Advice first cycle sarms/tbol

[Ps3ud0]

Hi everyone, my name is Mike.
I discovered this forum by watching Dylan's youtube channel, and I'm very glad I did.
This forum seems to contain some real safe advise when it comes to steriods.
Therefor I would like to have some experienced advise for my first cycle.

I have been working out for 5 years now.
Started weightlifting at 132lbs 5" 11 using 5x5 weightlifting program.
Being very skinny it was hard for me to gain weight, but all the food and the heavy compound exercices made me gain 50lbs over the years.

Today I am at 181 lbs with a bf of 14%(?)
Food intake is at 2700kcal

I would like to pack some more muscles and have better muscle definition.
11lbs (clean) would surely satisfie me for my first cycle.
Don't feel like blowing up.

I have been reading a lot about t-bol being milder and giving that dry muscle gain that I am looking for.
But at the same time I saw that you guys advise Sarms quiete often.

What is the good way to go?
Please keep in mind that I am not going to pin...

Thanks in advancd

P.s I'm dutch speaking, excuse me for the spelling errors

 

[Ps3ud0]

Here's a picture

 

[cmb5017]

How old are u? And whats ur goal? More mass? Cut?

 

[Ps3ud0]

Hi

Forgot to mention. I'm 30 years old
Yes I want more mass but it should be lean gains, not dbol gains with water retention and bloating.

 

[RickRock]

Hi everyone, my name is Mike.
I discovered this forum by watching Dylan's youtube channel, and I'm very glad I did.
This forum seems to contain some real safe advise when it comes to steriods.
Therefor I would like to have some experienced advise for my first cycle.

I have been working out for 5 years now.
Started weightlifting at 132lbs 5" 11 using 5x5 weightlifting program.
Being very skinny it was hard for me to gain weight, but all the food and the heavy compound exercices made me gain 50lbs over the years.

Today I am at 181 lbs with a bf of 14%(?)
Food intake is at 2700kcal

I would like to pack some more muscles and have better muscle definition.
11lbs (clean) would surely satisfie me for my first cycle.
Don't feel like blowing up.

I have been reading a lot about t-bol being milder and giving that dry muscle gain that I am looking for.
But at the same time I saw that you guys advise Sarms quiete often.

What is the good way to go?
Please keep in mind that I am not going to pin...

Thanks in advancd

P.s I'm dutch speaking, excuse me for the spelling errors

I think you are on the right track with the compounds you are wanting to use, and Tbol is a great choice for an oral, but honestly you should try a sarms super stack first solo for your first cycle. I think you will be amazed at what that stack can do for you in terms of lean muscle mass as well as fat loss and strength gain. The stack has perfect synergy with each compound complimenting each other to give you all of those benefits. For your lean mass gain goal it is very achievable with this cycle and the right diet/training. You should also get a nice recomp effect giving you better fat loss, endurance, hardening, and vascularity.

Here is the protocol I recommend

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

Get your sarms at the highest quality and check out articles on sarms at www.pureessencesarms.com

PCT

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Ps3ud0]

Hi everyone, my name is Mike.
I discovered this forum by watching Dylan's youtube channel, and I'm very glad I did.
This forum seems to contain some real safe advise when it comes to steriods.
Therefor I would like to have some experienced advise for my first cycle.

I have been working out for 5 years now.
Started weightlifting at 132lbs 5" 11 using 5x5 weightlifting program.
Being very skinny it was hard for me to gain weight, but all the food and the heavy compound exercices made me gain 50lbs over the years.

Today I am at 181 lbs with a bf of 14%(?)
Food intake is at 2700kcal

I would like to pack some more muscles and have better muscle definition.
11lbs (clean) would surely satisfie me for my first cycle.
Don't feel like blowing up.

I have been reading a lot about t-bol being milder and giving that dry muscle gain that I am looking for.
But at the same time I saw that you guys advise Sarms quiete often.

What is the good way to go?
Please keep in mind that I am not going to pin...

Thanks in advancd

P.s I'm dutch speaking, excuse me for the spelling errors

I think you are on the right track with the compounds you are wanting to use, and Tbol is a great choice for an oral, but honestly you should try a sarms super stack first solo for your first cycle. I think you will be amazed at what that stack can do for you in terms of lean muscle mass as well as fat loss and strength gain. The stack has perfect synergy with each compound complimenting each other to give you all of those benefits. For your lean mass gain goal it is very achievable with this cycle and the right diet/training. You should also get a nice recomp effect giving you better fat loss, endurance, hardening, and vascularity.

Here is the protocol I recommend

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

Get your sarms at the highest quality and check out articles on sarms at http://www.pureessencesarms.com

PCT

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

Thanks for the quick answer and advise.
I hope you don't mind, but I still have some questions:

Could you explain why you would go for the 12 week stack instead of 8 weeks?
Do you think it would be nessecary to increase my food intake in order to get the most out of it? Does it work like steroid where the body is able to absorbe more protein?
Will this stack have any impact on my sexual drive?
And finaly, what are the most common gains that can be acomplished with such stack?

Thanks

 

[RickRock]

Hi everyone, my name is Mike.
I discovered this forum by watching Dylan's youtube channel, and I'm very glad I did.
This forum seems to contain some real safe advise when it comes to steriods.
Therefor I would like to have some experienced advise for my first cycle.

I have been working out for 5 years now.
Started weightlifting at 132lbs 5" 11 using 5x5 weightlifting program.
Being very skinny it was hard for me to gain weight, but all the food and the heavy compound exercices made me gain 50lbs over the years.

Today I am at 181 lbs with a bf of 14%(?)
Food intake is at 2700kcal

I would like to pack some more muscles and have better muscle definition.
11lbs (clean) would surely satisfie me for my first cycle.
Don't feel like blowing up.

I have been reading a lot about t-bol being milder and giving that dry muscle gain that I am looking for.
But at the same time I saw that you guys advise Sarms quiete often.

What is the good way to go?
Please keep in mind that I am not going to pin...

Thanks in advancd

P.s I'm dutch speaking, excuse me for the spelling errors

I think you are on the right track with the compounds you are wanting to use, and Tbol is a great choice for an oral, but honestly you should try a sarms super stack first solo for your first cycle. I think you will be amazed at what that stack can do for you in terms of lean muscle mass as well as fat loss and strength gain. The stack has perfect synergy with each compound complimenting each other to give you all of those benefits. For your lean mass gain goal it is very achievable with this cycle and the right diet/training. You should also get a nice recomp effect giving you better fat loss, endurance, hardening, and vascularity.

Here is the protocol I recommend

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

Get your sarms at the highest quality and check out articles on sarms at http://www.pureessencesarms.com

PCT

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

Thanks for the quick answer and advise.
I hope you don't mind, but I still have some questions:

Could you explain why you would go for the 12 week stack instead of 8 weeks?
Do you think it would be nessecary to increase my food intake in order to get the most out of it? Does it work like steroid where the body is able to absorbe more protein?
Will this stack have any impact on my sexual drive?
And finaly, what are the most common gains that can be acomplished with such stack?

Thanks

12 weeks is always the best way to run a sarms stack to get the most benefit from it and get the most results. 8 weeks is really selling yourself short

For your current condition, I would recommend keeping your food intake to a more recomp range without it getting too high, to reap the benefits of both fat loss and muscle gain. So I would not substantially increase your caloric intake, but a little increase for more anabolism is fine

Sarms are anabolics just like steroids, even though they work differently. So sarms will increase protein synthesis just like steroids, enabling you to get more out of your protein and nutrient intake

Typically sarms do not really effect sex drive at all, neither negatively or positively. But everyone is different, and some people have reported a change in sex drive (usually an increase) in isolated cases

Gains will vary greatly from person to person since its defendant on so many things, but gaining 7-10 lean lbs is very realistic on a sarms stack with everything in check as far as diet and training are concerned

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hi everyone, my name is Mike.
I discovered this forum by watching Dylan's youtube channel, and I'm very glad I did.
This forum seems to contain some real safe advise when it comes to steriods.
Therefor I would like to have some experienced advise for my first cycle.

I have been working out for 5 years now.
Started weightlifting at 132lbs 5" 11 using 5x5 weightlifting program.
Being very skinny it was hard for me to gain weight, but all the food and the heavy compound exercices made me gain 50lbs over the years.

Today I am at 181 lbs with a bf of 14%(?)
Food intake is at 2700kcal

I would like to pack some more muscles and have better muscle definition.
11lbs (clean) would surely satisfie me for my first cycle.
Don't feel like blowing up.

I have been reading a lot about t-bol being milder and giving that dry muscle gain that I am looking for.
But at the same time I saw that you guys advise Sarms quiete often.

What is the good way to go?
Please keep in mind that I am not going to pin...

Thanks in advancd

P.s I'm dutch speaking, excuse me for the spelling errors

I think you are on the right track with the compounds you are wanting to use, and Tbol is a great choice for an oral, but honestly you should try a sarms super stack first solo for your first cycle. I think you will be amazed at what that stack can do for you in terms of lean muscle mass as well as fat loss and strength gain. The stack has perfect synergy with each compound complimenting each other to give you all of those benefits. For your lean mass gain goal it is very achievable with this cycle and the right diet/training. You should also get a nice recomp effect giving you better fat loss, endurance, hardening, and vascularity.

Here is the protocol I recommend

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

Get your sarms at the highest quality and check out articles on sarms at http://www.pureessencesarms.com

PCT

clomid 50/25/25/25
gw-501516 20 mg day

Thanks for the quick answer and advise.
I hope you don't mind, but I still have some questions:

Could you explain why you would go for the 12 week stack instead of 8 weeks?
Do you think it would be nessecary to increase my food intake in order to get the most out of it? Does it work like steroid where the body is able to absorbe more protein?
Will this stack have any impact on my sexual drive?
And finaly, what are the most common gains that can be acomplished with such stack?

Thanks

Sorry to be a little late in this thread but let me offer some help as well... Rick has given you some very strong advice... you CAN incorporate tbol within this cycle to really aim for a larger recomp in the size departmenet... you can definitely get size with sarms and with a super stack you can expect to put on a clean 10lbs. if you eat and train to accommodate that... which you would do in any type of cycle... however adding tbol to this and especially having tbol alongside lgd, you can expect dbol like gains without the water retention... so if you want even more size, then this would be a very nice stack for you.. keep in mind that an oral steroid is never going to be anything you hope for on its own and should always have test ran with it for max gains however adding sarms is not the equivalent to test, but it really brings out so much more from an oral than an oral would ever show on its own... you will add enhancement to the enhancer... you will love this stack...

1-12 lgd-4033 10 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 cycle assist
9-12 hcg 1000 ius week

pct 13-16

clomid 50/50/25/25

nolva 40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod

cycle assist

mk-2866 25 mg day

gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[Ps3ud0]

Hi guys,

Thanks a lot for all the help you've already provided me.
Seems that a sarms only cycle will be enough to cover my needs.
However I have been looking for "sarms only bulking" - success stories and logs but couldn't find it .. ?
It seems that sarms is more used to cut than to bulk, correct me if I'm wrong.

Few things are still unclear to me:

I've been reading the article "sarms triple stack protocol" on evolutionary.org. that Daniel wrote.
I was a bit surprised reading to not exceed a cycle of 8 weeks for S4, still you guys advise running it for 12 weeks... ? Did I missed something here?
Also Daniel recommends to use a HcGenerate , this is also missing in the proposed cycle. Is there any particular reason?
Finaly I saw that product brand (sarms1) is different then the one proposed in this topic.
I have to admit being a bit surprised of the high price of a SARMS stack, just hoping that it will be worth the money spend.

Thanks a lot

Mike

 

[RickRock]

Hi guys,

Thanks a lot for all the help you've already provided me.
Seems that a sarms only cycle will be enough to cover my needs.
However I have been looking for "sarms only bulking" - success stories and logs but couldn't find it .. ?
It seems that sarms is more used to cut than to bulk, correct me if I'm wrong.

Few things are still unclear to me:

I've been reading the article "sarms triple stack protocol" on evolutionary.org. that Daniel wrote.
I was a bit surprised reading to not exceed a cycle of 8 weeks for S4, still you guys advise running it for 12 weeks... ? Did I missed something here?
Also Daniel recommends to use a HcGenerate , this is also missing in the proposed cycle. Is there any particular reason?
Finaly I saw that product brand (sarms1) is different then the one proposed in this topic.
I have to admit being a bit surprised of the high price of a SARMS stack, just hoping that it will be worth the money spend.

Thanks a lot

Mike

Hey brother, please do me a favor and don't read or follow any of the advice you see on evolutionary. It's a lot of misinformation aimed at making you add a lot of expensive and unnecessary items to a sarms stack. Dylan and I Have more experience and knowledge on sarms than anyone at Evolutionary. We have been involved with them for years before anyone at EVO had been

I can assure you that S4 is most ideal when ran 12 weeks, as is any other sarm. The sarms super stack, which includes all 4 sarms is definitely well utilized for bulking. Just check out some of the logs on this forum to show the potential on adding muscle mass and strength with this stack. Adding Tbol to it like Dylan suggested will only enhance that further, and you can really gain some lean mass with that cycle.

Sarms1 is a very poor company, and ran by scam artists. Dylan and I were once affiliated with that company, but we left there when product quality went way down and they started scamming people. I can assure you that Pure Essence is the best sarms company you will find in terms of quality, purity, and customer service.

 

[cmb5017]

Evo sucks ass. Id rather get advice from bostin loyd than listen to them douche bags

 

[RickRock]

Re: RE: Re: Advice first cycle sarms/tbol

Evo sucks ass. Id rather get advice from bostin loyd than listen to them douche bags

Ha-ha! Funny, but true!

 

[DylanGemelli]

Hi guys,

Thanks a lot for all the help you've already provided me.
Seems that a sarms only cycle will be enough to cover my needs.
However I have been looking for "sarms only bulking" - success stories and logs but couldn't find it .. ?
It seems that sarms is more used to cut than to bulk, correct me if I'm wrong.

Few things are still unclear to me:

I've been reading the article "sarms triple stack protocol" on evolutionary.org. that Daniel wrote.
I was a bit surprised reading to not exceed a cycle of 8 weeks for S4, still you guys advise running it for 12 weeks... ? Did I missed something here?
Also Daniel recommends to use a HcGenerate , this is also missing in the proposed cycle. Is there any particular reason?
Finaly I saw that product brand (sarms1) is different then the one proposed in this topic.
I have to admit being a bit surprised of the high price of a SARMS stack, just hoping that it will be worth the money spend.

Thanks a lot

Mike

things on evolutionary are edited to what THEY want them to be and what they feel makes them the most money etc... they pay people to write content, yet to edit it to their liking, post it to gain credibility and then rip people off left and right... THATS why we all left... they scam, they hurt and they have no consideration or care for others except their own selfish wants...

you absolutely can bulk with sarms.. LGD can put on an an average of 10lbs. but no matter what you use, its based on how you eat and train... if you eat to accommodate this goal then you absolutely can put it on with this stack... all the sarms in this stack together provide a special benefit that when put together make an ultimate cycle as the one that was laid out to you... you can most certainly gain that kind of size... you do not need hcgenerate anywhere in this cycle whatsoever.... save your money and time on that... the suppression is minimal at best and a simple addition of daa will be all the extra boost or help you need... i stand by this all the way that this stack is exactly what you want and in no way will you be disappointed but more so pleasantly surprised...