High Estrogen/Low Libido -- New Member

[CLO3]

Good Afternoon!

New to Sarms, this site, and some of the terminology. Thank you in advance for your patients and comments.

Age: 45
Sex: Male
Height: 6’1”
Weight: 220#
Body Fat: 23.1
BMI: 28.9
Years Training: 8
Cycle History: none
Goals: Lean gains; increase libido, lower estrogen.
Supplements: Currently .375cc Test Cyp eod as prescribed.
Nutrition: Lean meats. No soda. Minimal to no sweets. Occasional beer. No Allergies.
Other:
Hip replacement due to accident, 1996
Vasectomy, 2010
Issue: Low libido, high estrogen.

Medical History:
Low test levels discovered early 2015. Total test at that time: 351; Free Test: 90.3; Estradiol: 30.1
Given Test Cyp to supplement.
Over the years, have been juggling the dosage as per instructions to try and stabilize the test and estrogen levels.
I was asked to take Chrysin to help hold the estrogen levels down.
Started Chrysin at 500mg, then 1,000mg...wasn’t helping. Libido was down; cialis was prescribed;
now at 1500mg Chrysin — not helping.
Most Recent:
03/31/17: Total Testosterone: 1145.6; Free Test: 29.0; Estradiol: 45.0
(after this result, instructed to lower my dose by 1/2, to 1cc/week, at .25cc/eod)
05/12/17: Total test: 865.3; Free: 27.3; Est.56.8
(after this result, instructed to ad .125cc, to .375cc/eod)
07/11/17: Total test: 1221.3; Free: 29.2; Est. 62.6
(current at .375cc/eod; 1500mg Chrysin)

That being said, after looking at isarms.com I ordered the following:
1 x LiquiAro
1 x Triple X Stack 25mgs Via/25mgs cia/10mgs varden
1 x Ostarine (MK-2866)
1 x GW-501516 (Cardarine)

I am also looking into Proviron.

What sarms dosing is recommended for the above, and with or without my current test cyp?
I’m looking to get my BMI down before adding other supplements, unless any are recommend at this point.

Thank you for your time.

 

[RickRock]

What dose of test are you on for TRT? Aromasin will help you get your estrogen down. Chrysin isn't worth shit bro. Start at 7.5mg EOD on the Aromasin

Triple X dose start at 0.5ml and work up to 1ml where the sweet spot is.

Here is your dosing for the sarms. You want to run those 12 weeks and you can start them any time you like with your TRT

1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 Mk-2866 25mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

 

[CLO3]

What dose of test are you on for TRT? Aromasin will help you get your estrogen down. Chrysin isn't worth shit bro. Start at 7.5mg EOD on the Aromasin

Triple X dose start at 0.5ml and work up to 1ml where the sweet spot is.

Here is your dosing for the sarms. You want to run those 12 weeks and you can start them any time you like with your TRT

1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
1-12 Mk-2866 25mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.

Agreed -- the Chrysin isn't shit.

Currently TRT is at .375cc/eod. Should this also be dosed prior to work out, or does it matter?

Is there a minimum time period between GW doses? Taking 30min prior to work out tonight, and if tomorrow is an off day, dose that morning. (a 12-14hr timespan)

Thoughts on adding proviron?

Thank you RickRock for your detailed reply.


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[jp1957]

You realize that with test at 1145, you are way too high for trt, and almost on the verge on a blast.

With that high of test, that high of body fat, you will have estrogen issues, as well as some potential long term health issues with running so high of test.

 

[Shunka Witko]

If the test is 200mg/ ml then that is 150 mg EOD. That's not TRT that's a cycle. My TRT is that dosage a week. That's a lot of test to convert into estrogen without the proper support. I had the same problem until I lowered my test and dialed in my bloodwork and added an AI. I also lowered my BF% to 13%. I only need my AI once a week now instead of E3D. AND...my libido is through the roof!! Girlfriend doesn't seem to mind! LOL

 

[DylanGemelli]

Agreed -- the Chrysin isn't shit.

Currently TRT is at .375cc/eod. Should this also be dosed prior to work out, or does it matter?

Is there a minimum time period between GW doses? Taking 30min prior to work out tonight, and if tomorrow is an off day, dose that morning. (a 12-14hr timespan)

Thoughts on adding proviron?

Thank you RickRock for your detailed reply.


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i run proviron with everything i do, so yes, you can add it... with gw, just keep the doses consistently 24 hours apart..

 

[CLO3]

If the test is 200mg/ ml then that is 150 mg EOD. That's not TRT that's a cycle. My TRT is that dosage a week. That's a lot of test to convert into estrogen without the proper support. I had the same problem until I lowered my test and dialed in my bloodwork and added an AI. I also lowered my BF% to 13%. I only need my AI once a week now instead of E3D. AND...my libido is through the roof!! Girlfriend doesn't seem to mind! LOL

Hi Shunka;

Test Cyp 200mg/ml, however, dosing is currently .375cc/.375ml eod, so that comes in at 1.5ml/week, 300mg/week, if my math is correct.

With my current test level at 1221.4/29.2 free as of 7/11/17, I have considered dialing back because of my estrogen spiking to 62.6 currently.

Or, should I continue with the .375eod and start my AI/MK/GW stack arriving today?

13%+libido -- congrats. That's my goal.

Thank you!


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[jp1957]

300mg is not a trt, thats a blast. And with your BF, thats gonna be a major estrogen issue.

The highest end trt is 200mg weekly. A good trt doc will target 800, not 1100-1200. You cant run at that high a level with out developing long term health issues.

You need to seriously re-examine what you are doing here.

 

[DylanGemelli]

300mg is not a trt, thats a blast. And with your BF, thats gonna be a major estrogen issue.

The highest end trt is 200mg weekly. A good trt doc will target 800, not 1100-1200. You cant run at that high a level with out developing long term health issues.

You need to seriously re-examine what you are doing here.

exactly! anything OVER 200 mg per week IS NOT trt anymore, its being ON cycle...

 

[CLO3]

Hi JP. Thank you for your reply.

I'm following Dr.'s orders. My body was telling me shit wasn't going right so I started researching on my own while I await an appointment with a new Dr.

My re-examining is what led me here. My initial experience with Test was to only elevate my 350ng/dl test levels first discovered in early 2015. All this is new and I'm not intentionally running high. I do feel the increase of estrogen side effects, mostly water weight gain and low libido, and it escalates as my body fat increases.

Is it a good idea to stop dosing totally at this point and only run my SARMS stack? Or would you recommend I dial back the tct to ___?___mg/weekly, eod, or 2x week?

Thank you!


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[DylanGemelli]

dial back to 125 mg per week for trt.. thats all you need and you can run sarms right along side it...

 

[CLO3]

dial back to 125 mg per week for trt.. thats all you need and you can run sarms right along side it...

Sounds great.
Thank you Dylan!


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[jp1957]

never ever blindly follow a dr's orders, especially when regarding TRT. Most DR's dont have a clue.

 

[CLO3]

never ever blindly follow a dr's orders, especially when regarding TRT. Most DR's dont have a clue.

No doubt.
"Practicing" medicine...

Truly grateful for this community!


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[RickRock]

You defnitely need to get that TRT dose adjusted to where you are in the normal range, and not in the superphysiological range

 

[DylanGemelli]

Sounds great.
Thank you Dylan!


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you are welcome brother, im happy to help... if you need help with a sarms stack with trt, let me know

 

[Shunka Witko]

Hi Shunka;

Test Cyp 200mg/ml, however, dosing is currently .375cc/.375ml eod, so that comes in at 1.5ml/week, 300mg/week, if my math is correct.

With my current test level at 1221.4/29.2 free as of 7/11/17, I have considered dialing back because of my estrogen spiking to 62.6 currently.

Or, should I continue with the .375eod and start my AI/MK/GW stack arriving today?

13%+libido -- congrats. That's my goal.

Thank you!


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Just to reiterate what everyone else has said, dial it back to 125-200 a week. Personally, I do best at 150mg/week. Listen to your body. For instance, I can tell when my estrogen is out of whack when I get a pain in my arm. Also, if you don't buy another SARM, at least get GW!! It will make a huge difference!!! Get that body fat down and you will get the estrogen conversion down.

 

[CLO3]

you are welcome brother, im happy to help... if you need help with a sarms stack with trt, let me know

Much appreciated Dylan.
Today I received
1x LiquiAro
1x GW501516
1x MK2866
1x TripleX Stack

Earlier today, RickRock was kind enough to suggest:
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--Start at 7.5mg EOD on the Aromasin
--Triple X dose start at 0.5ml and work up to 1ml where the sweet spot is.
--Here is your dosing for the sarms. You want to run those 12 weeks and you can start them any time you like with your TRT
• 1-12 GW-510516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day… dosed all at once 30 minutes before workout…
• 1-12 Mk-2866 25mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
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I am planning on starting the stack tomorrow morning along with the 150mg/week trt you suggested. Please let me know if any adjustment is needed.

For the trt, will 75mg Monday evenings and 75mg Friday mornings be sufficient, or is 150mg 1x/week better?
On the TripleX, how often is the dose?
For the Proviron, what's the recommend dosing for that?

Thanks again for taking the time to answer so many questions!



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[RickRock]

Your split dosing for the test is fine

Proviron run 50mg per day

Triple x you use 30-45 minutes before activity or pre workout. You do not need to dose it daily unless you are using it for either bedroom or workout

 

[CLO3]

Your split dosing for the test is fine

Proviron run 50mg per day

Triple x you use 30-45 minutes before activity or pre workout. You do not need to dose it daily unless you are using it for either bedroom or workout

Thanks RickRock!
TripleX, is there a maximum daily/24hrs -- ok for pre-workout and bedroom later?

The original Aromasin dose of 7.5mg eod I'm assuming you meant .75mg eod, correct?


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