Estradiol Question

[PolkyMon]

47
6'1"
210lbs
17% BF
On TRT, 1ML per week. Test Cyp

Just had bloodwork again and my test now is 664 instead of 213.

Estradiol is 30.8.

I pin every Wednesday, take an AI on Thursday and Saturday, and the Doc wants me to add another AI on Monday.

He says my Estradiol is on the high normal range and they are concerned.

I don't have any symptoms, other than a tiny bit of acne on my arms, but they have always been trouble spots for me, I.e - oily areas.

I know everyone is different, and so this question might not really be answerable by any of you, but trying to gauge how high 30.8 is I. The grand scheme.

I feel great, no real sides that know of, etc.

Thanks!




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[RedMorkai]

A typical number people often like, at least in trt community, is 20-30. I have even read some like it better in lower 30's even. I've been personally trying to aim for mid-upper 20's on cycle.

 

[PolkyMon]

Thanks Red.

Is there such thing as an absorption rate?

Meaning, if I split the 1ML up into 2 pins a week of 1/2ML if my body would absorb more instead?




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[RedMorkai]

Wait, he wants to add a 2nd kind of AI to your already existing? What exactly is he proposing?

Curious to how many days after the blood was drawn after last pin?

 

[PolkyMon]

No. He's simply wanting me to add a 3rd day that I take a red pill. Instead of Thursday and Saturday, he now wants thurs, sat and Monday. Taking 3 AI pills a week instead of the 2 I had been taking the past 20 weeks


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[RedMorkai]

No. He's simply wanting me to add a 3rd day that I take a red pill. Instead of Thursday and Saturday, he now wants thurs, sat and Monday. Taking 3 AI pills a week instead of the 2 I had been taking the past 20 weeks


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oh okay. That makes sense to me in that case. I've had my e2 mid 40's while on cycle as well as mid teens, I did have a little more water weight at the higher but as far as well-being I honestly couldn't tell a difference. But I had several other factors in there with what I was taking for compounds.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

taking an AI only on thursday and saturday? strange. ive never seen anyone take it twice a week then stop for the rest of the week. what are you taking exactly? arimidex? i would definitely recommend aromasin over arimidex if youre in fact taking adex. i would be taking the AI all week, every other day or sometimes every day depending on the dosage.

your test seems kind of low assuming your taking 200mg a week. but maybe that could explain your slightly elevated estrogen.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

thats how it should be but it should be rotating a day every week. for example. if you do thur sat mond then its WED FRI SUN TUE then back to THUR SAT MON. if you are having problems with estrogen i wouldnt want to be skipping days of AI, because you do thurs satu mond which is every other day but then you go 3 days instead of 2. that doesnt make much sense for the doctor to prescribe that. its inconsitent and if youre taking Adex that would be crappy since you were initially do thur sat then going 5 days with no AI, its illogical

 

[cbbram00]

Pinning twice a week can help with estrogen. It won't lower it but it can keep it from getting that high in the first place. Get your estrogen under control and try splitting your injections.

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[SpikedEggnog]

Thanks Red.

Is there such thing as an absorption rate?

Meaning, if I split the 1ML up into 2 pins a week of 1/2ML if my body would absorb more instead?




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no but what you are referring to can possibly help with more stable blood levels of TEST. but since you are on TEST CYP its not really necessary. i would do twice a week on enanthate but on Cypionate its 7 day ester so once a week is perfectly fine. but if you want you can try twice a week. i have heard some people who do this and say it helps them feel better. give it a try. since you already inject WED, you can inject WED night and Sun morning. or WED morning and SAT afternoon.

 

[RedMorkai]

thats how it should be but it should be rotating a day every week. for example. if you do thur sat mond then its WED FRI SUN TUE then back to THUR SAT MON. if you are having problems with estrogen i wouldnt want to be skipping days of AI, because you do thurs satu mond which is every other day but then you go 3 days instead of 2. that doesnt make much sense for the doctor to prescribe that. its inconsitent and if youre taking Adex that would be crappy since you were initially do thur sat then going 5 days with no AI, its illogical

The only thing I can think of is timing with the weekly test injection. Still I think probably better options for more consistent levels.

 

[PolkyMon]

I'm taking Anastrazole. I don't really know that I am having an issue with estrogen. That's why I am asking. I have been following the protocol the Dr. Said to, which is Thursday and Saturday originally, and now Monday added. I am no expert and I assume a Dr. knows what he's talking about, but the more I read maybe not so much.


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[RedMorkai]

Thanks Red.

Is there such thing as an absorption rate?

Meaning, if I split the 1ML up into 2 pins a week of 1/2ML if my body would absorb more instead?




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The splitting won't effect how much is absorbed, there is some minor absorption rate differences between injection sites, but probably to minor to really worry about.

I agree with spikedeggnog, likely the weekly injection is fine. I noticed maybe a slight dip the day before and the morning of injection so I did decide to change my to e5d instead of weekly, but a lot seem to feel fine with the weekly. I'd base that on how you feel and how much you mind injections.

 

[PolkyMon]

Alright. Thanks for all the feedback and information.


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[RedMorkai]

I'm taking Anastrazole. I don't really know that I am having an issue with estrogen. That's why I am asking. I have been following the protocol the Dr. Said to, which is Thursday and Saturday originally, and now Monday added. I am no expert and I assume a Dr. knows what he's talking about, but the more I read maybe not so much.


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We can't assume to know what the doctor is thinking. Anastrazole is arimidex, which is really typical for trt patients in the US as aroma is just more costly. You could ask him his thoughts on aroma, but the cost differences and insurance could factor in and lot seem to get denied. Aroma is supposed to be better on your cholesterol so could use that as an arguing point if you wanted to press it. For now I'd personally follow what the doctor is doing, do you have another blood coming up in 4-8 weeks? Is this your GP or did you go to a specialist like a urologist or endo?

 

[PolkyMon]

I actually do have the full blood panel again coming up in about 4-6 week. He's a specialist, urologist. Not GP.


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[RedMorkai]

I actually do have the full blood panel again coming up in about 4-6 week. He's a specialist, urologist. Not GP.


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Ya I'd follow his advice bro. You can run things by us and if we notice anything weird we can speak up. Good luck bro.

 

[PolkyMon]

Thanks a lot. I was just looking for other data points. It's just been on my mind since he brought it up. I'd hate to get any symptoms, as much I would hate going to prison.


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[SpikedEggnog]

The splitting won't effect how much is absorbed, there is some minor absorption rate differences between injection sites, but probably to minor to really worry about.

I agree with spikedeggnog, likely the weekly injection is fine. I noticed maybe a slight dip the day before and the morning of injection so I did decide to change my to e5d instead of weekly, but a lot seem to feel fine with the weekly. I'd base that on how you feel and how much you mind injections.

i would actually prefer every 5 or 6 day. BUT i am too lazy to keep up with the changing days lol.

 

[SpikedEggnog]

I'm taking Anastrazole. I don't really know that I am having an issue with estrogen. That's why I am asking. I have been following the protocol the Dr. Said to, which is Thursday and Saturday originally, and now Monday added. I am no expert and I assume a Dr. knows what he's talking about, but the more I read maybe not so much.


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i figured he had you on ADEX. thats common practice for TRT doctors. my doc put me on the same stuff. they now aromasin is superior but like red said its more expensive and they have to go through insurance and protocols and all this jazz. so the industry standard is ADEX. honestly bro doctor is just a title, he is supposed to be specialized in that field., which he is. but he is human. he doesnt know everything and he makes mistakes. i know alot of doctors are actually rather stupid and uneducated, or should i say misinformed? either way i would just trust someone because they are a "doctor". this is your body not his. with that being said, i would talk to him about aromasin and if you can get that or not. if you cant then just use arimidex still but also ask him why you only take arimidex thur and sat? tell him since the half life is 50 hours why do you go from saturday to thursday with no dosage? (thats 96 hours roughly) now he is adding an extra day because your Estro is a little elevated. which is a no brainer because you go 4-5 days with no AI lol. and also since adex doesnt kill estro it only inhibits or blocks it, that gives a little wiggle room for some estro rebound spikes. your estro lowers then spikes then lowers then spikes, i think that is whats happening. also keep in mind that you are not necessarily having an issue with estrogen. its still "normal" by industry standards BUT on the hign end of normal. so this may become an issue, depends on the person.