56 year old steroids

[buen]

Bro...you are so off track
100mg per week in most men will produce serum test levels of 700 to 1000ng/mL regardless of your starting serum level
It is the dose protocol recommended by ALL Professional groups of endocrinologists
Not one of the accredited endocrinologist societies support your theory
I agree... studies have shown there are multiple reason for low
Test and natural serum levels can be increased... BUT NOT BY ADDING EXTROGENIST TESTOSTERONE

 

[buen]

but among men who have made drastic lifestyle changes, tgey have been anle to supplement their test making up a shortfall!


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Please post the methodology for differentiating between natural test and exogenous Test in blood serum... beause what you are saying is that these studies can tell that the exogenous test supplemented the natural production instead of totally replacing it
I'd like to run it by my endocrinologist .... he's been a leader in TRT research for over 20 years

 

[SpikedEggnog]

I am 6'2 | 240 | mesomorph | 25% bf.

I am launching my first cycle ever, my body (due to age) has virtually stopped producing test so question #1 should I not cycle and simply stay ON year round, or run an aggressive cycle for a few months and reduce to replacement doses for a few months -- then repeat? I still have very ambitious goals to improve aesthetically, gain size and increase strength.

I went to an anti aging doc who prescribed me 100mg \ week of test cyp and overcharged me dramatically for the test, blood work and consult....what a racket I fear that such a moderate dose will not be adequate given my objectives listed above and my passion for younger women.

I compete in full contact martial arts tournaments and have since i was 6 years old. i plan to continue for the foreseeable future. i am hoping the gear will help with recovery which is currently my biggest challenge as a competitor

.... I have chosen napsgear.org based upon advice from a trainer...you might care to comment on if the site looks credible.

Thank you for your selfless sharing and I wish you health and prosperity in the coming year.

25% bodyfat is way too high bro. you need to get that down before you try to cycle.

napsgear is TRASH bro, dont use that site

 

[RickRock]

Please post the methodology for differentiating between natural test and exogenous Test in blood serum... beause what you are saying is that these studies can tell that the exogenous test supplemented the natural production instead of totally replacing it
I'd like to run it by my endocrinologist .... he's been a leader in TRT research for over 20 years

Exactly......endocrinologists prescribe testosterone based on a desired blood serum concentration related to that dose, and has nothing to do with the patients starting natural test levels. They are never even considered because what natural test they do have will be shut down anyways once TRT is started.


At any rate, obviouosly this isn't going to go anywhere here and I think we need to leave that discussion for another thread. I don't want this topic to keep tying up this guys thread

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[jp1957]

FYI, I wasnt gonna get into this, but I ran it past the department head at the hospital here(and he works with the local sports teams), and he's unaware of anything supporting exogenous test being anythign other than a replacement.

But, with that said, there are exceptions, and those exceptions are still unknown. As Dorin pointed out, perhaps trauma induced. Thats why most Dr's start a patient between 100-125mg to start, then gauge the bodys reaction. But these exceptions are so rare.

Sorry to clog the thread.

 

[Mathew316]

New member. I am 62 with 16% bf, and TRT seemed to have no effect on me. TT of 215 ng/dl. I stumbled across SARMS on Amazon of all places. Thank you for the links above. If I have questions, may I PM you?

 

[jp1957]

If you are on TRT and still that low, you have a shit doctor. Best you start your own thread on this.

 

[Mathew316]

If you are on TRT and still that low, you have a shit doctor. Best you start your own thread on this.

Thank you for the quick reply. Yes, I agree. He is my 3rd doc in 6 years also.

I have brought my bf down from 27% to 16% (Paleo Diet). Maybe a proper SARM stack would make the T more effective?

And yes, I need to hunt for a new doctor. Too bad I'm not in Florida or Nevada.

 

[rockmfhudd]

Thank you for the quick reply. Yes, I agree. He is my 3rd doc in 6 years also.

I have brought my bf down from 27% to 16% (Paleo Diet). Maybe a proper SARM stack would make the T more effective?

And yes, I need to hunt for a new doctor. Too bad I'm not in Florida or Nevada.

here is the problem even with a trt clinic half of them don't know what the fuck they are doing other than charging an absorbent amount for little to no good advice. i tried to get the military to start me on trt and they said i was normal at around 200's so after a few years of gaining weight and feeling like shit i found this place and ran some sarms with test cyp and just this past year started my own self medicated trt, after cycle my bloods dropped back down in the 200s now i feel great. start a thread and we can discuss further with others input as well.

 

[jp1957]

Thank you for the quick reply. Yes, I agree. He is my 3rd doc in 6 years also.

I have brought my bf down from 27% to 16% (Paleo Diet). Maybe a proper SARM stack would make the T more effective?

And yes, I need to hunt for a new doctor. Too bad I'm not in Florida or Nevada.

All a sarms stqck does is make a cycle even stronger. Even your cycle of test isnt enough to get you at least into the 600's(median) then the dosage is too low.

Personally, a TRT clinic charges absurd dollars, most dont know shit, its just about the money.

I'd advise self medicate a good trt dose, start at 150mg with a long esther (My personal suggestion is Valhalla as a supplier) once week, get bloods again in 3-4 weeks, and see how your bloods look.

Honestly, most vets here know more about TRT than Doctors do unless you find one of the rare Dr's.

 

[Dorin76]

All a sarms stqck does is make a cycle even stronger. Even your cycle of test isnt enough to get you at least into the 600's(median) then the dosage is too low.

Personally, a TRT clinic charges absurd dollars, most dont know shit, its just about the money.

I'd advise self medicate a good trt dose, start at 150mg with a long esther (My personal suggestion is Valhalla as a supplier) once week, get bloods again in 3-4 weeks, and see how your bloods look.

Honestly, most vets here know more about TRT than Doctors do unless you find one of the rare Dr's.

Very true! And the doctors as well as all professional medics need to be open minded enough to explore the possibilities 1. No two peple are same and 2. Past treatments that worked are not set in stone. Keep exploring options! I love naturopathic practitioners for this reason.


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[RickRock]

New member. I am 62 with 16% bf, and TRT seemed to have no effect on me. TT of 215 ng/dl. I stumbled across SARMS on Amazon of all places. Thank you for the links above. If I have questions, may I PM you?

You should start your own thread, but you are free to pm me or Dylan anytime

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[RickRock]

Thank you for the quick reply. Yes, I agree. He is my 3rd doc in 6 years also.

I have brought my bf down from 27% to 16% (Paleo Diet). Maybe a proper SARM stack would make the T more effective?

And yes, I need to hunt for a new doctor. Too bad I'm not in Florida or Nevada.

The problem and why you felt like crap is because you weren't given the right trt dose to bring you to the proper range

But in answer to your question, sarms will only make things better

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[Mathew316]

here is the problem even with a trt clinic half of them don't know what the fuck they are doing other than charging an absorbent amount for little to no good advice. i tried to get the military to start me on trt and they said i was normal at around 200's so after a few years of gaining weight and feeling like shit i found this place and ran some sarms with test cyp and just this past year started my own self medicated trt, after cycle my bloods dropped back down in the 200s now i feel great. start a thread and we can discuss further with others input as well.

That's interesting...so TRT works if I don't have fat turning the T into Estrogen?

Ok, I'll start a thread on this.

Thank you for the reply.