Help with 2nd cycle

[JLR3121]

Hi everyone,
Here's my stats to start with,
44 years old 6'1 220# and about 18% bf
Been working out for about 5 years... Started at 275# and got down to 200# but got pretty weak with all the dieting... Really wanted to gain some muscle so a buddy got me some gear
My first cycle consisted of
Test prop 100 mg on M, T and F for 8 weeks
T-Bol 50mg every day for 6 weeks
Arimedex .5 mg every other day
But towards the end of the eight weeks I stopped the tren because i got symptoms of gyno, lumps around the nipples and a really puffy look overall
Did four weeks pct of nolvadex 30 mg every day
Now my question is what's the best way to run a 2nd cycle and avoid gyno and the puffy look
Any help would be great
Thanks

 

[44YOGearHead]

Lets break this down item by item broham...
1. 18% bf technically is too high and an invitation for water retention and estrogen issues. You seriously need to drop at least 3-4% minimum to be within manageable ranges of bf.
2. Your buddy apparently knew jack shit and what happened was the result.
3. Your first cycle should have been test cyp alone, with aromasin dosed at 12.5mg eod as a baseline that could be adjusted based upon estrogen control needs.
4. Arimidex sucks in comparison to aromasin, if you knew the difference between the two you'd have chosen Aromasin. Learn what you're taking versus just taking stuff.
5. Tren? Really dude? Strongest re-partitioning compound out and you take it without knowing it's dangers, or proper protective measures... that's why you got gyno and fat versus cut up... another issue of being too overweight bro. (and failing to control prolactin... you even know about prolactin?)
6. Your PCT sucked balls...another fine example of why knowing what to have and do in advance is important.
7. You want a suggestion on a 2nd cycle to avoid gyno and the 'puffy look' aka water retention caused by failing to control estrogen and prolactin from 1. not having your support items and PCT in place prior, 2. having too much bf and 3. not knowing a damn thing.

Here's my cycle suggestion: Caloric deficit diet (-500 calories daily), increased cardio, SARMSX 12 week Cut Stack ( https://www.sarmsx.com/stacks/cut-stack-12-weeks-2 ), NO AAS, read up on what the hell you're doing and educate yourself on AAS before you run another piss poor cycle, with all the mistakes you made noone will feel comfortable recommending a cycle to you man. You're 44yo, you should know nobody is gonna spoon feed you shit. Follow my advice, read up on your own- because your friend sucks ass- and when you come back have a proposed cycle with on cycle and post cycle support plan included for us to look at and help you with.

 

[JLR3121]

I tried reading up before I took but lesson learned... I looked up T-bol and it cam up as turinabol and supposedly one of the safest orals to take... I will definitely work on getting back to 14% bf before trying again and now that I found this forum will definitely read alot more and get educated first...
Thank you

 

[rayrich1129]

I tried reading up before I took but lesson learned... I looked up T-bol and it cam up as turinabol and supposedly one of the safest orals to take... I will definitely work on getting back to 14% bf before trying again and now that I found this forum will definitely read alot more and get educated first...
Thank you

You said t-bol at first but then you said tren they are definetly not the same. Tren is Trenbolene and is injectable and is for the body building elite.

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[PHURIOUS]

I tried reading up before I took but lesson learned... I looked up T-bol and it cam up as turinabol and supposedly one of the safest orals to take... I will definitely work on getting back to 14% bf before trying again and now that I found this forum will definitely read alot more and get educated first...
Thank you

The 18% really doesnt concern me as much as the other things 6 weeks of tbol is quite long.

In your list you didnt say how much tren you were taking but said u stopped taking it.

Tren doesnt make you look puffy or give you gyno. The testosterone does.

Arimidex is not a good product.

Adex only abates the symptoms of raised estrogen not lower. Hence the puffy look and nipple issues.

Aromasin is a suicide inhibitor which lowers eatrogen.

I would suggest you start over as if that first cycle never happened

1-12 test cyp 400mg a week split mon/thur 200mg each inject

1-12 aromasin 12.5mg every 3 days.

You can find the pct protocol to use here in the search section because i dont want to type it all out. Lol

Id like to see you around 16% before starting but 18% is neglable

 

[44YOGearHead]

I tried reading up before I took but lesson learned... I looked up T-bol and it cam up as turinabol and supposedly one of the safest orals to take... I will definitely work on getting back to 14% bf before trying again and now that I found this forum will definitely read alot more and get educated first...
Thank you

Thanks for being receptive. I apologize if I came off as a dick. It gets frustrating at times reading all these cycles that are gonna jack someone up and you said my trigger words ' a buddy got me some gear'... these friends do more harm than good. Welcome to the forum, get educated up and trim up a bit more and then lets get to muscling the fuck up lol. - The 44

 

[JLR3121]

Sorry.. I think my phone changed it to tren... I didn't take tren.. Only test prop and t-bol

 

[rayrich1129]

Thanks for being receptive. I apologize if I came off as a dick. It gets frustrating at times reading all these cycles that are gonna jack someone up and you said my trigger words ' a buddy got me some gear'... these friends do more harm than good. Welcome to the forum, get educated up and trim up a bit more and then lets get to muscling the fuck up lol. - The 44

There is that guy. There is the 44 we love

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[JLR3121]

It's ok... I get it... My friend didn't even tell me about pct... I found that out by myself

 

[JLR3121]

Thanks for the help... I really appreciate it

 

[rayrich1129]

It's ok... I get it... My friend didn't even tell me about pct... I found that out by myself

Well if you really want to do this you cane to the right llace to learn . Read the threads and ask educated questions and you will get a plethora of knowledge.

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[44YOGearHead]

There is that guy. There is the 44 we love

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Don't go acting like I have a heart dude. I am Dracula... well fuck it Blacula.

 

[rayrich1129]

Don't go acting like I have a heart dude. I am Dracula... well fuck it Blacula.

Hahaha fucking Blacula tear someones head off if they keep doing and asking these same things lol. I know i the threads before i typed anything. Lol. I wasnt trying to get the fury
Hahahaha

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[44YOGearHead]

all good my traps hurt... affecting my kinder gentler side lol...