Mass building sarms?

[eman]

That goes along with what I had always heard that's why I bought from Olympus in the first place, maybe I'm not using a Hugh enough dose or my genetics dont work well with ostarine I can't say its bunk based on my results unless I get labs done

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What dose did you run? I ran their osta at 25mg ed for 8 weeks and made some nice lean gains whilst losing fat.

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[eman]

I have read good things about Olympus labs but guys on here swear by sarmsx, the only real way to know is to try both of them yourself and see what works best for you.

Yup best way to know is try them both. I will be trying out sarmsx osta to compare it to OL'S but honestly expecting the exact same results. Both are legit companies

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[RickRock]

Sorry but i have disagree man... please dont make assumptions about a company you know nothing about. I personally know and have talked to a few ex-reps who used to work for OL because i was skeptical about their "3rd party tested" claim and cheap prices... these guys currently work for a COMPETITOR company, yet they still confirmed that behind the scenes OL is one of the few supplement companies that is 100% legit and they do in fact do get their products tested for purity...

That alone tells you alot when someone who is working for a competitor can speak well about their previous company... it is a company that actually cares about the consumers more than the $$$ which is extremely rare. I have personally used several of their products from test boosters, ostarine, cycle support etc... and can say without a doubt they are definitely one of my few but favorite supplement companies.


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Bro, Im not making assumptions at all. This is strictly based on what countless others have said about their experiences, from all the severe shutdown and horrible side effects consistent with prohormone use. It's been very widespread. So of course people are getting results.....if they are taking toxic prohomones. I personally could care less if anybody uses them or not, but I will continue to make it known what I've been told. I've been on the boards for years and worked with many sarms companies, and I also know the things companies will tell their reps to get the, to believe things. I've been part of it myself before and left shady companies after the real truth was exposed. I get dozens of PMs every day, and I've had MANY come to me about problems with sarms. Complete shutdown, gyno, lethargy, loss of appetite, and other bad sides. When I've asked the source of the sarms Olympus is one that comes up often, along with many other sarms companies....pretty much the ones that use capsules, which we all know you cannot get the same delivery as liquids, which is another flag. It's actually illegal to sell sarms in capsule form and it's just a shady business practice in general

 

[eman]

Bro, Im not making assumptions at all. This is strictly based on what countless others have said about their experiences, from all the severe shutdown and horrible side effects consistent with prohormone use. It's been very widespread. So of course people are getting results.....if they are taking toxic prohomones. I personally could care less if anybody uses them or not, but I will continue to make it known what I've been told. I've been on the boards for years and worked with many sarms companies, and I also know the things companies will tell their reps to get the, to believe things. I've been part of it myself before and left shady companies after the real truth was exposed. I get dozens of PMs every day, and I've had MANY come to me about problems with sarms. Complete shutdown, gyno, lethargy, loss of appetite, and other bad sides. When I've asked the source of the sarms Olympus is one that comes up often, along with many other sarms companies....pretty much the ones that use capsules, which we all know you cannot get the same delivery as liquids, which is another flag. It's actually illegal to sell sarms in capsule form and it's just a shady business practice in general

Doesn't make sense to me bro I see nothing but positive feedback from people regarding olympus labs and believe me i was skeptical of them too... but the fact is sarms CAN cause similar sides to prohormones such as suppression and lethargy, especially Lgd. I can confirm this as my friend actually ran lgd from sarmsx back when they were named pure essence and his bloodwork showed his test had dropped significantly... not total shutdown like steroids but still people need to realize sarms aren't completely side effect free man. So people reporting side effects from sarms doesnt necessarily mean they are running prohormones. Sarms are indeed much safer than anabolics yes, however they still carry with them side effects and that is something everyone needs to understand clearly before expiramenting with them.



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[JackSteel]

Doesn't make sense to me bro I see nothing but positive feedback from people regarding olympus labs and believe me i was skeptical of them too... but the fact is sarms CAN cause similar sides to prohormones such as suppression and lethargy, especially Lgd. I can confirm this as my friend actually ran lgd from sarmsx back when they were named pure essence and his bloodwork showed his test had dropped significantly... not total shutdown like steroids but still people need to realize sarms aren't completely side effect free man. So people reporting side effects from sarms doesnt necessarily mean they are running prohormones. Sarms are indeed much safer than anabolics yes, however they still carry with them side effects and that is something everyone needs to understand clearly before expiramenting with them.



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I hope no one ever says SARMS are side effect free around here because they're not. However severe shutdown and estrogenic side effects are not common and should raise suspicion.


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[RickRock]

Doesn't make sense to me bro I see nothing but positive feedback from people regarding olympus labs and believe me i was skeptical of them too... but the fact is sarms CAN cause similar sides to prohormones such as suppression and lethargy, especially Lgd. I can confirm this as my friend actually ran lgd from sarmsx back when they were named pure essence and his bloodwork showed his test had dropped significantly... not total shutdown like steroids but still people need to realize sarms aren't completely side effect free man. So people reporting side effects from sarms doesnt necessarily mean they are running prohormones. Sarms are indeed much safer than anabolics yes, however they still carry with them side effects and that is something everyone needs to understand clearly before expiramenting with them.



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I agree with you on some of those things brother. It's just some things really raise a lot of questions that I can't explain with sarms use, but it's all good. Everybody has their own opinions on things, and that's perfectly fine. I appreciate you giving your feedback and side of things brother

 

[Jimbo]

Doesn't make sense to me bro I see nothing but positive feedback from people regarding olympus labs and believe me i was skeptical of them too... but the fact is sarms CAN cause similar sides to prohormones such as suppression and lethargy, especially Lgd. I can confirm this as my friend actually ran lgd from sarmsx back when they were named pure essence and his bloodwork showed his test had dropped significantly... not total shutdown like steroids but still people need to realize sarms aren't completely side effect free man. So people reporting side effects from sarms doesnt necessarily mean they are running prohormones. Sarms are indeed much safer than anabolics yes, however they still carry with them side effects and that is something everyone needs to understand clearly before expiramenting with them.



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I've never used OL and have seen reports of people attesting to the gains - however I have also seen several people posting blood work on other forums with liver values way out of whack. Not trying to Flame anyone or OL, but that result seems like what would happen when running a prohormone as opposed to a Sarm product, no?

 

[eman]

I've never used OL and have seen reports of people attesting to the gains - however I have also seen several people posting blood work on other forums with liver values way out of whack. Not trying to Flame anyone or OL, but that result seems like what would happen when running a prohormone as opposed to a Sarm product, no?

Not necessarily, my friend who ran real lgd from pure essence for 8 weeks also had his lipids thrown off big time... sarms may be selective but like I said, they still produce sides similar to aas. Hence why they are currently being sold as research chemicals and are still undergoing clinical trials. I encourage you to do a typical lgd/rad140/osta/s4 sarms stack from sarmsx and get your lipids and hormones checked bro I have yet to see anyone do this here... that way you can see for yourself what I'm saying isn't just an assumption but a fact. That being said, I still prefer sarms over gear in terms of the gains/sides ratio.

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[eman]

Lgd has been shown in studies to have an impact on lipids at just 1mg a day. We are taking 10X that amount...

"LGD-4033 administration was associated with dose-dependent suppression of total testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin, high density lipoprotein cholesterol, and triglyceride levels. follicle-stimulating hormone and free testosterone showed significant suppression at 1.0-mg dose only. Lean body mass increased dose dependently, but fat mass did not change significantly. Hormone levels and lipids returned to baseline after treatment discontinuation."

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[Jimbo]

Lgd has been shown in studies to have an impact on lipids at just 1mg a day. We are taking 10X that amount...

"LGD-4033 administration was associated with dose-dependent suppression of total testosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin, high density lipoprotein cholesterol, and triglyceride levels. follicle-stimulating hormone and free testosterone showed significant suppression at 1.0-mg dose only. Lean body mass increased dose dependently, but fat mass did not change significantly. Hormone levels and lipids returned to baseline after treatment discontinuation."

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I am with you here. All androgens suppress T and lipids. I ran a Sarms stack and my HDL and T crashed but I honestly would not have expected anything else based on the research reports and the fact that I was taking multiple times the amounts in those reports - as you pointed out. The good news was that all other bloods were completely normal and my Fsh/LH were normal (although on the low end) so my recovery was easy. This is why I would still prefer a Sarm to an AAS - much better for my goals (and as a lifter approaching 50 years old) to get a modest 5-7lbs of clean gains with an easier recovery / lower risk than 15-20 lbs from an AAS and deal with more potential sides.


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[RickRock]

When it comes to benefit versus risk, sarms will always be a better choice. I think we can all be in agreement there

 

[eman]

Yup definitely sarms are the safer and better option. Love me a nice stack of lgd or osta/s4/mk677 makes for a perfect bridge between cycles

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