Winstrol + Dbol as kick-starters

[Adamchd]

_Age
36
_Height
5 11
_Weight
175
_Body fat %
10+/-
_Years of training
14 years
_Complete cycle history (compounds, doses, lengths of time, when they were run)
Finished the below cycle 10 months ago:
Test - E_300mg/wk
Weeks 1-12
Aromisin 10mg eod
Weeks 1-18
_PCT for each cycle
Clomid ed
Weeks 14-18 (50/50/25/25)
Novaldex ed
Weeks 14-18 (40/40/20/20)
_Goals
My goal is the gain 10-15 lbs of size without it being a yo-yo weight gain. I'm not overly concerned with being cut and low body fat at this point, but I am concerned with gaining a bunch of unwanted water weight along with the muscle that will linger over time
_Supplements (if any)
Protein Powders / Vitamins
_General idea of nutrition
All Natural at all costs - I stick to plenty of meats, eggs, fruits, and vegetables with a few whole grains
_Any other relevant info (injuries, surgeries you've had, etc.)
I have slight knee issues that I do not believe will give me issues until I hit the 200 lbs mark in weight. Years of carrying a 120 lb rucksack in the USMC.
Also, I like to run half-marathons so I do not want to pack on a lot of useless water weight, or excessive amounts of uncontrollable fat gain (keeping in mind that I completely accept the fact that some comes with use of aas)
I work-out most days - Running 1-2x/week _ full body weights 2-3x/week split over 4-5 workouts 60 min or more each


I have in my hands:
Orals-
1000mg Dbol
2000mg Winstrol
Inj:
6000mg Test E
PCT:
Aromisin (12.5mg eod for the full 18 weeks)
Clomid 4 weeks 50/50/25/25 (weeks 14-18)
Novaldex 4 weeks 40/40/20/20 (weeks 14-18)

Aside from the above mentioned PCT, I wanted to know opinions of my projected cycle:

Test E 400mg every 6 days - total of 15 pins in 12 weeks (6000mg total)
Dbol 20mg ed weeks 1-4 (560mg total)
Winstrol 20mg ed weeks 1-4
Winstrol 50mg ed weeks 10-14 (1960mg total)
Aromisin 12.5mg eod weeks 1-18
Plus PCT of Clomid and Nolvadex Weeks 14-18

1. Should I reduce to Dianabol 10mg ed to reduce bloating but still kickstart size?
2. Will 10-20mg of Dbol even have an effect?
3. Is there any harm / benefit to running Winstrol and Dbol together?
4. Will running 20mg of Winstrol along with 10-20mg of Dbol even have an effect?
5. Should I just stick to a recommended dose of Dbol 30mg ed to kickstart for Weeks 1-4 and leave Winstrol for the last 6 weeks / 50mg ed (weeks 9-14)?

Any advice or assistance would be great!

In hindsight, I should've gone with Tbol as a kicker but I'll work with what I've got

Thanks

 

[EZ_E]

Thanks for posting full stats.

For a Marathon runner, or any endurance athlete... AAS is the best choice IMO.

ARe you favmikiar with SARMS.?

 

[DTA707]

Winstrol and dbol is a weird combo. They're polar opposites. What made you pick those?

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[Adamchd]

I am yes. I got a few supplements from Sarmsx but I was leaning more towards AAS for the time being to try and make some strong gains

 

[DTA707]

I could see Anadrol and Winstrol. Dylan ran those together and the results speak for themselves but I can't wrap my head around dbol and Winstrol.

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[Adamchd]

Winstrol and dbol is a weird combo. They're polar opposites. What made you pick those?

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I want to gain some size and strength from Dbol (and honestly I could use the uplifting boost to get you going that I've heard and seen that Dbol can provide)

Winstrol - I've always wanted to try despite it's potential hindering effects on joints. I was dead set on going into this cycle with Winstrol included

Not sure if they'll mix though if I attempted it?

 

[Adamchd]

All of my AAS and PCT come from both Sarmsx and Pharmacom FYI

 

[EZ_E]

With the potential bloating & water retention from dbol and joint issues from winny I don't see an ad advantage for the type of athlete you are boss man.

 

[DylanGemelli]

i really do not like this stack idea whatsoever.. .i can understand with anadrol or tbol, yes but definitely not dbol... you do whatever you want but i would never recommend this to anyone nor would i ever personally run it... thats up to you... i cant believe you say you are concerned about gaining water weight and you pick the steroid that gives the most, even with winstrol with it, you are still going to have it... it just doesn't make any sense to me but hey, i see this all day long so its not surprising...

 

[RickRock]

Keep in mind that oral steroids can be very detrimental to runners as they can cause painful muscle cramps. I don't like the use of Dbol in here at all. Winstrol you at least have at a lower dose.

If you are into endurance and running GW would be an excellent addition here

 

[Adamchd]

Did i miss something here? I've been a big fan of Dylan's videos on youtube for over a year now and I have made a decision to try and make the most out of what I have to work with and now i ask for some guidance and I'm being shit on for doing so?

Wow, that's not fair or even close to being right

I have some illogical goals, maybe, but everything i've seen on this forum even before joining was that you would at least help and guide someone through what they're facing.... not shit on them for having chosen to buy Dbol or whatever the case may be. To ask a question and search for guidance from people that you've read their inputs and have respected them and their opinions only to be put into a simplistic solution "he's an idiot and doesn't know wtf to do" type category... when the question was as simple as an alternative way of running orals with injects??

Wow

 

[[9oNe6]BillyD@kid]

Did i miss something here? I've been a big fan of Dylan's videos on youtube for over a year now and I have made a decision to try and make the most out of what I have to work with and now i ask for some guidance and I'm being shit on for doing so?

Wow, that's not fair or even close to being right

I have some illogical goals, maybe, but everything i've seen on this forum even before joining was that you would at least help and guide someone through what they're facing.... not shit on them for having chosen to buy Dbol or whatever the case may be. To ask a question and search for guidance from people that you've read their inputs and have respected them and their opinions only to be put into a simplistic solution "he's an idiot and doesn't know wtf to do" type category... when the question was as simple as an alternative way of running orals with injects??

Wow

What u can't take some slack ? Bro chill out, u have to understand we see people hurt themselves on a daily so we have thick skin, but it's coming from a place of love and concern if not no one would have responded to you whatsoever. Just take it with a grain of salt, nobody is trying to hurt your feelings. Trust me the least of your concerns is tough love believe that

 

[EZ_E]

You asked if....as an endurance athlete....would d-bol and winny help.

You were told that there are better options (Post #10)

And you cry like a bitch claiming that we're "shitting on you?"

Because you can't handle the answer to the question that was asked?

Get a set of fucking balls. You got your answer and no one gave you any shit about it.