2nd Cycle Critique needed (Test C only)

[WasteMon]

Age: 27
Height: 5,10
Weight: 190
Body fat %: 15%
Years of training: 10 years

Complete cycle history: 1 cycle 4 years ago; Test C at 500mg HCG & Arimidex pct, Nolva
PCT for each cycle: ^^

Goals: Getting into what ill call fitness competition for lack of better words. Doing Hiit and/or Tabata workouts 3-4 times a week is taking a lot out of me. I generally do Push, Pull, Lower split along with my endurance training (lower lifts not as intense as my Hiit Tabata are enough to keep my legs in a constant state of recovery. ;;; So to state my goals more clearly, id like to increase my recovery and do the classic; gain some strength and lean out a bit. Not looking to stack on any significant weight.

Caloric Intake: C: 300 P: 225 F: 90

Cycle: (wk) (name) (amount)
1-12 Test C 300-350mg -------- (going lower than 500mg because my last cycle i responded really well to 500 and blew up, dont need to "blow-up" this go around)
1-14 Arimidex .25 EOD ----- (last Cylcle i used Adex and it worked great so dont fix whats not broken, why im not going aromasin)
2-12 HCG 250iu x2wk ------ (It seems in this forum the general consensus is runn it no more than 4 weeks and at/ or around 500iu x2wk. I did the aforementioned protocol last time and it seemed to work. would enjoy more input here)

PCT: ( Im looking at three different options here, input would be greatly appreciated )
1.) weeks: 14-18
nolva 40/40/20/20
clomid 75/50/50/50

2.) Week: 14 maybe 15
Triptorelin: 100mcg (1 inject)

3.) Week: 14 maybe 15
Triptorelin: 100mcg (1 inject)
Week 14-18 Nolva 40/40/20/20

I appreciate any information or insight from you great members of this forum. If any required information is missing or you have questions, please ask.
thank you

 

[DylanGemelli]

way too long to be using hcg...

1-12 test cyp 350 mg week
1-14 aromasin 12.5 mg eod
11-14 dga post ct https://www.dganutrition.com/product/post-ct/


pct 15-18


when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.





clomid 50/50/50/25//25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[WasteMon]

Thanks for the reply Dylan,

The last time i did 2-12 HCG 250iu x2wk on cycle i had 0 atrophy. why im hesitant to switch to a higher/shorter protocol. arguments for both sides will be appreciated though.
As for the addition of sarms to the mix, personally id just like to keep this cycle simple. Not saying they do not work in the cases you described but i'd rather save that addition for another time.
Im also going adex over aromasin as adex worked great last time but dosage will be interesting point as low estrogen is counter productive to cardiovascular gains ( so ill be starting as low as possible if not at all with such a low test c level)

So ive got nolva and clomid on hand because im trying to be as responsible as possible here but i did just fine last cycle using just nolva. Ive heard about Triptorelin through friends that just used the one shot as there only pct others said they add nolva and said they had great results. Super curious as to other peoples opinions on triptorelin it with a lower dose of test. (i am scouring the internet for as much reading content on it as well).

 

[DylanGemelli]

run whatever you want dude

 

[mastermolnar]

Thanks for the reply Dylan,

The last time i did 2-12 HCG 250iu x2wk on cycle i had 0 atrophy. why im hesitant to switch to a higher/shorter protocol. arguments for both sides will be appreciated though.
As for the addition of sarms to the mix, personally id just like to keep this cycle simple. Not saying they do not work in the cases you described but i'd rather save that addition for another time.
Im also going adex over aromasin as adex worked great last time but dosage will be interesting point as low estrogen is counter productive to cardiovascular gains ( so ill be starting as low as possible if not at all with such a low test c level)

So ive got nolva and clomid on hand because im trying to be as responsible as possible here but i did just fine last cycle using just nolva. Ive heard about Triptorelin through friends that just used the one shot as there only pct others said they add nolva and said they had great results. Super curious as to other peoples opinions on triptorelin it with a lower dose of test. (i am scouring the internet for as much reading content on it as well).

I don’t have any experience with triptorelin but I think you may be overthinking the cycle. Firstly I don’t really even see a need for hcg at all. That’s just my personal opinion and I’ve never needed it but if you wanna use it then by all means do it however you found it to work. I know that’s not how I’d recommend doing it.

And the other point is I don’t see any need to complicate a pct for such a basic cycle. The shut down will be there surely but I reallly don’t think you need to stray away from the tried and true nolva/clomid protocol. I’d stick with what works. That’s just my take on it. Otherwise enjoy and keep us all posted