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I really can't see one to be honest. It's just the game we play.

Unless like I probably said prior - one time I was pinning 500mg and came out not even high TRT numbers. Under 1000. I was pissed. That is blatantly under dosed.

Here's my 2c. I'm pretty conservative on the matter. I think most figures are grossly overstated anecdotally as 'typical'. Say 200mg TRT is high normal (or usually a little over), so call that 1,200 even.

Running 1ml 250mg a week should get you 1,500 on average. Therefore on 'cycle' running anything over that, I would call anything above 2,000 fair game personally. And if someone claims you can't build muscle on 2,000 or that running 300mg a week or whatever is 'a waste', then they have rocks in their head and sand in their vajin.

If I dealt/supplied, there would be no way in hell I'd be refunding someone who was over 2,000 on a cycle dose. Again, I'm conservative. The numbers I've seen over the years (collectively, not on me) even with pharma gear have been in the typical expected range of 3,000 - 4,400 running 500 - 750mg. Realistic doses. If you're over 3,500 running any decent dose there is absolutely zero fucking wrong with your gear. Zero. If you're not a monster at 3,500, cancel your gym membership because weight lifting isn't for you.

The guys I know - I'm talking real obsessive pro's going for the big world prize - have to run at least a gram or more to see anything past the 4,500 mark. And that's just retarded anyway. Who can even stand the blood pressure sides, etc? No-one.
 
I really can't see one to be honest. It's just the game we play.

Unless like I probably said prior - one time I was pinning 500mg and came out not even high TRT numbers. Under 1000. I was pissed. That is blatantly under dosed.

Here's my 2c. I'm pretty conservative on the matter. I think most figures are grossly overstated anecdotally as 'typical'. Say 200mg TRT is high normal (or usually a little over), so call that 1,200 even.

Running 1ml 250mg a week should get you 1,500 on average. Therefore on 'cycle' running anything over that, I would call anything above 2,000 fair game personally. And if someone claims you can't build muscle on 2,000 or that running 300mg a week or whatever is 'a waste', then they have rocks in their head and sand in their vajin.

If I dealt/supplied, there would be no way in hell I'd be refunding someone who was over 2,000 on a cycle dose. Again, I'm conservative. The numbers I've seen over the years (collectively, not on me) even with pharma gear have been in the typical expected range of 3,000 - 4,400 running 500 - 750mg. Realistic doses. If you're over 3,500 running any decent dose there is absolutely zero fucking wrong with your gear. Zero. If you're not a monster at 3,500, cancel your gym membership because weight lifting isn't for you.

The guys I know - I'm talking real obsessive pro's going for the big world prize - have to run at least a gram or more to see anything past the 4,500 mark. And that's just retarded anyway. Who can even stand the blood pressure sides, etc? No-one.

I agree with you totally. But then again there have times people even on here go crazy mad if its not 7-10 times and label labs scammers or bunk. Even a first time low test. Ive seen it on many sites even before ever started sourcing and was just a user.


PHURIOUS
 
I agree with you totally. But then again there have times people even on here go crazy mad if its not 7-10 times and label labs scammers or bunk. Even a first time low test. Ive seen it on many sites even before ever started sourcing and was just a user.


PHURIOUS

I've seen that too on many boards. Lots of sources get blasted if they don't hit that 7-10 range. Now I personally don't agree with bashing sources over 1 persons bloods ever because thats just ridiculous but you know how the internet is.. To be honest, I'm surprised with the feedback on this thread becuase if there is nothing to base an average on, how can anyone ever say if bloods are low or high or gear is underdosed or overdosed? Theres always going to be variances and special cases but I still stand with agreeing that having an average range like 6-10x is good to have for reference purposes for the normal user.

I look at it like estimated gas mileage with a car. You buy car "A" and it says estimated mpg is 18/25. You know that 18 to 25 is not set in stone but you should be somewhere near range. If you get 12mpg driving in mixed conditions, wouldnt you say thats low based on the estimate? Of course because that usually means something is wrong or needs attention. You shouldnt look at it and say "oh well, my cars unique so there should be no estimate in the first place". Otherwise what would be the point in concentrations or dosages when running gear if you have no reference point. Point is... of course not everyone pulls the same numbers at similar doses because yes, everyone is different and everyone responds differently but a reference value for the normal user is a "reference" value and should be treated as such and then reflected upon based on personal experience. Just my thoughts...

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I agree with you totally. But then again there have times people even on here go crazy mad if its not 7-10 times and label labs scammers or bunk. Even a first time low test. Ive seen it on many sites even before ever started sourcing and was just a user.


PHURIOUS

Yeah it just comes back on law of averages I guess (on results I mean). Because let's be honest. EVERY single one of us has had a bad oil at some point. It just happens. This shit isn't guaranteed. It's the risk we take. Vials could be filled with liquid arsenic for all we know. "How well do you really trust your dealer, and their reputation" is what we ask ourselves.

But then it comes back to law of averages, and ethics. If a bad batch pops up, and many people are clearly reporting VERY low tests, that's when an ethical dealer pops in and says "look I'm gonna replace these, seems we've had a bad batch".

One guy coming out and saying he was unhappy with his numbers even if they are decent but just not what he expected - I would happily call them out as ridiculous.

The car mileage one is a good comparable actually ^. Just because it CAN happen, doesn't mean it usually WILL happen.

The problem is so many people are caught up on what CAN happen, from things like that number basis, which is really not typical at all, at least IMO.
 
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