Urgent Blood Work Interpretation Needed

[swisstuxedo25]

Hello Everyone,

I come to you in a state of desperation and confusion.

Sad that this has to be my first post on the forum but what better way to gain knowledge than by asking questions ( hopefully not stupid ones).

I am 27 years old.

Weight: 191.8 lbs
Height: 6ft 1 inches

Years Training: 7

History of Cycles : 3 Cycles.

I recently came back from a Trip In Peru where I took a psychadelic called Ayuhasaca, long story short, I had some realizations, one of which was how I've been fucking up my body with excessive alcohol consumption , smoking weed, taking steroids irresponsibly.

I came back to the United States on the 11th of September 2017. On the morning of the 12th of September I went ahead and got some blood work done.

My last cycle was about 8 weeks long and consisted of Anavar and Test Prop. My last shot of test e was 1cc on The 1rst of September.

After Getting my blood work done on the 12th of September I decided to hop on a PCT to start recovering from my last cycle.
I began the following PCT as outlined below:

1- Nolvadex : 40mg/day Week 1 ; 40mg/day Week 2; 20mg/day Week 3; 20mg/Day Week 4
2- Clomid : 60mg/day Wekk 1; 40mg/day Week 2; 25mg/day Week 3; 20mg/Day Week4
3- GW501516: 20mg/day Week 1 -4
4- MK-2866: 25mg/day Week 1-4

There are two blood works attached to this post. The first one is from Septembe 12th and the second one is from October 12th, exactly 1 month later, after My PCT.

I feel like a complete idiot because when I got my Labwork in September, My Estrogen Levels were less than 5.

So I decided against taking an AI during my PCT..... BIG MISTAKE..... 1 month later, my estrogen levels is 100.

Hoping that someone will take the time to read this and take a look at my lab reports ,

I would like to know what I should do.

I have Aromasin, HCG, Nolvadex & Clomid on Hand.

What dosage of Aromasin should I take to successfully Lower my Estrogen without crushing it ?

Also, I feel like absolute shit. No Sex Drive, Bad Sleep, Feeling tired, No motivation to do stuff, Depressed, Mood Swings. Could all this be due to My High E ?

I would appreciate any input/help related to my blood work and questions.

Thanks Again.

 

[jmmdm2]

One question I have is about the estrogen test... the ref range doesn't look right but I'm assuming the value returned does not differ regardless of the ref range. Looks like a female ref range or is that even the correct test? I'm used to privatemdlabs where the test states "estradiol" rather than "estrogen". We're all looking for E2 specifically, right? Where is the Sept blood work? I only saw Oct. Was the Sept test also Estrogen and not estradiol? I'd be sure of your value before starting aromasin... I crushed my E2 in PCT and felt like shit. What really sucks is that high and low E2 have similar symptoms. Usually blood work sorts this out easily but I'm unsure with your second test.

Sorry I can't help you more but at least your thread is back at the top for others to see, I know it sucks when you're waiting for an answer. People here will help you (I know you're ready to be called out on 7 cycles by age 27 but you already made a positive change so you are fixing shit).

 

[swisstuxedo25]

I got a response - Holy Fuck.

The ref range does look odd. Don't know why having Estrogen as high as 190 pg/mL would be considered in range.

I tried uploading the September Blood work but the file was too large. I'm going to take a picture of it and upload it on here.

Just the fact that you're responding is extremely helpful. I am frustrated because I have been struggling with Low T Levels most of my Life.

When I've been on cycle I've had levels as high up as 1000 ng/dL and about a month later , when I'm off my levels drop down to 154 ng/dL.

Trying to find out if I am primary or secondary hypo would probably help.

Shit - I just realized you're right ! In September I got my E2 Estradiol Levels checked and in October it was Estrogen not E2 !!!!!



I also want to add that I took 1000 Iu of HCG before bed last night - The difference in the way I feel this morning is absolutely astonishing. I slept really well, My mood has been great so far, Managed to have sex with the GF and I feel great.

Could this potentially mean that I am secondary Hypo ? I can't of the last time I've felt this good !

 

[ironlifter36]

Nothing like taking a psychedelic to help put ones life in prospective.

 

[playtowin123]

I am sure Dylan or Rick or someone can help mate.

Hope you sort it.

 

[swisstuxedo25]

Nothing like taking a psychedelic to help put ones life in prospective.

Couldn't agree more

 

[swisstuxedo25]

I am sure Dylan or Rick or someone can help mate.

Hope you sort it.

I'm hoping one of the two will give me their input at some point ! Fingers crossed

 

[DylanGemelli]

im out of town visiting family and im sorry i have some sort of a life and am not available at everyones beckon call 365 days a year, 24 hours a day yet im STILL working on a trip when i should be with my family... this is what happens when you dont control estrogen in pct and thats why aromasin is used, to prevent rebound, which clearly occurred... i would run aromasin 25 MG PER DAY for 7 days, then drop it to 12.5 mg eod for 10 days then scale back to every other day until you have completed roughly 4-5 weeks, then retest...

 

[RickRock]

This should be common sense on where to proceed from here and why you had problems in the first place, but basically I'd run aromasin at 12.5mg EOD for a couple weeks minimum and retest.

I wouldn't personally go higher than that if you aren't taking anything to aromatize more. You will crush it quickly and completely miss the normal range you need to be in, and things would get even worse from low estrogen. At 190 estrogen levels you'll probably be under 50 within a week

 

[swisstuxedo25]

im out of town visiting family and im sorry i have some sort of a life and am not available at everyones beckon call 365 days a year, 24 hours a day yet im STILL working on a trip when i should be with my family... this is what happens when you dont control estrogen in pct and thats why aromasin is used, to prevent rebound, which clearly occurred... i would run aromasin 25 MG PER DAY for 7 days, then drop it to 12.5 mg eod for 10 days then scale back to every other day until you have completed roughly 4-5 weeks, then retest...

Hey Dylan,

Not calling you out in any sort of way - Watching a dozen + of your videos on Youtube is what got me on this forum. Nothing but Gratitude for the amount of information you provide. Really Awesome Bro.

I freaked out for no reason -


I got my Estrogen Levels Tested instead of my E2 Levels Checked, so I got myself confused for no reason.

Regardless , I would like to know you thoughts on taking HCG long term.

I finished my PCT w/Nolvadex, Clomid, MK-2866, GW-50516 Like you recommend , but still have symptoms of low T ( tired, no sex drive, depressed, bad sleep, etc...)

I took 1000 iu of HCG before bed last night and I feel like whole body light up like a Christmas Tree. I havent felt this awesome since I was on cycle. Better mood, better sleep, more energy, sex drive coming back.

Is it safe/ ok for me to take HCG long term ? Maybe 250iu or 500iu EOD ? This might mean I am secondary Hypo .. ?

Would be great to get your input on this.

Enjoy the time with the fam.

Thanks again.

 

[DylanGemelli]

hcg is literally the worst thing you could ever do... it is MIMICKING lh and fsh... i would NEVER recommend this... ITS SUPPRESSIVE... it will make things far worse AND it will jack up your estrogen even more... it will literally fuck your world upside down... DO NOT use this bro... not at all... it will only make things far far far worse for you

 

[RickRock]

You don't ever want to use hcg off cycle bro. It mimics LH and can be counterproductive to you and basically shut you down

 

[jmmdm2]

I can understand your desire to feel better but you gotta let your body rest and see where you are in a few months. Believe me, I'm right there too... I'd love to go home and pin 125mg of test right now but I've only been off PCT for a couple weeks. How long have you been off PCT... it wasn't clear or I'm just dense. I know I crashed my E2 based on recent blood work. Waiting is killing me but I'm 42 and I may have fucked myself by staying on cycle too long which means another PCT or TRT but all I have to look forward to is death. At 27 you still have a shot to recover despite your low T. I'm assuming you are referring to a low T condition PRIOR to any cycles? Would another 4 week PCT work in this case?

 

[swisstuxedo25]

hcg is literally the worst thing you could ever do... it is MIMICKING lh and fsh... i would NEVER recommend this... ITS SUPPRESSIVE... it will make things far worse AND it will jack up your estrogen even more... it will literally fuck your world upside down... DO NOT use this bro... not at all... it will only make things far far far worse for you

Ok noted.

It's really frustrating, getting on a cycle, feeling awesome, building muscle mass and feeling like shit when you are off.

My blood work for the past 6 months shows that I consistently have had levels of Total T under 450. The only time My T levels were above 800 was on cycle.

That's the price I have to pay for messing with my hormones at 22.

I am seriously considering HRT or HCG Monotherapy in the long run if my levels stay the same.

The one thing I cannot stand is that feeling of low energy, low motivation, low sex drive. I feel like I'm an 85 year old man living the last months of his life.

Any thoughts on what I can do to get those T levels back up and feel normal again ? How about Proviron ?

 

[RickRock]

450 May not be where you want your test levels but that's well within normal range bro.

If you'd like to boost them up if run some Clomid and nolva and maybe add some of the new Post CT from Dga nutrition