Sarms for PCT

[Gunk]

Age: 38
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 190 lbs
Body fat % 11-14
Years of training: 3
Complete cycle history (compounds, doses, lengths of time, when they were run): Salbutamol

PCT for each cycle: NA
Goals: Chest growth (it's my lagging body part), and to stay at 9-11% body fat year round.

Supplements (if any): Creatine, Fish oil, multivitamin, Citruline Malate, Whey, Caffeine, Chondritin, Glucosamine, Leucine, Boron, Ashwagandah, Longjack, Digestive Enzymes, Probiotics, Vitamin C, B- Complex, Vitamin D, Magnesium, .6 mg/day of Finasteride to combat male pattern baldness, and 3mg of Aromasin every 3rd day to keep E2 in low 20's.

General idea of nutrition (any food allergies???): no allergies

Any other relevant info (injuries, surgeries you've had, etc.) Shoulder surgery last year. They buzzed off 6mm of clavicle bone to free up space for impingement.

I suspect my metabolism is not running as hot as it should be. I have fT4 in the upper range with fT3 in the lower range with TSH of 3.5. It feels like my maintenance is just 2200 cal/day or even less as I don't drop fat unless I cut calories down to 1500-1700/day.

I'm looking to run my first cycle.
Test E at 500 mg/wk. for 7 weeks.
Test P at 500 mg/wk for 2 weeks.
HCG at 250 iu twice a week throughout.
Aromasin at 12mg every other day throughout.
Clomid at 50 mg/day starting on week 10 for 4 weeks.

I want to keep the PCT short, that is why only a 9 week cycle. The switch to Test P the last 2 weeks is so the PCT can start sooner due to shorter half life of Test P.

***My question is about keeping the gains that I get. Would adding a SARM to my PCT and then continuing it for a bit be recommended to keep gains? Are there downsides of using a SARM in PCT as far as wanting my natural test production to kick back in?

Any feedback on this proposed cycle, PCT, and/or SARM use is appreciated.

 

[DylanGemelli]

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…


here is the link to purchase the entire pct stack followed by the layout..

https://www.sarmsx.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=133


clomid 50/50/25/25
nolva 40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod
mk-2866 25 mg day
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[RickRock]

Age: 38
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 190 lbs
Body fat % 11-14
Years of training: 3
Complete cycle history (compounds, doses, lengths of time, when they were run): Salbutamol

PCT for each cycle: NA
Goals: Chest growth (it's my lagging body part), and to stay at 9-11% body fat year round.

Supplements (if any): Creatine, Fish oil, multivitamin, Citruline Malate, Whey, Caffeine, Chondritin, Glucosamine, Leucine, Boron, Ashwagandah, Longjack, Digestive Enzymes, Probiotics, Vitamin C, B- Complex, Vitamin D, Magnesium, .6 mg/day of Finasteride to combat male pattern baldness, and 3mg of Aromasin every 3rd day to keep E2 in low 20's.

General idea of nutrition (any food allergies???): no allergies

Any other relevant info (injuries, surgeries you've had, etc.) Shoulder surgery last year. They buzzed off 6mm of clavicle bone to free up space for impingement.

I suspect my metabolism is not running as hot as it should be. I have fT4 in the upper range with fT3 in the lower range with TSH of 3.5. It feels like my maintenance is just 2200 cal/day or even less as I don't drop fat unless I cut calories down to 1500-1700/day.

I'm looking to run my first cycle.
Test E at 500 mg/wk. for 7 weeks.
Test P at 500 mg/wk for 2 weeks.
HCG at 250 iu twice a week throughout.
Clomid at 50 mg/day starting on week 10 for 4 weeks.

I want to keep the PCT short, that is why only a 9 week cycle. The switch to Test P the last 2 weeks is so the PCT can start sooner due to shorter half life of Test P.

***My question is about keeping the gains that I get. Would adding a SARM to my PCT and then continuing it for a bit be recommended to keep gains? Are there downsides of using a SARM in PCT as far as wanting my natural test production to kick back in?

Any feedback on this proposed cycle, PCT, and/or SARM use is appreciated.

Hey bro, it doesn't make sense to run test e for 7 weeks with 2 weeks of prop. That makes no sense at all. Long esters need to be ran a minimum of 10-12 weeks, and for your first cycle you shouldn't even mess with test prop. Just go with Test E for 12 weeks, and you first time about 350mg is all you need

1-12 Test e 350mg per week
1-12 Aromasin 12.5,g EOD

PCT

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED




(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

 

[Gunk]

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…

Thanks for input. I will definitely look into your recommendation.

 

[Gunk]

Hey bro, it doesn't make sense to run test e for 7 weeks with 2 weeks of prop. That makes no sense at all. Long esters need to be ran a minimum of 10-12 weeks, and for your first cycle you shouldn't even mess with test prop. Just go with Test E for 12 weeks, and you first time about 350mg is all you need

1-12 Test e 350mg per week
1-12 Aromasin 12.5,g EOD

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Thanks for input.

Please forgive me for noob questions, but do you mind explaining the problem with finishing the cycle with Test P? My understanding is that I would wait about 3 weeks after last pin of Test E before starting PCT when doing Test E only cycle. Since Test P is out of your system sooner, PCT could be started sooner. Please correct my thinking where I'm off. I just liked the idea of getting the PCT started as soon as possible so as to not drag this thing out any longer than necessary.

Also, I was advised by other 'vets' that 500 mg/wk is good for starters. I'm not discounting your advice but just wondering about the reasons behind it. Isn't a typical TRT dose of test around the area of 200-300/wk?

Again, no disrespect. I'm just trying to understand your suggestion. Thanks alot for the feedback.

 

[Joe S.]

125 -150 is the recommended trt dosage per week I have seen listed the most. I'm sure it can vary depending on each individual.

 

[DylanGemelli]

Thanks for input. I will definitely look into your recommendation.

no problem bro... listen, you CAN start with 500 but thats a generalized broscience comment that you HAVE to... i dont have any issue with it but we do things on the safer side here and just a bit more conservative to ensure you are easing into things properly, testing the waters without jumping in too quickly.. you never want to start too high because then its too late but if your a little low, you can always increase with no detriment to you... so thats up to you... if 350 was not effective, it would not be recommended but either way, its your call on that one...

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for input.

Please forgive me for noob questions, but do you mind explaining the problem with finishing the cycle with Test P? My understanding is that I would wait about 3 weeks after last pin of Test E before starting PCT when doing Test E only cycle. Since Test P is out of your system sooner, PCT could be started sooner. Please correct my thinking where I'm off. I just liked the idea of getting the PCT started as soon as possible so as to not drag this thing out any longer than necessary.

Also, I was advised by other 'vets' that 500 mg/wk is good for starters. I'm not discounting your advice but just wondering about the reasons behind it. Isn't a typical TRT dose of test around the area of 200-300/wk?

Again, no disrespect. I'm just trying to understand your suggestion. Thanks alot for the feedback.

With test E, you wait for esters to clear your system for two weeks before starting pct. During this time test is still active so you cant start recovery. Even when you start pct, some of the test e will still taper off up to 4 weeks, but you can bring your natural levels up in conjunction with those tapering off making a smoother recovery.

Adding in test P at the end does nothing more than give you a different ester test while test e clears out. Instead of a slow tapering off of test over a few,weeks, you will get a much more dramatic drop in leveks from high to completely shutdown which can result in a more crashed and down feeling while trying to recover in pct.

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[Gunk]

With test E, you wait for esters to clear your system for two weeks before starting pct. During this time test is still active so you cant start recovery. Even when you start pct, some of the test e will still taper off up to 4 weeks, but you can bring your natural levels up in conjunction with those tapering off making a smoother recovery.

Adding in test P at the end does nothing more than give you a different ester test while test e clears out. Instead of a slow tapering off of test over a few,weeks, you will get a much more dramatic drop in leveks from high to completely shutdown which can result in a more crashed and down feeling while trying to recover in pct.

Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense to me.

I got the idea for this cycle from a Bill Roberts post.

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/perfect-8-week-testosterone-based-steroid-cycle/

 

[Gunk]

Hey bro, it doesn't make sense to run test e for 7 weeks with 2 weeks of prop. That makes no sense at all. Long esters need to be ran a minimum of 10-12 weeks, and for your first cycle you shouldn't even mess with test prop. Just go with Test E for 12 weeks, and you first time about 350mg is all you need

1-12 Test e 350mg per week
1-12 Aromasin 12.5,g EOD

PCT

https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/platinum-pct-stack

Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD
MK-2866 25mg ED
GW 20mg ED

So with the example you give here, the Test E ends at week 12. Does PCT start at beginning of week 15? And weeks 13 and 14 you take nothing?

Thanks.

 

[DylanGemelli]

So with the example you give here, the Test E ends at week 12. Does PCT start at beginning of week 15? And weeks 13 and 14 you take nothing?

Thanks.

during weeks 11-14 you take hcg at 1000 ius week... pct is ran weeks 15-18

 

[Gunk]

during weeks 11-14 you take hcg at 1000 ius week... pct is ran weeks 15-18

I'm about to buy the Ostarine and Cardarine for my PCT from SarmsX. Thanks for the helpful advice.

Was wondering if it matters when I go into a caloric deficit to cut some of this fat I picked up on this cycle. Does it hurt anything for me to start cutting during PCT? Does being in a caloric deficit have any affect on my natural test production getting fired up again?

I've gone from about 190 to 215 so far.

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[DylanGemelli]

I'm about to buy the Ostarine and Cardarine for my PCT from SarmsX. Thanks for the helpful advice.

Was wondering if it matters when I go into a caloric deficit to cut some of this fat I picked up on this cycle. Does it hurt anything for me to start cutting during PCT? Does being in a caloric deficit have any affect on my natural test production getting fired up again?

I've gone from about 190 to 215 so far.

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you never cut i pct.. ever... thats a great way to lose gains... you wait until the cycle is over and you have started to recover... you are already coming off a cycle and everything is clearing from your body... you need to wait until after pct for that

 

[Gunk]

you never cut i pct.. ever... thats a great way to lose gains... you wait until the cycle is over and you have started to recover... you are already coming off a cycle and everything is clearing from your body... you need to wait until after pct for that

Thanks bro

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[DylanGemelli]

Thanks bro

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anytime bro

 

[Gunk]

So, to continue this thought...

If I started my caloric deficit after PCT was completed, would it make sense to just stay on the Cardarine for another month to help with the fat loss and muscle retention?

 

[DylanGemelli]

So, to continue this thought...

If I started my caloric deficit after PCT was completed, would it make sense to just stay on the Cardarine for another month to help with the fat loss and muscle retention?

yes it would

 

[Gunk]

Is the dosage for Hcg in my situation 1,000 iu once weekly or 500 iu twice weekly or does it matter,

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[RickRock]

Is the dosage for Hcg in my situation 1,000 iu once weekly or 500 iu twice weekly or does it matter,

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You want to split that and run 500iu twice per week

 

[Gunk]

Thanks

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