asphyxiation training.

[RickRock]

Jason is a little full himself no doubt. But the dude is pretty knowledgeable.

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I've heard some decent stuff from him before, but what bothers me is he really doesn't even look like he lifts. You'd think somebody with that kind of knowledge would be able to apply it to see results. I know he's more or a powerlifter guy, but even the power lifters I know at least have a look to them where you know they can push some weight around

 

[8cartman8]

Well, playing devil's advocate, Bill Belichick is a football mastermind, yet as a player(not even close to the NFL) his accolades remain few if any...so, ya never know, based on physical prowess, as to one's knowledge regarding coaching and/or training...just food for thought..


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[GTFORMULA]

I refuse to watch YouTube videos of guys and telling others how to work out. I learned all on my own and zero help. Unless someone shows me something personally, I don't learn it I guess. Seems to work fine so far lol.

 

[TX TERROR]

Instagram taught me how to lift....
Do you even lift bro?

 

[TexasTrash]

So, along the lines of the initial topic...........I inadvertently did occlusion training today. The short version is that I jacked up both my elbows (one has been been a lingering problem and the other was from my last tri workout) and decided to pull out the old elbow compression sleeves for todays back/bi workout and go lighter weight. Apparently Ive grown quite a bit since I last used those, so they were much more restrictive than before. The lactic acid buildup really did get pretty extreme and my biceps were screaming.....wanted to bust right out of the sleeves. Did it give me a good workout? I dont know.....maybe, maybe not. It did bring the good kind of pump pain tho.

 

[SaladTossingBitch]

Within the crossfit community it's used more frequently with good results.


An as far as the training mask 2.0 as goofy as it looks I have shaved about 18 seconds off my 1000m row and 25 seconds off my 2000m row. In under 3 weeks, it helps you control your breathing under intense situations or workouts. I can see how bodybuilders or powerlifters think this is silly but in the world of crossfit, boxing, mm a & track and field it makes a huge differance.
People pick on me everyday I wear it, I have since learned who bain sp* is too.


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[21infantry]

Within the crossfit community it's used more frequently with good results.


An as far as the training mask 2.0 as goofy as it looks I have shaved about 18 seconds off my 1000m row and 25 seconds off my 2000m row. In under 3 weeks, it helps you control your breathing under intense situations or workouts. I can see how bodybuilders or powerlifters think this is silly but in the world of crossfit, boxing, mm a & track and field it makes a huge differance.
People pick on me everyday I wear it, I have since learned who bain sp* is too.


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Its not the mask, I promise you its not the mask that is assisting your new records or shaving of time. The mask goes against every sound principle of science. Simply put asphyxiation training in itself is nothing more then a croc of BS. Clever marketing and a appetite by a public who craves any edge it can find keeps these kind of fads going. If you want the most complete research and pratical exercise of things as this put to use for competitive advantage the world has the Soviet archives at their disposal. The Soviet Union spent billions and billions on such research to propel there athletes to world wide domaniace. There papers are simple and straight to the point, asphyxiation training does not offer any competitive advantage and hinders long term performance. Later American research confirms this. So you thinking a 70 dollar mask is going to help?

 

[SaladTossingBitch]

Its not the mask, I promise you its not the mask that is assisting your new records or shaving of time. The mask goes against every sound principle of science. Simply put asphyxiation training in itself is nothing more then a croc of BS. Clever marketing and a appetite by a public who craves any edge it can find keeps these kind of fads going. If you want the most complete research and pratical exercise of things as this put to use for competitive advantage the world has the Soviet archives at their disposal. The Soviet Union spent billions and billions on such research to propel there athletes to world wide domaniace. There papers are simple and straight to the point, asphyxiation training does not offer any competitive advantage and hinders long term performance. Later American research confirms this. So you thinking a 70 dollar mask is going to help?

So basically what you're telling me is that because I'm able to control my breathing better and does not help me in the work out?

Can you explain why a lot of fighters and go up to train at higher elevation?

And you're also saying that strengthening all the muscles that you use to breathe like your diaphragm and your intercostals it does not help at all?

I guess everyone responds differently to different styles of training then right? I feel that it works so I will continue to use it along with hundreds of collegiate and NFL players.

I'm not here to argue I'm just here to state what it's done for me.

I do know that I just got back from a week and a half ski trip in Colorado also and whenever I got back home it felt like it was ten times easier to breathe. Same concept.

Also asphyxiation mean to die from lack of oxygen I don't think that's what the mask does the mask just restricts the air flow in and out making it more difficult for you to breathe it doesn't necessarily cut off your air supply. So basically what I gather from things that I've watched and my experience is that it strengthens all the muscles in your body that it takes to breathe in and out. I would also assume that you can get the same results from breathing exercises.

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[RickRock]

I've seen one that is literally designed after Banes mask lmao...

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That would actually be kinda cool.....but for halloween or something. Not in the gym lol

 

[RickRock]

Well, playing devil's advocate, Bill Belichick is a football mastermind, yet as a player(not even close to the NFL) his accolades remain few if any...so, ya never know, based on physical prowess, as to one's knowledge regarding coaching and/or training...just food for thought..


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I won't even get into what I think about Belichick

 

[RickRock]

And guys lets not get into a pissing match about whether certain training methods work or not. Everyone has different principles they follow and different ways they like to train. We are all different and share different goals and different ideas of how to get there. If it works for you, then great! Keep doing what you're doing, but don't knock somebody else because they don't do what you're doing, and don't tell anyone that their methods are bullshit. If you want to share opinions on a subject that is fine, but please respect each other and do not discredit others for following principles you don't agree with. Different strokes for different folks

 

[MaxxPursuit]

That would actually be kinda cool.....but for halloween or something. Not in the gym lol

I was thinking what is "happy day" lmao. But yea for halloween, cool. I actually saw a guy with a Darth Vader elevation mask in the gym a few months ago, he was doing cardio and breathing heavy. I couldn't help but laugh to myself lol.


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[21infantry]

And guys lets not get into a pissing match about whether certain training methods work or not. Everyone has different principles they follow and different ways they like to train. We are all different and share different goals and different ideas of how to get there. If it works for you, then great! Keep doing what you're doing, but don't knock somebody else because they don't do what you're doing, and don't tell anyone that their methods are bullshit. If you want to share opinions on a subject that is fine, but please respect each other and do not discredit others for following principles you don't agree with. Different strokes for different folks

Rick I believe that the original post was what are your thoughts on the matter and do you think it was BS? Well I presented my case, as you know I always come from a Scientific side of things. I truly believe that the only truth in life is Science and numbers. Through that I presented my case, I wish everything was as simple as believe it to work. But I cant support scams, and that is what these people are scam artist IE thieves IMO.

So basically what you're telling me is that because I'm able to control my breathing better and does not help me in the work out?

Can you explain why a lot of fighters and go up to train at higher elevation?

And you're also saying that strengthening all the muscles that you use to breathe like your diaphragm and your intercostals it does not help at all?

I guess everyone responds differently to different styles of training then right? I feel that it works so I will continue to use it along with hundreds of collegiate and NFL players.

I'm not here to argue I'm just here to state what it's done for me.

I do know that I just got back from a week and a half ski trip in Colorado also and whenever I got back home it felt like it was ten times easier to breathe. Same concept.

Also asphyxiation mean to die from lack of oxygen I don't think that's what the mask does the mask just restricts the air flow in and out making it more difficult for you to breathe it doesn't necessarily cut off your air supply. So basically what I gather from things that I've watched and my experience is that it strengthens all the muscles in your body that it takes to breathe in and out. I would also assume that you can get the same results from breathing exercises.

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If you are coming at it through a perspective of breathing control and it works for you then by all means carry on, it might have merit in that regard. But for it to mimic high altitude training its Scienifically impossible that it can do that. In regards of High altitude training and its effectiveness, lets put it this way most trainers and coaches that are at the top of their profession think its at best good for only certain scenarios.

 

[SaladTossingBitch]

Rick I believe that the original post was what are your thoughts on the matter and do you think it was BS? Well I presented my case, as you know I always come from a Scientific side of things. I truly believe that the only truth in life is Science and numbers. Through that I presented my case, I wish everything was as simple as believe it to work. But I cant support scams, and that is what these people are scam artist IE thieves IMO.


If you are coming at it through a perspective of breathing control and it works for you then by all means carry on, it might have merit in that regard. But for it to mimic high altitude training its Scienifically impossible that it can do that. In regards of High altitude training and its effectiveness, lets put it this way most trainers and coaches that are at the top of their profession think its at best good for only certain scenarios.

Here are some things mentioned from the site.....

**There are many breathing devices and respiratory trainers used by hundreds of elite athletes for sports performance and by other users for health and fitness. Some of these devices are invented to increase strength of the respiratory muscles. Numerous clinical trials have found that these devices can increase endurance and VO2max (maximum oxygen absorption during most intensive exercise), improve lung function tests (VEF, PEF, FVC, and VEmax), lower heart rate for the same load, reduce medication (drugs) and symptoms, improve quality of life scores and lead to other beneficial health effects.

**Furthermore, with correct applications, breathing devices can increase body oxygen levels and produce profound effects on long term endurance, VO2max, duration of recovery from injuries and intensive training, together with life quality effects related to sleep, energy level and digestion. This review is focused on these oxygen-related effects of various breathing techniques.

Elevation Training Mask mimics the effects of High Altitude Training. When elite athletes want to improve their performance they go to high altitude levels to train. When they come back to sea level they perform much stronger, faster, and have increased endurance. The Elevation Training Mask 2.0 is the ultimate respiratory training device for breathing and controlling the flow of air delivered in to your body. Our Multi level resistance system creates a Resisted air flow through flux valves into the Training Mask 2.0.When your body adapts to the resistance of Training Mask 2.0 your lungs will be trained to take deep beaths that use oxygen more efficiently.

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[21infantry]

Here are some things mentioned from the site.....

**There are many breathing devices and respiratory trainers used by hundreds of elite athletes for sports performance and by other users for health and fitness. Some of these devices are invented to increase strength of the respiratory muscles. Numerous clinical trials have found that these devices can increase endurance and VO2max (maximum oxygen absorption during most intensive exercise), improve lung function tests (VEF, PEF, FVC, and VEmax), lower heart rate for the same load, reduce medication (drugs) and symptoms, improve quality of life scores and lead to other beneficial health effects.

**Furthermore, with correct applications, breathing devices can increase body oxygen levels and produce profound effects on long term endurance, VO2max, duration of recovery from injuries and intensive training, together with life quality effects related to sleep, energy level and digestion. This review is focused on these oxygen-related effects of various breathing techniques.

Elevation Training Mask mimics the effects of High Altitude Training. When elite athletes want to improve their performance they go to high altitude levels to train. When they come back to sea level they perform much stronger, faster, and have increased endurance. The Elevation Training Mask 2.0 is the ultimate respiratory training device for breathing and controlling the flow of air delivered in to your body. Our Multi level resistance system creates a Resisted air flow through flux valves into the Training Mask 2.0.When your body adapts to the resistance of Training Mask 2.0 your lungs will be trained to take deep beaths that use oxygen more efficiently.

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What site it this? If this is from anybody that is affiliated or had paid research on their behalf its null and void. They have a vested intrest in the outcome of said study. Studies done by countries such as the old Soviet Union are much more reliable and respected, for all they cared about is winning and domincance and had no vested or economical intrest of the outcome of such study, they just wanted to win no matter the method.

 

[SaladTossingBitch]

What site it this? If this is from anybody that is affiliated or had paid research on their behalf its null and void. They have a vested intrest in the outcome of said study. Studies done by countries such as the old Soviet Union are much more reliable and respected, for all they cared about is winning and domincance and had no vested or economical intrest of the outcome of such study, they just wanted to win no matter the method.

Well post some info.

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[21infantry]

Well post some info.

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Do you read Russian? More then happy to post links. Ill be more then happy to provide links to Western nations studies that do have credibility. Just a snipit from US Olympics

You have probably seen an advert, or discussion, about those mask-based altitude systems where hypoxic air is breathed at rest for 5-minute intervals, and no doubt you were curious about their effectiveness. Well, so were the US Olympic Association and the major researchers in the field of altitude training and human performance.

Finding that there had been no reliable independent research, a study was performed in Palo Alto, California.

The conclusion of this study (abstract) was that even 4 weeks of treatments, 5 days a week, 70 minutes per session, was "insufficient to elicit improved performance or change the normal level of erythropoiesis in highly trained runners"

The list of authors of this study read like a "who's who" of altitude training research, and consequently this is now considered the definitive study on the subject.

These devices may be relatively inexpensive (and have significant ongoing costs), but to have to spend an hour a day, every day, doing something that doesn't work...well that's not something a serious athlete can afford to be doing.

Despite the inconvenience, and increased fatigue this acute method causes (compared with merely sleeping at altitude. The research does not support its effectiveness as a method for improving performance

Also the inventor of the Mask was yours truly the founder of Balco. Mr Fraudster himself that would come out with several products that where backed by sound research that of course was paid for Balco themselves. As we found out latter most of his products effectiveness was due to them being giving AAS and other Doping agents.

 

[RickRock]

Rick I believe that the original post was what are your thoughts on the matter and do you think it was BS? Well I presented my case, as you know I always come from a Scientific side of things. I truly believe that the only truth in life is Science and numbers. Through that I presented my case, I wish everything was as simple as believe it to work. But I cant support scams, and that is what these people are scam artist IE thieves IMO.


If you are coming at it through a perspective of breathing control and it works for you then by all means carry on, it might have merit in that regard. But for it to mimic high altitude training its Scienifically impossible that it can do that. In regards of High altitude training and its effectiveness, lets put it this way most trainers and coaches that are at the top of their profession think its at best good for only certain scenarios.

I understand bro. Let's just keep things respectable is all I'm asking. I will be monitoring this thread, and I just want everyone to respect each other's opinion.

I know you are more of a science guy, which is almost the complete opposite of my approach. I'm a real world guy that bases things on experience and results and always have been. That doesn't make either one of us right or wrong. There are people on both sides of the equation everywhere. Like I said, whatever floats your boat.


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[21infantry]

I understand bro. Let's just keep things respectable is all I'm asking. I will be monitoring this thread, and I just want everyone to respect each other's opinion.

I know you are more of a science guy, which is almost the complete opposite of my approach. I'm a real world guy that bases things on experience and results and always have been. That doesn't make either one of us right or wrong. There are people on both sides of the equation everywhere. Like I said, whatever floats your boat.

(PM me for a price list for Biotech Labs and 10% discount)

Ive learned over the last few months not to even get in pissing matches with things that I don't agree with. But anything that was originally from Balco is free game in my book. That company would come up with products run research data to support it and only find out it was AAS or something else that made it work. The mask are Balco crowing achievement, participants where on GW and Aircar or some crap like that, no shit they had great numbers,

To me its like having a argument about if Insert Porn Stars name here, tits are real. In a tangible sense they are. But it took a whole lot silicon to get those measurements baby.

 

[8cartman8]

I'm wearing the mask EVERYWHERE!


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