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Second cycle almost complete(advice needed)

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Dirtydaddyfitness

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Hello i ve been researching what should my second cycle consist of and how to do everything properly. I have watched 90% of isarms and dylan gemelli videos on youtube. Read tons of articles and forums and so on. To me Dylan seems to be the guy for advice.
I had few options with boldenone, deca and npp with test, in my head.
I have made my mind up and i will go with
Test e + deca+tbol. 14 week clean bulk cycle.

Im doing first bloods 1 to 2 weeks before cycle

Week 1 test e/deca 350/350 w + tbol 60/day +Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 2 test e/deca 350/350 w+ tbol 60/day +Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 3 test e/deca 350/350 w+ tbol 60/day +Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 4 test e/deca 350/350 w+ tbol 60/day +Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 5 test e/deca 350/350 w+ tbol 60/day +Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 6 test e/deca 350/350 w+ tbol 60/day +Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 7 test e/deca 350/350 w+ Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d Mid cycle bloods?( mabey i need more Aromasin or caber)
Week 8 test e/deca 350/350 w+ Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 9 test e/deca 350/350 w+ Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 10 test e/deca 350/350 w+Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 11 test e/deca 350/350 w+ Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 12 test e/deca 350/350 w+ Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d
Week 13 test e/deca 350/350 w+ Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d+ Post CT
Week 14 test e/deca 350/350 w+Aromasin 12.5 +Caber 0.25 e3d+ Post CT
Week 15 Aromasin 12.5 + POST CT (esters clearing)
Week 16 Aromasin 12.5 + POST CT (esters clearing)
Week 17 GW501516 / ostarine/nolva 40 /clomid 50 /Aromasin 12.5
Week 18 GW501516 / ostarine/nolva 40 /clomid 50 /Aromasin 12.5
Week 19 GW501516 / ostarine/nolva 20 /clomid 25 /Aromasin 12.5
Week 20 GW501516 / ostarine/nolva 20 /clomid 25 /Aromasin 12.5
Week 21 GW501516 /nolva 20/clomid 25
Week 22 GW501516 /nolva 20 /clomid 25
Week 23 GW501516
Week 24 GW501516

So thats the layout . I think i got it right, if something is wrong please tell me.
My questions:

1. i know deca durabolin is long ester. so is waiting 14 DAYS ESTERS TO CLEAR enough or not?

2. When is good time in this cycle to take mid cycle bloods and when do i take them after? week 25? or wait more?

My cycle history

test e only 12 weeks nolva only pct 40402020
Gained alot and lost alot. till stronger and bit bigger than before, but not as much as i would have liked.
PCT ended November 1 2017
starting new cycle May 1 2018


Im really trying to put money and time and effort here to do this right. Hopes are big :) what do you think?
 
Right now

182 cm

90 kg

13-14% bf.

Im gona be on caloriec deficit for another 7-8 weeks 6 days a week /
1 cheat day. Mabey get down to 84-85 kg
 
lets make this FAR simpler than what you wrote here man...

1-14 test e 350 mg week
1-14 deca 350 mg week
1-16 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
1-14 caber .25 mg e3d
1-6 tbol 60 mg day
1-6 dga organ st https://www.dganutrition.com/product/organ-st/
13-16 dga post ct https://www.dganutrition.com/product/post-ct/

pct 17-22

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.





clomid 50/50/50/25//25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day
 
Hey, but what do you think about people talking that deca durabolin is so long ester and very hard to recover from? i see 1 side people saying its on of the best compounds and recovering well and some say its so hard to recover from and basically starting pct 14-16 days after last pin is way too early , cause you have high amount of test in your system long after.
I wanna know what you think about that guys?

And second, wich is good time in a day to take cycle support and orals ?
Thanks :)
 
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run it however you want dude... i think after all this time i grasp how to run pct after deca as well as how difficult it is to recover... thats all mythically broscience bull shit... deca carries some of the biggest bro science shit ive ever seen... the people that have trouble with it are the ones that run it too high and dont use anything for protection from prolactin and dont control estrogen on the other side with test... if you run it right its one of the best steroids out there... its morons that cause the nonsense you just discussed
 
Thanks for quick answer,

You know, im just so skeptic with everything, cause i did my first cycle pct nolva only did not use any AI on PCT, and it was the worst thing to do i think ,now i know im estro sensitive also. i have naturally 130 or higher wheres the normal limit is under 146. month after pct ended it was 196 . I did not kept much of gains due to that i think. my diet was ok but , could not train as much and .. few months later i was really fatty... started cut after estro was inside normal range and now im seeing i mabey kept 2-5 pounds of muscle from this cycle wich is really nothing compared what i could have kept. I really hope that Aromasin is the key thing for me as well as Post ct, nolva and clomid together with sarms make my recovery smooth so i can keep most of my gains.

But yeah , just for fun i post here the video guy talking that deca is so hard to recover for some beginners this guy may seem like oh he knows something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Wqc9VCPBM

But in reality ....
 
please dont post things that painful again... for fucks sake, he ran deca and test on a first cycle.. .complete fucking fool...
 
Hey Dylan, i know for sure Aromasin is better option allways. As i said im plannind Tbol+Test+Deca 16 week cycle(changed it cause many say 16 is sweet spot)
But.... i have almost everything on hand right now, some things are on the way and some are not ordered yet, but ther is good possibility i do not get AROMASIN despite the fact i tried to get it in 3 different places. Can this cycle run with arimidex succesfully and do i use arimidex also to the end of pct?

Thanks in advance
 
allright , i think i have to do that. I ll do that, and also i do post here my bloods before mid and post , hope you can assist if everything is normal. I would be thankful.
 
I came up one more question. For Recomp/clean bulk is this good plan:

i need to eat aprox. 2600 kcal to maintain. I am planning to eat 2800 at first 5 weeks mabey up it 3100 weeks 6-12 and then cut it back to 2500 in the last 4 weeks. is it good idea? Im open to any suggestions. Im looking to put on 4 kilos of muscle and mabey cut a bit fat. is it possible?
 
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