it is. Ten weeks at 600mg is gonna be something like $800. Oh well, in my experience you get what you pay for so I'm sure it's worth it.