2nd Cycle Help with dosing!

[kizame]

Greetings, what I've on my hand is sus 300mg/ml, Tbol 10mg/100tabs and clomid. I want to know which would be the lower dose on which I'll still see the gains, what I have in mind is one shot of sus ew, I know most use it at 500mg and shot it eod to maintain the blood levels etc. I just want to stick with it at the 300mg/week. For the tbol, I want to know if I can use it as a kickstart and the dose. My first cycle was sustanon 300/week, deca 300/week and eq 300/ week all of them for 10 weeks,I'm 5'7 and I went from 130 to 160 pounds and after pct (clomid) I stayed at 156 for a longtime.

This how it looks for now feel free to correct me

Sus 300mg/ew for 1-10 weeks
Tbol 40mg/ed for 25 days
clomid 3 weeks after last shot of sus 50/50/25/25

Also I want to find some liver protection which one you guys recommend me and when to use it! during cycle? during pct? after pct?

Thanks for the support have a good one.

 

[cmb5017]

You will see good results on sust at 300 per week. I dont use oral kickstarters myself. But the dosing dosent look right to me.

 

[kizame]

what doesn't look right for you the dosage of tbol for 25 days? should be longer and at a lower dose? I only have 100 tabs of 10 mg and I wont get more. thanks for replying tho

 

[cmb5017]

Well most people run for 4 weeks on a pyramid scheme. .starting at a low dose and bumping it up every week then come back down.

 

[kizame]

so it should look like 30/40/40/30 ?

 

[RickRock]

You do not ever want to taper down anabolics. It's just a waste of gear. Tapering up as myostatin levels rise is fine, but once you reach a dose there is no reason to lower it, since your body will not build muscle or strength at the lower dose. You must constantly overcome adaptation to progress.

25 days is a little short for Tbol though in my opinion. If you can get more, I would and run it 6 weeks.

 

[kizame]

Well I don't want to run an oral for 6 weeks, so for what I have what would you do??? and for the liver support people recommend milk thistle, liv52 but dont say when to use it if during cycle or during pct or after pct

 

[RickRock]

Well I don't want to run an oral for 6 weeks, so for what I have what would you do??? and for the liver support people recommend milk thistle, liv52 but dont say when to use it if during cycle or during pct or after pct

Running 4 weeks is fine if that's all you want to do. Run your liver supports on cycle while on the orals. It's not a bad idea to run them afterwards as well to help you return liver enzymes to baseline values quicker.

 

[kizame]

so which of those would be best 40mg of tbol for 25 days or 30/30/40/40 also thanks for the help and excuse me for keep bothering with the same thing

 

[RickRock]

so which of those would be best 40mg of tbol for 25 days or 30/30/40/40 also thanks for the help and excuse me for keep bothering with the same thing

It won't make much difference, but I feel 40mg is a more effective dose. I would just run that for 25 days

 

[drb_iac]

You do not ever want to taper down anabolics. It's just a waste of gear. Tapering up as myostatin levels rise is fine, but once you reach a dose there is no reason to lower it, since your body will not build muscle or strength at the lower dose. You must constantly overcome adaptation to progress.

25 days is a little short for Tbol though in my opinion. If you can get more, I would and run it 6 weeks.

I agree Rick. Tapering down is throwing gear away. You don't need to taper up either unless you are experimenting, or maybe on fast acting gear. For me a taper up is more like adding stuff in along the way. For instance start out with sus then add cyp. I taper down all in 1 day..lol.

 

[DylanGemelli]

You do not ever want to taper down anabolics. It's just a waste of gear. Tapering up as myostatin levels rise is fine, but once you reach a dose there is no reason to lower it, since your body will not build muscle or strength at the lower dose. You must constantly overcome adaptation to progress.

25 days is a little short for Tbol though in my opinion. If you can get more, I would and run it 6 weeks.

I agree Rick. Tapering down is throwing gear away. You don't need to taper up either unless you are experimenting, or maybe on fast acting gear. For me a taper up is more like adding stuff in along the way. For instance start out with sus then add cyp. I taper down all in 1 day..lol.

i also agree and i never recommend nor implement anything of the sort... you can keep tbol to 4 weeks but your really selling it short and if your not willing to go 6 weeks on orals then you are really wasting them... some should only be ran 4 weeks, like dbol, anadrol, halotestin but others like winstrol, anavar, tbol, proviron etc. are meant to be used longer... you will see results with tbol at 30-40 bro but 60 is the sweet spot... for your cycle protection i would go with CEL cycle assist... very affordable and very high quality...

 

[kizame]

Thanks dylan, well I'll see how it works and will let you guys know about the results, the cycle assist thats new for me, should I rum it during the cycle or during PCT?

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thanks dylan, well I'll see how it works and will let you guys know about the results, the cycle assist thats new for me, should I rum it during the cycle or during PCT?

run it alongside any orals you run and during pct as well...

 

[RickRock]

Thanks dylan, well I'll see how it works and will let you guys know about the results, the cycle assist thats new for me, should I rum it during the cycle or during PCT?

Definitely with the orals for sure. Afterwards in PCT is good as well to help your health values return to baseline

 

[kizame]

Understood, thanks so much everyone!