PCT/Cycle Advice

[pajork]

In advance, I'm looking for educated advice here, not insults, as I am new to AAS.

I just finished competing 4 weeks ago. During contest prep, I ran Tren, Anavar, Winstrol, and clen (per guidance of my trainer). I'm just getting ready to start PCT, however, he wants me to compete in the State Championships in June, and encourages me to go back on cycle. Blood work just came back, and my testosterone is 159. If I went right back on cycle and ran PCT afterward, would I be alright?

I was shocked to see test that low, because I feel great. Motivation is high, feel plenty aggressive, haven't really lost anything in strength, and put 20 lbs back on right after competing. The only thing I notice is my libido is down, but I thought that was because I'm not interested in the girls I've been talking to lately. I'm trying to go pro guys... Looking for genuine advice.

Thanks.

 

[DylanGemelli]

you are going to learn a severe lesson... i hope you know your trainer just fucked you in a major way... you ran tren, anavar and winstrol with no test??? i am more than sure your levels aside from your test levels are fucked.. liver, kidneys etc... and you want to go back on cycle again? and you ran clen on top of it? bro, i just want you to know something, dont count on having kids and dont count on being able to perform whatsoever with a woman for good... not just for the time being, but for good... im not kidding, not exaggerating etc... your trainer just fucked you in a major way and its only going to get worse... no insults, pure facts... how old are you? so going pro, to make no money and no living, but to say your a pro is worth this? wow, im not sure where people's heads are but to each their own

 

[pajork]

Dylan, I came here for your knowledge. I'm aware mistakes were made. I'm aware I was misled, after the matter. So guide me rather than lecture, please.

Why do you think I'll never be able to have kids? What should I do from here going forward? Run PCT? I came here for your help, specifically, Dylan.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Dylan, I came here for your knowledge. I'm aware mistakes were made. I'm aware I was misled, after the matter. So guide me rather than lecture, please.

Why do you think I'll never be able to have kids? What should I do from here going forward? Run PCT? I came here for your help, specifically, Dylan.

So you would rather you not know exactly what you did wrong and what the consequences will be? Im sorry but if thats what you want then im mot your guy... of course ill help you but dont tell me what to do... where in there was a lecture??? Im not going to sit here and hold your hand because you fucked up... i point out mistakes so not only you but everyone reading can understand the problem and then we fix it but if you want coddled im the wrong guy

 

[pajork]

Well, you haven't told me exactly what I did wrong. You've only told me my consequences. I've also asked twice so far, what should I do from here?

 

[jp1957]

You have to understand Dylan and Rick deal with this kind of stupidity on a daily basis. Its tough not to get jaded. Hell, I'm getting jaded, and I dont even have to deal with it all.
Just read it daily over and over and over again.

The story is always the same.

My buddy, trainer, coach, told me to run some really fucked up cycle, but I didnt know better.
Bad shit happens.
They run here for advice on what to do, problem is, some bells cant be unrung.
We give advice, often ignored.


You need to post your bloods asap, so can figure out how bad you are. So far we only see the shutdown, but given your cycle, your liver is most likely in poor shape as well..

So please post your bloods and we'll go from there.

 

[pajork]

I can relate. I'm a paramedic in a heavily populated city. I constantly get calls for "chest pain" or "difficulty breathing" and majority of the time, it's nothing. It is frustrating. But, sometimes, I end up saving someone's life...

I trusted my trainer because he's competed in the Olympia several times. Nonetheless, I'm fully awareness I made mistakes.

Test: 159
Estrogen: 124
AST: 46
ALT: 85

I'm going back for a full panel this week.

 

[jp1957]

your test is pretty much at about shutdown, your estrogen is quite high, but depends on the person. I had estrogen of 46,and I was curled up in a ball for a week. Dylan had around same as yours and was fine.

ASt and ALT are high as well. Not super but high.

Hopefully Dylan or Rick will chime in soon, as how to treat these isnt my area. Although you'll need aromasin 12.5 probably every day for 7-10 days, then 3 weeks every other day to get that estrogen knocked down.

Get a full PCT (weeks)
Clomid (50/50/25/25)
Nolva (40/40/20/20)
GW 20mg daily.

As for the alt/ast, someone else will have to chime in, I dont recall the liver support products.

Also get some DAA(chewable stuff frm hardsupplements I believe)


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[DylanGemelli]

I can relate. I'm a paramedic in a heavily populated city. I constantly get calls for "chest pain" or "difficulty breathing" and majority of the time, it's nothing. It is frustrating. But, sometimes, I end up saving someone's life...

I trusted my trainer because he's competed in the Olympia several times. Nonetheless, I'm fully awareness I made mistakes.

Test: 159
Estrogen: 124
AST: 46
ALT: 85

I'm going back for a full panel this week.

trust me bro, im not trying to beat you up or anything like that... i have an obligation to not only let you know but others to know how fucked up things are... NOW, lets address your problems..

1. your trainer is a piece of shit fucker... NO LIE... to have you run that type of cycle... tren with no test? i know you didn't know any better and IM NOT giving you a hard time but for him to tell you to do that alone indicates he is fucking clueless

2. i GUARANTEE you that your prolactin is a disaster and that threw off your estrogen... i already know you didnt use aromasin for estrogen or caber for prolactin right? when you prolactin is elevated, you cant do anything in terms of libido especially... its hell on earth and a horrible feeling, which you are clearly enduring and its only going to get worse...

3. i DID get pissed off when you asked about getting right on another and this is the one thing i have to get at you about... how can you even think something like that when you already know your messed up from that cycle? to me, thats flat ass reckless and i cannot grasp how you would ever think of something like that... NO, you would not be okay to jump on cycle and run pct... you never even ran a pct on your first cycle.. you have NO recovery and because you didnt run test and YOU RAN TREN with no pct, your in trouble...

4. your trainer/coach is a fucking prick

5. did i say your trainer was a prick? so here's the deal bro... first, i need to see a full panel because my guess is there will be kidney trouble amongst other things... my guess is you ran orals without protection too right? look how elevated your alt is... thats abuse to the liver... you need to get TUDCA ASAP along with milk thistle but i need to see the FULL panel to address everything... there's no sense in guessing because guesswork makes things worse...


IMPORTANT BRO... YOU MUST request a prolactin test... are you getting it from your doctor or ordering from privatemdlabs???

 

[RickRock]

The thing to realize here, is that your trainer is not going to look out for YOU or your best interests at all. He's only out to get you to compete and win as much as possible to make him look good. He cares about himself. I've seen that a million times with a lot of these coaches and trainers. It's hard to find an actual good coach that gives good advice while looking out for your safety and health. Since you are JUST NOW starting pct, you need to follow through with it and recover.....then give yourself e ough time off which should be equivalent to the amount of time you were on.

Going back on too early compromises your ability to maintain natural levels and also is very detrimental to your health because you never allow your body to remain at homeostasis for any reasonable length of time.

I get so sick of hearing people say "but I want to go pro", as if that is some type of validation to do dumb reckless shit and fuck yourself up.

You need to always keep your health and safety first priority and never compromise it


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[DylanGemelli]

the problem is that people have put out this aura like going pro is some big deal? i mean, its definitely an achievement yes but how many people actually make a living off of it and think about all it takes to have a pro card... i dont know, i guess ruing your life over it makes no sense whatsoever but to each their own

 

[buen]

The thing to realize here, is that your trainer is not going to look out for YOU or your best interests at all. He's only out to get you to compete and win as much as possible to make him look good. He cares about himself. I've seen that a million times with a lot of these coaches and trainers. It's hard to find an actual good coach that gives good advice while looking out for your safety and health. Since you are JUST NOW starting pct, you need to follow through with it and recover.....then give yourself e ough time off which should be equivalent to the amount of time you were on.

Going back on too early compromises your ability to maintain natural levels and also is very detrimental to your health because you never allow your body to remain at homeostasis for any reasonable length of time.

I get so sick of hearing people say "but I want to go pro", as if that is some type of validation to do dumb reckless shit and fuck yourself up.

You need to always keep your health and safety first priority and never compromise it


(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

Well said Rick....

I will NEVER understand the mentality of abdicating your responsibility to understand what you are putting in your body
Seriously... can you read...can you do research the on compounds and protocols proposed by your advisors...can you get a second opinion ....it's your life... your health...blindly following something without any understanding is lazy and irresponsible