Statins in PCT
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Cycles generally crash HDL (good cholesterol) which come back on their own or can be enhanced with a product like Gw50156. Most statins target LDLs (bad cholesterol) and there is very little change in those from AAS or SARMs. Certain statins such as Crestor will simultaneously raise HDL and lower LDL, but the effects take about 2 months to kick in - longer than a PCT. also, with any statin - your values will go back to where you started as soon as you stop.
Bottom line is its not worth considering.
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Horrible idea. Statins lower testosterone because it wipes out cholesterol which testosterone is made from.
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JackSteel
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You sure that's true? I've read statins do not discriminate between HDL and LDL.
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They sure do brother. Here's how it works. There is a formula to calculate total cholesterol which is based off of HDL, LDL and triglycerides. Heart disease is LDL and triglyceride driven - meaning that a reduction in these values has a definite reduction in heart disease. Any LDL value over 100 is bad - no matter how high the good cholesterol is. Same for triglycerides even though the actual norm is 130 and 150 respectively. Preventive cardiologists will tell you they need to be < 100. What usually happens with people with high cholesterol (say 300) is that LDLs and Triglycerides are way up but HDL is typically low or low normal. The statins specifically target the LDL to lower it while also raising HDL (depending on the statin). You can read online or from the drug literature exactly how much they will reduce LDL based on the dose (typically 40-70%). FYI - From personal experience with Lipitor -
My pre drug levels were 225 total, HDL 70
LDL 125 and Tris 100. 20mg 3x per week (all I can handle to avoid muscle cramps) is total 185, HDL 90, LDL 80 and tris 55.
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JackSteel
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Interesting thanks. So you've never had issues with testosterone levels while on them?
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I would say "no" - but here's the details so you can judge for yourself. My T levels were in a steady decline from early 40s from about 585 to bottoming out at 425 two years ago. The decline was present before I started taking the statins and certainly continued while on them. Recently however – my total T was up to 660 (I was 48 at the time) while also taking a higher Statin dose – however I spaced it out every other day and added Vitamin E.
There have been anecdotes reports of statins lowering total T and decreasing libido – but the other side of the equation is that many of the people taking statins are somewhat older – in their 40s and 50s – when these things start to naturally to decline.
I can tell you that on occasions when I forget to take my statins – such as if I went on vacation – I definitely have noticeably more energy and stamina by the end of the week.
To date – I have not noticed any performance decrease or lack of gains while on them. I personally feel the the benefits outweigh the risks especially if there is a family history of cardiovascular disease.
I've poured over the research on discussed it with a cardiovascular friend of mine – who is also an experienced lifter. Here's how he put it – which made up my mind: "you can take a little bit now – and push back heart disease till you're in your 70s or 80s – or don't take anything and may have a cardiac event in your 50s and 60s – and then will have to take massive amounts of it".
Mind you – this was with a lipid profile where most doctors would not have even thought of putting me on a Statin – but he's closer to the research and has seen thousands of patients for this. According to him LDL over 100 = early heart disease.
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I don't think that's a good idea at all. Something that I would recommend however, which should be included in every pct, is using GW from www.sarmsx.com
It has a positive effect on improving cholesterol significantly, while lowering cortisol to help prevent muscle wastage and catabolism
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