SARMS With TRT - Advice Needed

[NakedSoul]

I am 43 years old and am 5'8" 170 Lbs and about 10% BF. I have been lifting
for many years and have been on TRT for about 5 years.

I was originally on 200mg of test cyp EW as prescribed by my doctor. However,
my libido and erection quality has always been a roller coaster ride at tht
dosage.

I recently have been experimenting with low dose test prop sub q for my TRT.
I started at 25mg ED sub q and that shot my test level over 1300. So...
I backed it down to 20mg per day and I am not sure what my current
level is until I get blood work done again.

For whatever reason... I am ultra sensitive to E2. If my E2 is not just
right... I get ED issues. Trying to get my E@ dialed in with anastrozole
has been pretty much impossible.

I have noticed I do a lot better when I am on a low dose of test. I
experimented with 10mg per day at one point and my libido and
erections had great improvement.

The problem is that at that level I started to feel a bit lethargic and
felt like I was losing some strength. The gym is my sanctuary and
I want to keep my strength and performance up in the gym.

I have been looking for a solution for a long time and I am thinking that
SARMs with low dose test may be a solution for me. Right now I am
looking seriously at the Ostra and possibly some of the others.

I know that there is no long-term safety information about some of
these SARMs because they just have not been around long enough.
However... they do appear to be quite promising.

From what I have said... Would you say Ostra would be one of the
better choices to begin testing? Do you think that this would help
maintain muscle and strength levels on my low TRT dosage?

What about long-term usage? Are there any other additions that
you would think would be important to add to the mix.

I am definitely not a fan of water retention and looking bloated. I
just want to be ripped and strong without having the nightmare
of constantly trying to get my E2 dialed in when taking more test.

Great forum!

 

[DylanGemelli]

I am 43 years old and am 5'8" 170 Lbs and about 10% BF. I have been lifting
for many years and have been on TRT for about 5 years.

I was originally on 200mg of test cyp EW as prescribed by my doctor. However,
my libido and erection quality has always been a roller coaster ride at tht
dosage.

I recently have been experimenting with low dose test prop sub q for my TRT.
I started at 25mg ED sub q and that shot my test level over 1300. So...
I backed it down to 20mg per day and I am not sure what my current
level is until I get blood work done again.

For whatever reason... I am ultra sensitive to E2. If my E2 is not just
right... I get ED issues. Trying to get my E@ dialed in with anastrozole
has been pretty much impossible.

I have noticed I do a lot better when I am on a low dose of test. I
experimented with 10mg per day at one point and my libido and
erections had great improvement.

The problem is that at that level I started to feel a bit lethargic and
felt like I was losing some strength. The gym is my sanctuary and
I want to keep my strength and performance up in the gym.

I have been looking for a solution for a long time and I am thinking that
SARMs with low dose test may be a solution for me. Right now I am
looking seriously at the Ostra and possibly some of the others.

I know that there is no long-term safety information about some of
these SARMs because they just have not been around long enough.
However... they do appear to be quite promising.

From what I have said... Would you say Ostra would be one of the
better choices to begin testing? Do you think that this would help
maintain muscle and strength levels on my low TRT dosage?

What about long-term usage? Are there any other additions that
you would think would be important to add to the mix.

I am definitely not a fan of water retention and looking bloated. I
just want to be ripped and strong without having the nightmare
of constantly trying to get my E2 dialed in when taking more test.

Great forum!

hey brother, great to have you here...

so one thing i would recommend is to get aromasin over arimidex for estrogen control... arimidex is far weaker and if you are estrogen sensitive, its not for you... not to mention it will cause you issues on your lipid profile as well... get aromasin and start using it 12.5 mg every other day until you get this under control and then we will scale back since your only on trt...

as far as sarms with trt, that is more than ideal... i have spoken on this several times and its one of my favorite methods... its extremely effective and something that you will be extremely pleased with... osta is an excellent choice to add here as are many others... what are your main goals moving forward? let me know so i can set this all up for you... i have many ideas but i need to know your goals?

 

[NakedSoul]

hey brother, great to have you here...

so one thing i would recommend is to get aromasin over arimidex for estrogen control... arimidex is far weaker and if you are estrogen sensitive, its not for you... not to mention it will cause you issues on your lipid profile as well... get aromasin and start using it 12.5 mg every other day until you get this under control and then we will scale back since your only on trt...

as far as sarms with trt, that is more than ideal... i have spoken on this several times and its one of my favorite methods... its extremely effective and something that you will be extremely pleased with... osta is an excellent choice to add here as are many others... what are your main goals moving forward? let me know so i can set this all up for you... i have many ideas but i need to know your goals?

Honestly... I am not sure where to go from here. My goal is really just to maintain the muscle that I have and drop a couple percentages in bodyfat to get more of a ripped look. Even though I am only 170 pounds, I seem to look a lot bigger than I am because of my smaller frame.

One of my main concerns right now is figuring out where I should be on my test prop. I know many guys are now recommending low dose test sub q at around 10mg per day and that can supposedly eliminate the need for an AI. Not sure if you know Emeric, but he also recommended 10mg per day on the test prop.

I had been taking 20mg prop per day and .25 EOD of Arimidex. It didn't seem like enough after a few weeks so I moved to .5 ED. I continued to have erection issues so I skipped a couple shots and by the second day I started having morning wood again. I am not sure if this is indicative of a need to drop my test even further to 10mg per day or not.

Like I said... this has been an ongoing issue for years with me. It all started when I got a vericocele back in the day. It seems to throw my hormones off big time. No matter what I do... I just cant seem to get things dialed in.

At 43, I would like to find a sweet spot where I can be healthy... have great sex... and at the same time look good and keep my strength up. I have blood work from about 2 months ago when I was taking 25mg ED with no AI if this helps.

I want to get blood work done again to see where I am at, but I am currently staying in Bangkok Thailand and I am not sure where I can get this done while I am here.

Thank you so much for taking time to reply. I am quite impressed by the knowledge you share in your videos and the way you are running your forums.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Honestly... I am not sure where to go from here. My goal is really just to maintain the muscle that I have and drop a couple percentages in bodyfat to get more of a ripped look. Even though I am only 170 pounds, I seem to look a lot bigger than I am because of my smaller frame.

One of my main concerns right now is figuring out where I should be on my test prop. I know many guys are now recommending low dose test sub q at around 10mg per day and that can supposedly eliminate the need for an AI. Not sure if you know Emeric, but he also recommended 10mg per day on the test prop.

I had been taking 20mg prop per day and .25 EOD of Arimidex. It didn't seem like enough after a few weeks so I moved to .5 ED. I continued to have erection issues so I skipped a couple shots and by the second day I started having morning wood again. I am not sure if this is indicative of a need to drop my test even further to 10mg per day or not.

Like I said... this has been an ongoing issue for years with me. It all started when I got a vericocele back in the day. It seems to throw my hormones off big time. No matter what I do... I just cant seem to get things dialed in.

At 43, I would like to find a sweet spot where I can be healthy... have great sex... and at the same time look good and keep my strength up. I have blood work from about 2 months ago when I was taking 25mg ED with no AI if this helps.

I want to get blood work done again to see where I am at, but I am currently staying in Bangkok Thailand and I am not sure where I can get this done while I am here.

Thank you so much for taking time to reply. I am quite impressed by the knowledge you share in your videos and the way you are running your forums.

im more than happy to help brother...

have you considered getting off prop and using test cyp? prop is not ideal for trt

also, i'll have you add proviron to your trt with sarms once i know about you switching to cyp or not... proviron will definitely help with some of the issues your having...

 

[NakedSoul]

im more than happy to help brother...

have you considered getting off prop and using test cyp? prop is not ideal for trt

also, i'll have you add proviron to your trt with sarms once i know about you switching to cyp or not... proviron will definitely help with some of the issues your having...

I am willing to go back to test cyp if necessary. The prop is experimental as some people swear by it saying it can mimic the natural test production as I am sure you are well aware.

I prefer not to include proviron as I would like to keep my hair. Haha

I appreciate your help

 

[DylanGemelli]

I am willing to go back to test cyp if necessary. The prop is experimental as some people swear by it saying it can mimic the natural test production as I am sure you are well aware.

I prefer not to include proviron as I would like to keep my hair. Haha

I appreciate your help

brother, you do understand that test prop and test cyp are the exact same thing aside from the ester attached right? there is a reason test cyp is the most commonly and prescribed used ester of test for trt... 10 mg per day is a joke... 70 mg per week is not even a trt dose... there is no change in estrogen between 75 to 150 bro... your creating something thats just not there... my recommendation is to get on test cyp at 150 mg week.. if you feel like you need an ai, thats cool but dont over do it...

 

[NakedSoul]

brother, you do understand that test prop and test cyp are the exact same thing aside from the ester attached right? there is a reason test cyp is the most commonly and prescribed used ester of test for trt... 10 mg per day is a joke... 70 mg per week is not even a trt dose... there is no change in estrogen between 75 to 150 bro... your creating something thats just not there... my recommendation is to get on test cyp at 150 mg week.. if you feel like you need an ai, thats cool but dont over do it...

Makes sense. Originally, I was on 200mg per week of Cyp. I noticed that the last day before my shot, was the best for libido / morning wood. In fact, if I stayed off for a bit, things seemed to get better. At this dose, I needed an AI, but just could not seem to get it dialed in with the anastrozole. That said... I was happy with my strength and results in the gym.

I had been researching how many guys were experiencing less aromatization with more frequent shots and even less with test prop. That is why I started experimenting with this.

Looking at my blood work... 25mg per day Prop had me at these numbers:

Total Test : 1378
Free Test: 48
Estradiol Sensitive: 44

I was hoping to either manage my E2 with an AI or lower my test and maybe not need an AI at all. With these numbers... I did not feel good and lost morning wood.

Honestly, I am a bit confused on where to go from here and am willing to try anything.

Thanks again

 

[RickRock]

Makes sense. Originally, I was on 200mg per week of Cyp. I noticed that the last day before my shot, was the best for libido / morning wood. In fact, if I stayed off for a bit, things seemed to get better. At this dose, I needed an AI, but just could not seem to get it dialed in with the anastrozole. That said... I was happy with my strength and results in the gym.

I had been researching how many guys were experiencing less aromatization with more frequent shots and even less with test prop. That is why I started experimenting with this.

Looking at my blood work... 25mg per day Prop had me at these numbers:

Total Test : 1378
Free Test: 48
Estradiol Sensitive: 44

I was hoping to either manage my E2 with an AI or lower my test and maybe not need an AI at all. With these numbers... I did not feel good and lost morning wood.

Honestly, I am a bit confused on where to go from here and am willing to try anything.

Thanks again

Honestly bro. Your estrogen isn't even that high. I feel best with my estrogen no lower than 30 and keeping it under 50.


Your test level is extremely high also, so neither one is an issue. I would recommend,mend some extend bloodwork and start looking at SHBG, which may be high . If it is, either proviron or Aromasin will lower it and increase libido. You just want to make sure not to crush your estrogen so I would go the proviron route at first to see how that goes


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[DylanGemelli]

Makes sense. Originally, I was on 200mg per week of Cyp. I noticed that the last day before my shot, was the best for libido / morning wood. In fact, if I stayed off for a bit, things seemed to get better. At this dose, I needed an AI, but just could not seem to get it dialed in with the anastrozole. That said... I was happy with my strength and results in the gym.

I had been researching how many guys were experiencing less aromatization with more frequent shots and even less with test prop. That is why I started experimenting with this.

Looking at my blood work... 25mg per day Prop had me at these numbers:

Total Test : 1378
Free Test: 48
Estradiol Sensitive: 44

I was hoping to either manage my E2 with an AI or lower my test and maybe not need an AI at all. With these numbers... I did not feel good and lost morning wood.

Honestly, I am a bit confused on where to go from here and am willing to try anything.

Thanks again

i think your misunderstanding what exactly high estrogen is... your kind of over playing where its at when it is 44... yes, it would be more optimal to be in the 20-30 range but its not even out of normal range at 44... also, arimidex is the problem... its weak and if your gyno prone then that's the last thing you want and it sounds to me like you are a bit prone... you need to be on aromasin as i indicated... make the switch and you will thank me later.. keep test cyp around 150 mg week...

 

[NakedSoul]

This makes a lot of sense. I just don't understand why with my estrogen being where it is... why I seem to get ED every time I take a shot. I skipped a shot and my morning wood started to come back. I took just a 20mg shot last night and had ED again tonight. (My girl was not happy. haha).

I know you are saying to stick around 140mg per week. Every time I go higher than 20mg EOD, I seem to start having issues again. I really do want to keep my levels higher and maintain my muscle. This is what drove me to look into SARMS. You really think 140mg with aromasin could do the trick?

I understand the half-life of aromasin is pretty short. Taking into consideration my previous numbers, what do you think would be a good starting point for dosing aromasin? Doesn't it need to be taken frequently? Yes, I am gyno prone. In fact, even when my estrogen is low, I still get puffy nipples for some reason. Thought it might be prolactin related...

Thanks again

 

[DylanGemelli]

This makes a lot of sense. I just don't understand why with my estrogen being where it is... why I seem to get ED every time I take a shot. I skipped a shot and my morning wood started to come back. I took just a 20mg shot last night and had ED again tonight. (My girl was not happy. haha).

I know you are saying to stick around 140mg per week. Every time I go higher than 20mg EOD, I seem to start having issues again. I really do want to keep my levels higher and maintain my muscle. This is what drove me to look into SARMS. You really think 140mg with aromasin could do the trick?

I understand the half-life of aromasin is pretty short. Taking into consideration my previous numbers, what do you think would be a good starting point for dosing aromasin? Doesn't it need to be taken frequently? Yes, I am gyno prone. In fact, even when my estrogen is low, I still get puffy nipples for some reason. Thought it might be prolactin related...

Thanks again

12.5 mg every other day will be more than enough to manage everything

 

[NakedSoul]

Got me some aromasin today at the local pharmacy. I am going to be dosing at my test at 140mg per week and taking 12.5mg aromasin EOD. Hopefully this will do the trick.

What in the way of SARMS would be helpful with some extra strength and assist with leaning out? My diet is on point most of the time.

Thanks again

 

[RickRock]

Got me some aromasin today at the local pharmacy. I am going to be dosing at my test at 140mg per week and taking 12.5mg aromasin EOD. Hopefully this will do the trick.

What in the way of SARMS would be helpful with some extra strength and assist with leaning out? My diet is on point most of the time.

Thanks again

I have the perfect sarms to add for your goals of strength and leaning out brother. You can get these from www.sarmsx.com and the quality is the best you'll find hands down

1-12 S4 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg in the p.m.
1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 mk-2866 25 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 SR-9009 30mg per day (5mg dosed 6 times every 2-3 hours)



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[NakedSoul]

Thank you for the recommendations RickRock.

How long will it take for the Aromasin to begin working to where I might expect to notice some positive effects?

 

[RickRock]

Thank you for the recommendations RickRock.

How long will it take for the Aromasin to begin working to where I might expect to notice some positive effects?

Aromasin works fairly quick, but I would say give it a good week or so to really notice the positive effects.

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[DylanGemelli]

Thank you for the recommendations RickRock.

How long will it take for the Aromasin to begin working to where I might expect to notice some positive effects?

you will definitely see good aromasin work rather quickly... a week or less

 

[NakedSoul]

I think I may have crashed my E2 at 12mg Aromasin E2D. Seemed to get better for a couple days and then tonight no wood even with cialis.

I know the half-life is short with Aromasin. The pills are too small to cut smaller than half. Not sure where to go from here. Is E3D or E4D still possible with Aromasin?

Thanks again

 

[RickRock]

I think I may have crashed my E2 at 12mg Aromasin E2D. Seemed to get better for a couple days and then tonight no wood even with cialis.

I know the half-life is short with Aromasin. The pills are too small to cut smaller than half. Not sure where to go from here. Is E3D or E4D still possible with Aromasin?

Thanks again

Yes you more than likely did crush it, considering it really wasn't high to begin with as I said in an earlier post. You can dose it less frequent but you probably should just really lay off of it for the time being to let your E levels come back up


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[DylanGemelli]

I think I may have crashed my E2 at 12mg Aromasin E2D. Seemed to get better for a couple days and then tonight no wood even with cialis.

I know the half-life is short with Aromasin. The pills are too small to cut smaller than half. Not sure where to go from here. Is E3D or E4D still possible with Aromasin?

Thanks again

thats why i always recommend the liquid aromasin at sarmsx bro... you can accommodate your dosing EXACTLY how you want it...